Winslow

[Hallstar]

It just seems like youre already willing to give up on a guy that just turned 21 and has basically played just 1 season. I dont think Chicago fans and Spurs fans were seeing a guaranteed franchise player from Butler and Kawhi when they were 21. Butler wasnt even in the NBA at 21 and wasnt a normal rotation player till he was 23 and wasnt a consistent starter till he was 24 and that year he still scored only 13pts on 39/28/76 shooting. Im not saying Justise is going to be on their level, but you gotta be somewhat patient with these young raw wings. Youve basically only seen Justise for 1 year.

Personally i would like to give Winslow a chance but please remember we have Pat in charge. Pat will not wait for Winslow. Pat is a man full of pride that is trying to get back to the playoffs and contending at all cost before he retires which is coming up soon. Pat is the living definition of what have you done for me lately. So yes while i would like to give Winslow a chance to show he is not the draft bust some are saying he is, its Pat's call and he is very impatient so the writing is on the wall here.

You're saying the complete opposite to what the person I quoted is saying. You're saying Pat wants to win now and the writing is on the wall that Pat is going to move on. While the person I quoted is saying that another season is going to be waisted forcing Justise into the franchise player role. So what one is it? Is next season going to be waisted giving Justise the franchise role or is the writing on the wall that the franchise is already move on from him. And I want to make sure I'm being clear, I'm not asking that in a snarky sarcastic way, you all are fans of this team and know it a hell of a lot better than I do. So I really am curious if the writing is on the wall that Pat has given up on Justise.

The problem is you can't trust anything Riley says in public. His modus operandi has always been win now. Justise has not shown enough to be "safe" despite Riley seeming to sing his praises.

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[Wiltside]

^ To be fair though, no player is safe. Particularly not when you aren't a superstar.

I think it's clear that the FO rates Justise a lot higher than perhaps many posters here do, and they're the ones who see behind the scenes how hard he is working to get better and breathe the culture we hold in such high regard. That's not to say he's untouchable, every player has a price, and you can bet if Riley could package him and just about any other potential asset we had for Paul George - he'd do it without blinking. That's why Riley's paid the big bucks.

Having said that, I expect Winslow to be on our team next year, starting at SF.

[balla345]

WInslow value is so low right now no point in trading him

[gom]

Winslow sounds very confident:

http://uproxx.com/dimemag/justise-winslow-rehab-injury-nba-offseason-miami-heat-franchise-profile/

https://www.si.com/nba/2017/07/20/justise-winslow-miami-heat-injury-update-dwyane-wade-dion-waiters

For my part, I have enormous expectations for Winslow: 16/8/4 with a DRTG of 102 in 30 mpg would be just exactly perfect.

[Wiltside]

Been waiting to hear more on Justise. Good read, I'm really excited to see how he bounces back this season.

[Heat_team02]

My complaints are that he plays under the rim which I don't like it's almost as if he's wearing 10lb weights on each ankle and of course his jump shot.





Defender barely came over.

[Wiltside]

Not sure what your footage above is trying to show to be honest. Call him below the rim but have him finishing through contact for an and 1? Criticize his jumper but then have gif's showing him making it? Everyone knows his J is busted, from the release point to the leg kicks. He's working on it, and we have Rob Fodor (shooting coach) purely to do just that. Defenders will leave him open until he proves he can hit it at a decent clip.

You can be a "below the rim" player and still be effective in this league. He needs to develop a floater and continue to hone his post up game. With his frame, he should be able to drive and get to the line more. He had difficulty finishing last season, but only he knows how bad the wrist injury was hampering him. He was banged up from the start.

[rate_]

Not sure what your footage above is trying to show to be honest. Call him below the rim but have him finishing through contact for an and 1? Criticize his jumper but then have gif's showing him making it? Everyone knows his J is busted, from the release point to the leg kicks. He's working on it, and we have Rob Fodor (shooting coach) purely to do just that. Defenders will leave him open until he proves he can hit it at a decent clip.

You can be a "below the rim" player and still be effective in this league. He needs to develop a floater and continue to hone his post up game. With his frame, he should be able to drive and get to the line more. He had difficulty finishing last season, but only he knows how bad the wrist injury was hampering him. He was banged up from the start.

Even before the injuries were piling up, Winslow hasn't shown to be an adequate finisher as of yet. And, I think ironically that largely has to do with him playing below the rim. He barely shows any lift when he is trying to finish around the rim. Certainly didn't show as much bounce to date as his ballislife youtube mixes. The shooting is just one of his issues, but I think he can improve on that because that issue is clearly mechanical. You can tell because his mechanics becomes 'herky-jerkier' the more he extends his range.

You won't have that same problem with Bam because his form appears to be as consistent with range and it is apparent he has bounce.

[Wiltside]

Even before the injuries were piling up, Winslow hasn't shown to be an adequate finisher as of yet. And, I think ironically that largely has to do with him playing below the rim. He barely shows any lift when he is trying to finish around the rim. Certainly didn't show as much bounce to date as his ballislife youtube mixes. The shooting is just one of his issues, but I think he can improve on that because that issue is clearly mechanical. You can tell because his mechanics becomes 'herky-jerkier' the more he extends his range.

You won't have that same problem with Bam because his form appears to be as consistent with range and it is apparent he has bounce.

I hear what you're saying, but really we didn't see Justise finish in traffic much his rookie year because majority of his shots were catch and shoot - or bunnies at the rim from off the ball cuts. He wasn't handling and driving all that much at all.

Last season is hard to determine. Yep - he had a lot of trouble offensively, whether it was jumpers or finishing at the hoop. He doesn't seem to have the same bounce or explosion he had in college, or atleast hasn't shown a lot of it - just flashes. The wrist injury happened really early on though, so the sample size of whether he can actually finish at the rim is difficult to put a lot of weight on. This season will give us a better indication, health willing.

Agreed on the J - the mechanics change as he goes out to 3pt range. Hopefully Fodor can correct this and have a smoother, consistent action.

[igotthatheat]

His offense is dissapointing. Yes he can improve, but I dont ever see him being a 18ppg+ guy

Id be happy if he can be something like Iguodala for us.

[Heat_team02]

Maybe I'm nitpicking and there are just as many great highlights that can be referenced to show his strengths but here are just some examples of the habits I don't like.

Highlight #1- Hits the deck on little to no contact. You can get hurt doing this.
Highlight #2- Almost gets his shot blocked in a slow motion drive.
Highlight #4- Hit pause when he jumps & check out the hang time
Highlight #5- Misses the dunk cause he's short of the rim yeah he got fouled/ & hits the deck hard again

Watch on YouTube

He did make his jump shots in this game Btw but he has to make them on a consistent enough basis so that the defense doesn't sag off him the way they did with Anthony Carter.

The NBA should start keeping stats on players that hit the deck for whatever scenario instead of just charges. I saw him take a big spill early last season (slipped on water) with nobody around him.

[Bishop45]

Maybe I'm nitpicking and there are just as many great highlights that can be referenced to show his strengths but here are just some examples of the habits I don't like.

Highlight #1- Hits the deck on little to no contact. You can get hurt doing this.
Highlight #2- Almost gets his shot blocked in a slow motion drive.
Highlight #4- Hit pause when he jumps & check out the hang time
Highlight #5- Misses the dunk cause he's short of the rim yeah he got fouled/ & hits the deck hard again

Watch on YouTube

He did make his jump shots in this game Btw but he has to make them on a consistent enough basis so that the defense doesn't sag off him the way they did with Anthony Carter.

This is the game where his rumored shoulder problems started, had a good game in Orl before this. I think the problem with him finishing in the paint has more to do with awareness and length. He had trouble finishing against elite length in College, think the problem has just exasperated against NBA length and defenses. Has to tighten up his handle and footwork, if his footwork and awareness was up to NBA standards he could finish and get to the line with the best of them. Ton of these things just come with experience. One of his quirks which you can see in the original video is that he gathers way too far from the basket, likely cause he just doesn't know how to get to the hoop. I remember a number of times in his rookie season where the vets would get mad at him for going up in an untimely fashion to finish on a fastbreak, in a way that could get him injured. Good example of him gathering too soon and just going up here at :49 where he has a clear shot at the basket

Watch on YouTube

Although it's against much smaller/weaker comp. you can see it in a few of his College highlights

Watch on YouTube

Gets stronger and gets the footwork down and he'll probably get to the rim more frequently

[radikalBaller]

Yeah something must be wrong with his timing and footwork when it comes to jumping because overall he is pretty athletic, prb the most athletic guy playing under the rim.

We should get also a jumping/dunking coach or have him go through the boing vert program...

[heat4life]

Winslow is talented. Those who want to give up on him at only 21 yo. need to remember that not all young players develop at the same rate as some extraordinaire superstars. Example would be our very own Hassan Whiteside. Super talented coming into the league but just needed the right time to develop with the right environment. Winslow - at least offensively - is in the same mold. His defense is NBA caliber already so he deserves the minutes. Get him healthy, keep developing him and let's see what we have in a year or two offensively. I am not expecting a juggernaut scorer but at least good one.

Now, if a trade for a star player requires us to give up Justise, I would do it. Otherwise, let's be smart and not give up on him just for the sake of change. Turn off your microwaves people; sometimes the best meals are cooked on the stove with patience.

[Zasterror]

Winslow wasn't a great leaper, even during his Duke days. He really has to put more touch around the rim; he missed so many bunnies throughout his career. But I have faith in him.

[Wiltside]

Winslow has finally returned to contact work - that's some recovery timetable huh. It was a significant injury, hopefully all the reps he has been getting with Spo and Fodor are fixing some of the issues with his shot, mechanically.

http://www.sun-sentinel.com/sports/miami-heat/fl-sp-justise-winslow-miami-heat-20170726-story.html

[Heat_team02]

Watch on YouTube

Oops wrong thread

[Wiltside]

Q&A update with Justise from the Palm Beach Post

http://heatzone.blog.palmbeachpost.com/2017/07/27/heat-offseason-qa-justise-winslow-discusses-shoulder-rehab-says-kyrie-irving-has-maximized-cavaliers-role/

[HeatIn5]

It just seems like youre already willing to give up on a guy that just turned 21 and has basically played just 1 season. I dont think Chicago fans and Spurs fans were seeing a guaranteed franchise player from Butler and Kawhi when they were 21. Butler wasnt even in the NBA at 21 and wasnt a normal rotation player till he was 23 and wasnt a consistent starter till he was 24 and that year he still scored only 13pts on 39/28/76 shooting. Im not saying Justise is going to be on their level, but you gotta be somewhat patient with these young raw wings. Youve basically only seen Justise for 1 year.

Personally i would like to give Winslow a chance but please remember we have Pat in charge. Pat will not wait for Winslow. Pat is a man full of pride that is trying to get back to the playoffs and contending at all cost before he retires which is coming up soon. Pat is the living definition of what have you done for me lately. So yes while i would like to give Winslow a chance to show he is not the draft bust some are saying he is, its Pat's call and he is very impatient so the writing is on the wall here.

You're saying the complete opposite to what the person I quoted is saying. You're saying Pat wants to win now and the writing is on the wall that Pat is going to move on. While the person I quoted is saying that another season is going to be waisted forcing Justise into the franchise player role. So what one is it? Is next season going to be waisted giving Justise the franchise role or is the writing on the wall that the franchise is already move on from him. And I want to make sure I'm being clear, I'm not asking that in a snarky sarcastic way, you all are fans of this team and know it a hell of a lot better than I do. So I really am curious if the writing is on the wall that Pat has given up on Justise.

So what is going to make Justise the franchise player? Because IF he starts, and that's a big IF, he will be the 5th player to be considered a "star". The "Stars" of this team over the next 3-4 years will be Dragic, Waiters, James Johnson, Whiteside.

We need to find a 3 that can be an energizer bunny and play lockdown D on whatever wing we cover that night. McGruder played that role very well down the stretch, and I could see Winslow doing so this year.

[Flash4thewin]

Not that it is any surprise to anyone that knows the Heat but Winslow was offered as part of a package for Kyrie. Pat wants to go out with a bang and Winslow is not in the right age or development at this point in his game.