Heat, Mavs Talking JO and/or Beasley For Haywood Trade?

Post #101 » by **mopper8** » Wed Jul 7, 2010 12:10 am

JES12 wrote:Only 3 times in NBA history has the rookie PER leader not become an all-star. The third was was Roddy. Not Wright...not Beasley...Roddy. Roddy will be an all-star. Mark my words.

Heat fans are soooo arrogant!

What are the MPG on all those other PER rookie leaders?

Miamis3rdRing · Post #102 » by **Miamis3rdRing** » Wed Jul 7, 2010 12:13 am

The problem is, who would want Jose? The guy is making approximately $9-10 M per year, and has quite a few years left on his contract to boot. I can't see any team taking on that sort of contract.

Beasley doesn't have the foot speed to defend the better SF's in the game, who coincidentally are in the East. Guys like Lebron, Pierce, Joe Johnson. As Wade put it "Beasley is slow-footed". He has to play PF, but obviously Bosh would get the PT there over him.

Of course this is just IMO. I'm sure many people disagree with me.

Edit: We should bump this thread at the end of the season. I happen to think Roddy has the POTENTIAL to become a future All-Star (Moreso than Beasley...INB4HATERS), but some of you guys are overrating the hell out of him, acting as if it's a sure-fire thing.

Wade2k6 · Post #103 » by **Wade2k6** » Wed Jul 7, 2010 12:15 am

The hype for this guy I've never even heard of but once in my life is ridiculous. You're better off keeping him unless you get a LeBron/Wade tier player? Are you kidding me? If the guy was that good he'd be playing more then 12 minutes a game, and that's a fact.

And LOL @ anointing this guy a future all-star because he led rookies in PER. You are aware Paul and Deron play in the Western conference, correct? And about 10 other guys who I'd take without a second thought: Curry, Evans, Nash, Billups, Parker, Westbrook, Miller, etc. etc.

Akshan · Post #104 » by **Akshan** » Wed Jul 7, 2010 12:18 am

Well he can shed weight and Beasley can learn to defend SF's he blocked crazy shots last year and is a beast on rebounding if he put's his mind to it. Let's see we just gotta find a way not to lose Wade and sign another Al-Star and it will be a good free agency I lost all faith in gettin LeBron .

Post #105 » by **heat4life** » Wed Jul 7, 2010 12:21 am

Beaubois was so great last season that he only managed to play 12MPG behind hated JJ Barea and an old Jason Kidd and Jason Terry...

Miamis3rdRing · Post #106 » by **Miamis3rdRing** » Wed Jul 7, 2010 12:22 am

Beasley averaged just a bit over half a shot block per game last season, it's not really a huge part of his game IMO.

6 boards a game for a starting PF is pretty bad. He's got to step up his game in that aspect. He's shown he can grab rebounds (In college), so I don't know what's wrong with him these days.

Anyways, I hope Haywood doesn't end up with a huge contract. I actually think he's overrated, but there are not many other C's on the market with his size/length. He'd fit in well, if we get Bosh IMO.

Akshan · Post #107 » by **Akshan** » Wed Jul 7, 2010 12:28 am

I agree I don't wanna overpay for anyone and with Bosh we just need a Defensive Center Joel Anthony will be perfect. Also with Beasley same here man IDK wht's wrong with him he has time to get better but he playing with Dwyane Wade he should be a stud by now

Teddy Bruckshut · Post #108 » by **Teddy Bruckshut** » Wed Jul 7, 2010 12:30 am

Akshan wrote:I agree I don't wanna overpay for anyone and with Bosh we just need a Defensive Center Joel Anthony will be perfect. Also with Beasley same here man IDK wht's wrong with him he has time to get better but he playing with Dwyane Wade he should be a stud by now

Michael Beasley is what's wrong with Michael Beasley. The sooner he realizes that is the sooner he can work on a solution to turn it into "Michael Beasley is what's right about Michael Beasley"

FAB0L0US · Post #109 » by **FAB0L0US** » Wed Jul 7, 2010 12:32 am

MavfanAus wrote:Dallas won't trade him unless we recieve a superstar talent back

LOLOL I remember that thread on the Cavs board where Mavs fans were trying to trade a package centered around Beaubois for Lebron James.

http://forums.realgm.com/boards/viewtopic.php?f=11&t=1010947&start=0

For your reading pleasure.

PS- Mavs fans, you overrate Beaubois. A lot!!!

twix2500 · Post #110 » by **twix2500** » Wed Jul 7, 2010 12:32 am

If you question Beasley rebounding, look at Haywood's rebounding over his career. Horrible for a man his size. He is not worth trading Beasley. I dont mind Haywood here, but for the right price. If we give them Beasley, then Caron better be in that deal.

twix2500 · Post #111 » by **twix2500** » Wed Jul 7, 2010 12:35 am

Akshan wrote:I agree I don't wanna overpay for anyone and with Bosh we just need a Defensive Center Joel Anthony will be perfect. Also with Beasley same here man IDK wht's wrong with him he has time to get better but he playing with Dwyane Wade he should be a stud by now

Stop it with the Joel Anthony ideals. I better not see this guy on the court unless we just need energy and some fouls. He is a good shot block and works hard thats it. Please, decent reserve guy.

Post #112 » by **mopper8** » Wed Jul 7, 2010 12:39 am

twix2500 wrote:If you question Beasley rebounding, look at Haywood's rebounding over his career. Horrible for a man his size. He is not worth trading Beasley. I dont mind Haywood here, but for the right price. If we give them Beasley, then Caron better be in that deal.

Haywood's defensive rebounding is basically middle-of-the-pack, but he's actually a very very good offensive rebounder. Worth noting.

Miamis3rdRing · Post #113 » by **Miamis3rdRing** » Wed Jul 7, 2010 12:40 am

You're right twix, Haywood's rebounding #'s are pathetic. I don't know why either?

Edit: You're right mopper, his offensive rebound #'s look pretty good.

The only reason I like him is because his height/length (Compared to say, Okafor). At the very least, he can bother shots, and he's not a stick figure either so he won't get pushed around too much. He's not worth $10 M, that's for sure.

TrueRain · Post #114 » by **TrueRain** » Wed Jul 7, 2010 12:41 am

twix2500 wrote:
Akshan wrote:I agree I don't wanna overpay for anyone and with Bosh we just need a Defensive Center Joel Anthony will be perfect. Also with Beasley same here man IDK wht's wrong with him he has time to get better but he playing with Dwyane Wade he should be a stud by now

Stop it with the Joel Anthony ideals. I better not see this guy on the court unless we just need energy and some fouls. He is a good shot block and works hard thats it. Please, decent reserve guy.

Seriously. The guy should not be starting center.

Tim_Hardawayy · Post #115 » by **Tim_Hardawayy** » Wed Jul 7, 2010 12:46 am

coolstorybro wrote:You're right twix, Haywood's rebounding #'s are pathetic. I don't know why either?

Edit: You're right mopper, his offensive rebound #'s look pretty good.

The only reason I like him is because his height/length (Compared to say, Okafor). At the very least, he can bother shots, and he's not a stick figure either so he won't get pushed around too much. He's not worth $10 M, that's for sure.

What those #'s tell me are 2 things, he tries harder on offense so that he can "get his", and he is lazy (which also explains why his rebounding magically picked up in a contract year).

So you have a big man that doesn't try unless he's scoring, and is lazy on the defensive glass. Huge red flags imo.

I've already stated in the past I'm not a Haywood fan though, so some may see me as biased.

FAB0L0US · Post #116 » by **FAB0L0US** » Wed Jul 7, 2010 12:47 am

Guys, I want to point out we were tied for third in defensive efficiency last year with JO as our starting center.

I would rather have JO back next year than Haywood. Haywood just sucks, I dont want him playing for the Heat. If we can afford to pay him, my vote goes to JO for starting center.

Also, JO is good at getting fouls and blocking shots. Haywood CAN block shots, cant draw charges. JO> Haywood any day of the week. I just cant understand how anyone could possibly think Haywood is better at anything basketball related than JO except being a big dumb ogre.

Miamis3rdRing · Post #117 » by **Miamis3rdRing** » Wed Jul 7, 2010 12:50 am

I was warming up to Haywood (I've never been a huge fan of his), but after reading what some of you guys have written, I'm beginning to reconsider.

New Question:
Aside from Haywood, what are some other options that we can pursue as a starting C?

Just keep in mind, we are ASSUMING that we have Chris Bosh on the team. So ideally you want to pair him w/a guy who can play good defense, while giving Bosh room to operate on offense.

twix2500 · Post #118 » by **twix2500** » Wed Jul 7, 2010 12:51 am

coolstorybro wrote:You're right twix, Haywood's rebounding #'s are pathetic. I don't know why either?

Edit: You're right mopper, his offensive rebound #'s look pretty good.

The only reason I like him is because his height/length (Compared to say, Okafor). At the very least, he can bother shots, and he's not a stick figure either so he won't get pushed around too much. He's not worth $10 M, that's for sure.

He is not worth 10 mill, just not and if we do give him 10 mill we are going o regret it and he will have zero trade value for a long time. Haywood is a good player, just very inconsistant. He is 2010 version of Beniot Benjamin. Future projects of Haywood, with the Heat is 10 pts, 8 rebounds. Give or take 2 pts or 1 rebound. He does have size and it will bother people, thats where his value is at. But still not 10 mill worth. Maybe 6-7 mill and I wont be mad.

Post #119 » by **LEIF** » Wed Jul 7, 2010 12:53 am

wallacesports Mavs reportedly have no interest - for now - in potential sign-and-trade deal with the Heat, w/J.O'Neal-Beas as options

SaintofKillers · Post #120 » by **SaintofKillers** » Wed Jul 7, 2010 1:00 am

Wade2k6 wrote:The hype for this guy I've never even heard of but once in my life is ridiculous. You're better off keeping him unless you get a LeBron/Wade tier player? Are you kidding me? If the guy was that good he'd be playing more then 12 minutes a game, and that's a fact.

Like I explicitly stated: if you're not getting those types of players for Roddy, then you're better off keeping him. Why trade the closest thing to a youngster with a bright future on a team filled with hobbled fossils for anyone that isn't going to help your team get over the hump? Worse: for someone that another GM is basically giftwrapping for salary relief.

It's simple logic. I don't know why you guys keep on thinking that I'm comparing him to Wade and LeBron.

heat4life wrote:Beaubois was so great last season that he only managed to play 12MPG behind hated JJ Barea and an old Jason Kidd and Jason Terry...

Indiana fans would like you to meet Rick Carlisle.