Miami Heat Regular Season Thread 21-22 Vol. 3

[3ballbomber]

Beal is meh and would be a lateral move unless we could get him for like Duncan and picks

As much as I no longer want to waste my time w/ Beal or think he deserves to play for us after knocking us back numerous times in the past...evidenly having no real desire or interest for Miami.....Duncan/picks for Beal I wld do. But that mother f*cker better ball out!

[Heat_Down_Under]

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[Hallstar]

For everyone who wants to blow it up and build around Bam and Herro... where are you going to get that playoff superstar to carry your team? If you're saying Bam or Herro I'd say 1. You're wrong and 2. You already have them. Bam is in season 5 and his offensive game hasn't moved much other then being more consistent from the midrange which comes though normal practice of shooting and just wait to see how effective Herro is when he's the guy other teams are trying to shut down.

To get the superstar you need to help carry you to a finals you need to either get a top pick in the draft or get very lucky in the draft with a midrange 1st round pick, get a superstar to sign or force their way to Miami or.... TRADE FOR HIM. What do you trade... well if the formula for a title is 2-3 superstars then everything should be on the table. Remember when CP3 was available, should have traded for him, when Harden was available, EVERYTHING should have been available, need picks to trade, BROOKLYN TRADED J.ALLEN FOR A LATE 1ST ROUND PICK TO MAKE IT HAPPEN when they had nobody to replace him.

If Miami gets bounced without quality play EVERYTHING HAS TO BE ON THE TABLE to get a superstar. The FO has to have a list of players to throw everything at who they feel are superstars that can carry a team in the playoffs and do whatever it takes to get them. Butler is not a #1 that can carry a team to a title, he's probably an acceptable #2 if you have a scoring star as your #1 but his @$$ should be moved in a package to get a superstar(and I only came to this board because of Butler, nice board overall though).

So is it build a team or acquire stars and put role-players around them. Miami is pretty good about finding role-players.

If we fail Butler is the 1st to go not Herro or Bam. I'd move him for some movable contracts and a pick or two. And as you said if a superstar becomes available then anyone is on the block. In the meantime you continue to develop Herro and Bam.
But we can't look to build around Butler's timeline. He isn't good for the franchise to plan everything around him. And considering the amount of money he's owed you have to factor whether his contract will hinder flexibility going foward. If you look at his game and his age, that contract in a season or 2 could be untradeable

The team isn't being built around Butler, if it had been Herro would have been gone already and Miami wouldn't have gone cheap at PF letting Crowder go(who challenged Butler) and adding a 7 million 36 year old PF with 2-way SG/SF being his backup for most of the season, seems quite the opposite of building around an older player.

This team isn't built around Butler or Bam offensively, it's actually built around the shooters, it's why Bam doesn't look at the basket
when he has the ball, it's why Butler passes out to the 3pt line instead of getting a layup and it may actually be part of the problem of Butler actually finishing easy baskets because he's now conditioned to looking for someone to pass to. Defensively the team is built around Bam and his ability to play center and switch onto 1-5.

Miami isn't going to get anything great for Butler, you might get an overpaid player like Wall, Westbrook, maybe NY will package Randall and other salary for Butler but it's not going to get Miami any closer to a title, Bam MAY bring something highly useful and honestly I'd consider it and go cheap at center with Yurtseven and another younger then Dedmon 7 footer who has solid skills for a backup.

I'm not sure what will be available out there this summer but if this team doesn't look good enough a big change is coming... and if Butler is moved and you don't get a star you might be looking at a long time of being mediocre with Riley highly likely calling it quits in the next few years (he's 77 now). I don't think the Miami fans appreciate how good they've had it under Riley and Spoelstra, Chicago moved Butler 6 years ago for a new direction and just now adding older vets have they finally made any noise during a season.

If Miami can find a real #1 option, they can be a threat with Butler as their #2 option and the chaos he can create on the defensive end playing passing lanes and surprise double teams. There's a reason he's by far the best ORTG-DRTG player on this roster, just get someone to take the ball out of his hands in the playoffs and no I don't think Herro is that player although he'll be a good scorer for his career.

It's not so easy to get a #1, Miami's been looking for a #1 for 6-7 years now and had to settle on Butler to try to get to where they wanted to go.

lol, BUtler getting 50 mil in a couple years and the team isn't built around him? Somebody better let them know that. I think what you actually mean is that a team can't be built around Butler....and if anything, that is the convo they need to be having.

[AirP.]

lol, BUtler getting 50 mil in a couple years and the team isn't built around him? Somebody better let them know that. I think what you actually mean is that a team can't be built around Butler....and if anything, that is the convo they need to be having.

So outside of Lowry and the rental of Crowder what has this team done to build itself around Butler? It hasn't. Also, I've said it for years now how you build a team with Butler(not around him), you fill the team full of 2-way players and continue to try to upgrade to the best 2-way players you can get and sprinkle in 1 or 2 3pt shooters off the bench to try to score efficiently from 1/2 through the 1st to 1/2 through the 4th. There's not all that many players out there you can build around just them and still be a championship level team. I think there's possibly about 10 players who it would be wise to build the whole team around them, Butler isn't one of those guys, Miami doesn't have anyone good enough to build the team around so you build... a team.

What is Miami's identity? It should be hard working defenders but curently there's 20-40% of the on court talent being bad on the defensive end. That's not an identity, that's a problem. I still can't believe Miami wasted so much money on Robinson last summer who is a one trick pony that really just doesn't fit in with what this team should be all about. Not good on defense, doesn't really create for others other then his "gravity" and while this incredible scorer can't average 14 ppg.

[Kobewade11]

This team is absolutely built around Butler and in HIS image. You cannot say “outside of Lowry” as if thats some small move. They committed 3 years/85 million to this guy and traded arguably the best pg in this franchise history to get him. Maybe if this dude would get in the gym and work on his jumper some of the pieces we brought in would be looking better.

[AirP.]

This team is absolutely built around Butler and in HIS image. You cannot say “outside of Lowry” as if thats some small move. They committed 3 years/85 million to this guy and traded arguably the best pg in this franchise history to get him. Maybe if this dude would get in the gym and work on his jumper some of the pieces we brought in would be looking better.

No. This team is built around Bam both offensively and defensively, it's exactly the reason why Miami is playing small ball. The only move I can see that may have had Butler in mind was Lowry who is the incredible prize of the 2021 plan that stopped Miami from adding to the roster or even keeping the roster at the same level after getting to the finals. I really don't believe Butler was good letting Crowder go and bring in Ariza. Luckily when Dragic was available for the minimum this season... oh yeah, they didn't do that either. Could have kept Nunn who wasn't that much for depth who was at least proven but... Herro's growth, not exactly sounding like building around Butler there either.

[Kobewade11]

No. This team is built around Bam both offensively and defensively, it's exactly the reason why Miami is playing small ball. The only move I can see that may have had Butler in mind was Lowry who is the incredible prize of the 2021 plan that stopped Miami from adding to the roster or even keeping the roster at the same level after getting to the finals. I really don't believe Butler was good letting Crowder go and bring in Ariza. Luckily when Dragic was available for the minimum this season... oh yeah, they didn't do that either. Could have kept Nunn who wasn't that much for depth who was at least proven but... Herro's growth, not exactly sounding like building around Butler there either.

Nunn hasnt played a single minute of basketball this year. Keep him for what?

[Johnny Fontane]

I know a lot of Heat fans saw the Robinson bad contract from the moment we signed it. Hard to believe that was the move we planned instead of bringing back Jae Crowder who was actually a real catalyst as to why we made that fluke finals run. Should have just given him Robinsons 5 year 90 million and call it a day even though he wanted to come back for much less

[oreon]

For all the hate Stan gets, at least he had the common sense to change plans and make Wade our closer and our star player. If we had Spo back then, it would be its not Wade's turn, its not part of the plan this season etc. Just crazy when one thinks about it. This offseason will be fun.

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100000% ridiculous. This idea that Spo would have taken the ball out of Wade's hands is nonsensical. Stan didn't make Wade closer, Wade made Wade the closer. Fact is none of the players on this roster are anywhere near close to that version of Wade. Wade could score at will and get to the rim at will. This was when drop defense where the thing and every team was packing in the paint. Ain't no player on this roster on this level. If we had that Wade isn't of Butler we are a legit title contender. And there would be no question what the pecking order is offensively

[Heat_Down_Under]

For all the hate Stan gets, at least he had the common sense to change plans and make Wade our closer and our star player. If we had Spo back then, it would be its not Wade's turn, its not part of the plan this season etc. Just crazy when one thinks about it. This offseason will be fun.

100000%

100000% ridiculous. This idea that Spo would have taken the ball out of Wade's hands is nonsensical. Stan didn't make Wade closer, Wade made Wade the closer. Fact is none of the players on this roster are anywhere near close to that version of Wade. Wade could score at will and get to the rim at will. This was when drop defense where the thing and every team was packing in the paint. Ain't no player on this roster on this level. If we had that Wade isn't of Butler we are a legit title contender. And there would be no question what the pecking order is offensively

Wade became wade because he was allowed to play.. if wade was rookie wade on this team “before our collapse of late” you think spo was going to change the line up coz we are number 1 seed? and slot wade in the starting line up? Even if wade broke rookie records and carried the team with max players out he still wouldn’t have got starter mins under spo..But thanks for confirming none of our starters on the team have balls, like I have been saying all Bums.. now tell me that’s 1000000% ridiculous too

[oreon]

100000%

100000% ridiculous. This idea that Spo would have taken the ball out of Wade's hands is nonsensical. Stan didn't make Wade closer, Wade made Wade the closer. Fact is none of the players on this roster are anywhere near close to that version of Wade. Wade could score at will and get to the rim at will. This was when drop defense where the thing and every team was packing in the paint. Ain't no player on this roster on this level. If we had that Wade isn't of Butler we are a legit title contender. And there would be no question what the pecking order is offensively

Wade became wade because he was allowed to play.. if wade was rookie wade on this team “before our collapse of late” you think spo was going to change the line up coz we are number 1 seed? and slot wade in the starting line up? Even if wade broke rookie records and carried the team with max players out he still wouldn’t have got starter mins under spo..But thanks for confirming none of our starters on the team have balls, like I have been saying all Bums.. now tell me that’s 1000000% ridiculous too

It is. Bam & Herro were projected role players. They've been a lot better that anyone here expected. And thats Thanks to Spo and this developmental team. So I am struggling to think of who of the young players Spo is holding ?
Herro ? Cuz he's on the bench. Herro played pretty badly when he started. I think he should next season but for this season keep whats working

[Heat_Down_Under]

100000% ridiculous. This idea that Spo would have taken the ball out of Wade's hands is nonsensical. Stan didn't make Wade closer, Wade made Wade the closer. Fact is none of the players on this roster are anywhere near close to that version of Wade. Wade could score at will and get to the rim at will. This was when drop defense where the thing and every team was packing in the paint. Ain't no player on this roster on this level. If we had that Wade isn't of Butler we are a legit title contender. And there would be no question what the pecking order is offensively

Wade became wade because he was allowed to play.. if wade was rookie wade on this team “before our collapse of late” you think spo was going to change the line up coz we are number 1 seed? and slot wade in the starting line up? Even if wade broke rookie records and carried the team with max players out he still wouldn’t have got starter mins under spo..But thanks for confirming none of our starters on the team have balls, like I have been saying all Bums.. now tell me that’s 1000000% ridiculous too

It is. Bam & Herro were projected role players. They've been a lot better that anyone here expected. And thats Thanks to Spo and this developmental team. So I am struggling to think of who of the young players Spo is holding ?
Herro ? Cuz he's on the bench. Herro played pretty badly when he started. I think he should next season but for this season keep whats working

So your saying rookie wade would be starting in this line up? Not talking about bam or Herro as they aren’t rookies anymore.. we talking about “rookie wade” you said it yourself in previous post that ain’t nobody on this team is on “rookie Wade’s level” but then start this reply with “it is” as in ridiculous to what I said at the end of my last reply lol

[oreon]

Wade became wade because he was allowed to play.. if wade was rookie wade on this team “before our collapse of late” you think spo was going to change the line up coz we are number 1 seed? and slot wade in the starting line up? Even if wade broke rookie records and carried the team with max players out he still wouldn’t have got starter mins under spo..But thanks for confirming none of our starters on the team have balls, like I have been saying all Bums.. now tell me that’s 1000000% ridiculous too

It is. Bam & Herro were projected role players. They've been a lot better that anyone here expected. And thats Thanks to Spo and this developmental team. So I am struggling to think of who of the young players Spo is holding ?
Herro ? Cuz he's on the bench. Herro played pretty badly when he started. I think he should next season but for this season keep whats working

So your saying rookie wade would be starting in this line up? Not talking about bam or Herro as they aren’t rookies anymore.. we talking about “rookie wade” you said it yourself in previous post that ain’t nobody on this team is on “rookie Wade’s level” but then start this reply with “it is” as in ridiculous to what I said at the end of my last reply lol

Yes. Cuz Rookie Wade can do what none of these players can do consistently. Beat his man on one one & get to the rim. We struggle in the half court for a reason. Because no one can apply elite rim pressure. So we gotta rely on movement, screens, hunting matchups to generate offense. So when you have a guy who has an elite quickness and athleticism you build your offense around him.

[Heat_Down_Under]

It is. Bam & Herro were projected role players. They've been a lot better that anyone here expected. And thats Thanks to Spo and this developmental team. So I am struggling to think of who of the young players Spo is holding ?
Herro ? Cuz he's on the bench. Herro played pretty badly when he started. I think he should next season but for this season keep whats working

So your saying rookie wade would be starting in this line up? Not talking about bam or Herro as they aren’t rookies anymore.. we talking about “rookie wade” you said it yourself in previous post that ain’t nobody on this team is on “rookie Wade’s level” but then start this reply with “it is” as in ridiculous to what I said at the end of my last reply lol

Yes. Cuz Rookie Wade can do what none of these players can do consistently. Beat his man on one one & get to the rim. We struggle in the half court for a reason. Because no one can apply elite rim pressure. So we gotta rely on movement, screens, hunting matchups to generate offense. So when you have a guy who has an elite quickness and athleticism you build your offense around him.

Too many what ifs with spo coaching… but if we do go off current facts then yes it’s a shame none of our current max players are even close to a “rookie wade”

[harlem_ball]

So your saying rookie wade would be starting in this line up? Not talking about bam or Herro as they aren’t rookies anymore.. we talking about “rookie wade” you said it yourself in previous post that ain’t nobody on this team is on “rookie Wade’s level” but then start this reply with “it is” as in ridiculous to what I said at the end of my last reply lol

Yes. Cuz Rookie Wade can do what none of these players can do consistently. Beat his man on one one & get to the rim. We struggle in the half court for a reason. Because no one can apply elite rim pressure. So we gotta rely on movement, screens, hunting matchups to generate offense. So when you have a guy who has an elite quickness and athleticism you build your offense around him.

Too many what ifs with spo coaching… but if we do go off current facts then yes it’s a shame none of our current max players are even close to a “rookie wade”

There's maybe only one in the league.. Morant.

Hardly a shame.

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Yes. Cuz Rookie Wade can do what none of these players can do consistently. Beat his man on one one & get to the rim. We struggle in the half court for a reason. Because no one can apply elite rim pressure. So we gotta rely on movement, screens, hunting matchups to generate offense. So when you have a guy who has an elite quickness and athleticism you build your offense around him.

Too many what ifs with spo coaching… but if we do go off current facts then yes it’s a shame none of our current max players are even close to a “rookie wade”

There's maybe only one in the league.. Morant.

Hardly a shame.

Maybe we need Taylor Jenkins as head coach in Miami. He’s younger than few of our players on the roster.. I think Spoelstra was 37 when he became head coach whilst having the big 3.. unlike Jenkins who at 34 who only had “rookie morant”.. they were just outside the 8 those first few years and then made the play offs last season but look at the team go now… Jenkins>spo

[harlem_ball]

Too many what ifs with spo coaching… but if we do go off current facts then yes it’s a shame none of our current max players are even close to a “rookie wade”

There's maybe only one in the league.. Morant.

Hardly a shame.

Maybe we need Taylor Jenkins as head coach in Miami. He’s younger than few of our players on the roster.. I think Spoelstra was 37 when he became head coach whilst having the big 3.. unlike Jenkins who at 34 who only had “rookie morant”.. they were just outside the 8 those first few years and then made the play offs last season but look at the team go now… Jenkins>spo

Spos pissing me off this year so i have little positive to say except he coached em to a good seed.

I like Ty Lue, Coach Bud better than Spo right now.

[Heat_Down_Under]

There's maybe only one in the league.. Morant.

Hardly a shame.

Maybe we need Taylor Jenkins as head coach in Miami. He’s younger than few of our players on the roster.. I think Spoelstra was 37 when he became head coach whilst having the big 3.. unlike Jenkins who at 34 who only had “rookie morant”.. they were just outside the 8 those first few years and then made the play offs last season but look at the team go now… Jenkins>spo

Spos pissing me off this year so i have little positive to say except he coached em to a good seed.

I like Ty Lue, Coach Bud better than Spo right now.

You think if spo coached the grizzlies they would be currently second in the west? He would have adams glued to the bench.. JJJ and brooks would be playing centre.. and morant would be on the wrong end of every nights top 10 plays getting dunked on trying to guard the other teams centre in the paint.

Memphis is successful coz they play traditional.. I remember a time when we were playing traditional with no bam and butler and we were fun to watch and winning games.

As I keep saying (flame me all u want) we have a rookie centre that had stats only seen by rookie Shaq since 93…in 29 years there’s been so many rookie centres/top picks… we have a rookie centre that matched that record with gabe and Herro just like Shaq didn’t have penny at the time.. but yeah “he’s not ready” let him rot on the bench. Now we are all in panic mode and in shambles as a fan base as our team has imploded.

[harlem_ball]

Maybe we need Taylor Jenkins as head coach in Miami. He’s younger than few of our players on the roster.. I think Spoelstra was 37 when he became head coach whilst having the big 3.. unlike Jenkins who at 34 who only had “rookie morant”.. they were just outside the 8 those first few years and then made the play offs last season but look at the team go now… Jenkins>spo

Spos pissing me off this year so i have little positive to say except he coached em to a good seed.

I like Ty Lue, Coach Bud better than Spo right now.

You think if spo coached the grizzlies they would be currently second in the west? He would have adams glued to the bench.. JJJ and brooks would be playing centre.. and morant would be on the wrong end of every nights top 10 plays getting dunked on trying to guard the other teams centre in the paint.

Memphis is successful coz they play traditional.. I remember a time when we were playing traditional with no bam and butler and we were fun to watch and winning games.

As I keep saying (flame me all u want) we have a rookie centre that had stats only seen by rookie Shaq since 93…in 29 years there’s been so many rookie centres/top picks… we have a rookie centre that matched that record with gabe and Herro just like Shaq didn’t have penny at the time.. but yeah “he’s not ready” let him rot on the bench. Now we are all in panic mode and in shambles as a fan base as our team has imploded.

Trade Spo. I also think id prefer Monty Williams. He plays bigs.

[oreon]

Maybe we need Taylor Jenkins as head coach in Miami. He’s younger than few of our players on the roster.. I think Spoelstra was 37 when he became head coach whilst having the big 3.. unlike Jenkins who at 34 who only had “rookie morant”.. they were just outside the 8 those first few years and then made the play offs last season but look at the team go now… Jenkins>spo

Spos pissing me off this year so i have little positive to say except he coached em to a good seed.

I like Ty Lue, Coach Bud better than Spo right now.

You think if spo coached the grizzlies they would be currently second in the west? He would have adams glued to the bench.. JJJ and brooks would be playing centre.. and morant would be on the wrong end of every nights top 10 plays getting dunked on trying to guard the other teams centre in the paint.

Memphis is successful coz they play traditional.. I remember a time when we were playing traditional with no bam and butler and we were fun to watch and winning games.

As I keep saying (flame me all u want) we have a rookie centre that had stats only seen by rookie Shaq since 93…in 29 years there’s been so many rookie centres/top picks… we have a rookie centre that matched that record with gabe and Herro just like Shaq didn’t have penny at the time.. but yeah “he’s not ready” let him rot on the bench. Now we are all in panic mode and in shambles as a fan base as our team has imploded.

Shaq and Yurt in the same sentence. Shaq the most unstoppable player in NBA history. And Yurt. Lol