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Post#101 » by AirP. » Tue Nov 17, 2020 6:13 pm

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If we just keep Tyler Herro, Duncan Robinson and add the salaries of Jimmy Butler and Adebayo, we are about $2,123,889 short of a maximum salary.

In that case this scenario isnt bad. I really think Heild could make a huge leap in the offense. If we're able to add another Max or near max player it'll at least give us some type of best of both worlds of compete now and later. The only thing is the Max or near max player may not be a superstar.


Have you ever seen Gom with bad ideas? Our options are too many to panic. If Gordon Hayward is interested in leaving the Celtics and opts out this season, the Heat can frontload the deal plus a player option or Miami can offer the largest signing bonus allowed to sign Gordon Hayward along the lines of four-years, $90 million. Personally, I like Gordon better for this team.

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Post#102 » by heater4life » Tue Nov 17, 2020 6:15 pm

Slot Machine wrote:Please no to Gallinari.



Why wouldn’t you want Gallinari?

They’ll probably ST for Gallo, unlocking a pick protection and including Olynyk.

With a team option for 2021, you get better, maintain flexibility, and open up the use of future draft picks.

That’s a no brainer.

Edit: Or keep Olynyk and have 27M in expiring deals to make a move, while maintaining Dragic/Crowder. That’s a potential squad

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Post#103 » by Cmon_Son-_- » Tue Nov 17, 2020 6:19 pm

JLop wrote:
Cmon_Son-_- wrote:
JLop wrote:
If we just keep Tyler Herro, Duncan Robinson and add the salaries of Jimmy Butler and Adebayo, we are about $2,123,889 short of a maximum salary.

In that case this scenario isnt bad. I really think Heild could make a huge leap in the offense. If we're able to add another Max or near max player it'll at least give us some type of best of both worlds of compete now and later. The only thing is the Max or near max player may not be a superstar.


Have you ever seen Gom with bad ideas? Our options are too many to panic. If Gordon Hayward is interested in leaving the Celtics and opts out this season, the Heat can frontload the deal plus a player option or Miami can offer the largest signing bonus allowed to sign Gordon Hayward along the lines of four-years, $90 million. Personally, I like Gordon better for this team.

I'd prefer Heild at this point over Gordon but I like the out of the box thinking. We could do alot worse.
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Post#104 » by IggieCC » Tue Nov 17, 2020 6:22 pm

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Post#105 » by JLop » Tue Nov 17, 2020 6:23 pm

AirP. wrote:
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Cmon_Son-_- wrote:In that case this scenario isnt bad. I really think Heild could make a huge leap in the offense. If we're able to add another Max or near max player it'll at least give us some type of best of both worlds of compete now and later. The only thing is the Max or near max player may not be a superstar.


Have you ever seen Gom with bad ideas? Our options are too many to panic. If Gordon Hayward is interested in leaving the Celtics and opts out this season, the Heat can frontload the deal plus a player option or Miami can offer the largest signing bonus allowed to sign Gordon Hayward along the lines of four-years, $90 million. Personally, I like Gordon better for this team.

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Post#106 » by eddieheatfan » Tue Nov 17, 2020 6:24 pm

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JLop wrote:
Cmon_Son-_- wrote:In that case this scenario isnt bad. I really think Heild could make a huge leap in the offense. If we're able to add another Max or near max player it'll at least give us some type of best of both worlds of compete now and later. The only thing is the Max or near max player may not be a superstar.


Have you ever seen Gom with bad ideas? Our options are too many to panic. If Gordon Hayward is interested in leaving the Celtics and opts out this season, the Heat can frontload the deal plus a player option or Miami can offer the largest signing bonus allowed to sign Gordon Hayward along the lines of four-years, $90 million. Personally, I like Gordon better for this team.

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Post#107 » by JLop » Tue Nov 17, 2020 6:27 pm

Cmon_Son-_- wrote:
JLop wrote:
Cmon_Son-_- wrote:In that case this scenario isnt bad. I really think Heild could make a huge leap in the offense. If we're able to add another Max or near max player it'll at least give us some type of best of both worlds of compete now and later. The only thing is the Max or near max player may not be a superstar.


Have you ever seen Gom with bad ideas? Our options are too many to panic. If Gordon Hayward is interested in leaving the Celtics and opts out this season, the Heat can frontload the deal plus a player option or Miami can offer the largest signing bonus allowed to sign Gordon Hayward along the lines of four-years, $90 million. Personally, I like Gordon better for this team.

I'd prefer Heild at this point over Gordon but I like the out of the box thinking. We could do alot worse.


Gordon covers more positions, handles the ball and also plays power forward. The best part is that we don't have to hand over any assets.
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Post#108 » by The Bunk » Tue Nov 17, 2020 6:31 pm

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gom wrote:Gallinari is not a great idea. This is pretty depressing.

If Covington is available, he is a much better option.


How many first-round picks do you think will be enough to acquire De'Aaron Fox from Sacramento using our Trade Exception?

In addition to Tyler Herro?
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Post#109 » by JLop » Tue Nov 17, 2020 6:33 pm

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gom wrote:Gallinari is not a great idea. This is pretty depressing.

If Covington is available, he is a much better option.


How many first-round picks do you think will be enough to acquire De'Aaron Fox from Sacramento using our Trade Exception?

In addition to Tyler Herro?


You cannot add any players when you use a trade exception.
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Post#110 » by AirP. » Tue Nov 17, 2020 6:40 pm

JLop wrote:
Cmon_Son-_- wrote:
JLop wrote:
Have you ever seen Gom with bad ideas? Our options are too many to panic. If Gordon Hayward is interested in leaving the Celtics and opts out this season, the Heat can frontload the deal plus a player option or Miami can offer the largest signing bonus allowed to sign Gordon Hayward along the lines of four-years, $90 million. Personally, I like Gordon better for this team.

I'd prefer Heild at this point over Gordon but I like the out of the box thinking. We could do alot worse.


Gordon covers more positions, handles the ball and also plays power forward. The best part is that we don't have to hand over any assets.

Right, if Giannis is off the market, adding a very good player without losing much if any in assets is an upgrade, possibly sizable upgrade.

I'm still intrigued with acquiring Westbrook for basically cap space and 1 or 2 salary cap filler players, possibly add in some small asset(s) since Spoelstra seems to want him and it's been said that he's drawn up plays to utilize Westbrook's talents. I believe Spoelstra could get top 10 player production out of him, which would be great with Butler, Bam, Herro, Dragic, Crowder and Robinson on the roster still, just add another defensive big, maybe the trade is contingent on a 2nd trade with PJ Tucker?

Still some high upside risky moves out there that may not cost much in assets...
Westbrook
Griffin
Love
Oladipo
DeRozan
Aldridge
Gallinari
Rose
Gordon
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Post#111 » by IggieCC » Tue Nov 17, 2020 6:43 pm

Hayward will not give up 34 mil option JLOP, EDDIE
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Post#112 » by The Bunk » Tue Nov 17, 2020 6:43 pm

JLop wrote:
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JLop wrote:
How many first-round picks do you think will be enough to acquire De'Aaron Fox from Sacramento using our Trade Exception?

In addition to Tyler Herro?


You cannot add any players when you use a trade exception.


Then you cannot acquire Fox using one.

Impossible to get him without including Herro.
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Post#113 » by IggieCC » Tue Nov 17, 2020 6:45 pm

Some guys (AirP) like to live dangerously. It's sports fantasy ain't nothing wrong with that
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Post#114 » by AirP. » Tue Nov 17, 2020 6:46 pm

IggieCC wrote:Some guys (AirP) like to live dangerously. It's sports fantasy ain't nothing wrong with that

Living dangerously this last season may have given Miami a championship. But hey... that 2021 space!

I was the one banging the CP3 drum because of his stats without Harden on the court were GREAT in Houston but people just looked at the contract and his overall numbers. HE IS GOING TO BE GOOD/GREAT HIS WHOLE CONTRACT. Westbrook may be the same way.

You can't just look at stats all the time, sometimes you need to examine the context of those stats, sometimes you don't need to.

Also, sometimes a single injury can change everything, Chicago thought it had a Championship future with Derrick Rose, that whole future changed in an instant.
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Post#115 » by Cmon_Son-_- » Tue Nov 17, 2020 6:58 pm

JLop wrote:
Cmon_Son-_- wrote:
JLop wrote:
Have you ever seen Gom with bad ideas? Our options are too many to panic. If Gordon Hayward is interested in leaving the Celtics and opts out this season, the Heat can frontload the deal plus a player option or Miami can offer the largest signing bonus allowed to sign Gordon Hayward along the lines of four-years, $90 million. Personally, I like Gordon better for this team.

I'd prefer Heild at this point over Gordon but I like the out of the box thinking. We could do alot worse.


Gordon covers more positions, handles the ball and also plays power forward. The best part is that we don't have to hand over any assets.

My thing is I think we need an Elite Scorer. This year Heild wasnt used correctly by walton so his numbers dropped but the year before as a starter he had 1.06 PPP which is around the same mark as Harden. Overall he doesn't impact the game like harden but if his role was to get buckets while Bam and Jimmy handle the facilitating I believe the results would be good.
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Post#116 » by JLop » Tue Nov 17, 2020 7:12 pm

AirP. wrote:
JLop wrote:
Cmon_Son-_- wrote:I'd prefer Heild at this point over Gordon but I like the out of the box thinking. We could do alot worse.


Gordon covers more positions, handles the ball and also plays power forward. The best part is that we don't have to hand over any assets.

Right, if Giannis is off the market, adding a very good player without losing much if any in assets is an upgrade, possibly sizable upgrade.

I'm still intrigued with acquiring Westbrook for basically cap space and 1 or 2 salary cap filler players, possibly add in some small asset(s) since Spoelstra seems to want him and it's been said that he's drawn up plays to utilize Westbrook's talents. I believe Spoelstra could get top 10 player production out of him, which would be great with Butler, Bam, Herro, Dragic, Crowder and Robinson on the roster still, just add another defensive big, maybe the trade is contingent on a 2nd trade with PJ Tucker?

Still some high upside risky moves out there that may not cost much in assets...
Westbrook
Griffin
Love
Oladipo
DeRozan
Aldridge
Gallinari
Rose
Gordon


Westbrook (bad contract and doesn't fit)
Griffin (worst contract in league)
Love (fits well, but his contract will not allow us to maintain a maximum salary in 2021 and he has some defense and health problems)
Oladipo (good risk if his salary does not exceed 20 million, anything else is a bad idea, he has some health problems)
DeRozan (bad contract and doesn't fit)
Aldridge (one year rent and questionable fit)
Gallinari (a year rental or maybe more with some defense and health issues, but his shooting skills are badly needed and hard to find)
Rose (doesn't fit)
Gordon (good risk if your salary does not exceed 20 million, anything else is a bad idea)
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Post#117 » by JLop » Tue Nov 17, 2020 7:17 pm

IggieCC wrote:Hayward will not give up 34 mil option JLOP, EDDIE


Four years, $90 million and no taxes, and a deep playoff run sounds appealing.
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Post#118 » by SA37 » Tue Nov 17, 2020 7:20 pm

If Houston has any intention of moving Harden, they are going to move Westbrook. Apparently no one is willing to give up much to get Westbrook, which makes Miami a realistic option for his services. If Hayward opts out, you'd have to imagine Miami would go after him (and I believe Hayward almost signed with Miami when he was a FA). Gallinari has been a target since the trade deadline.

Am I crazy thinking there is a way Miami can get all 3?

1. Miami renounces every FA except DJJ, so Miami has a bit over $30M in space.

2. Miami signs Hayward (deal starts at ~$20M)

3. Miami gets Gallinari (2-years, ~$25M) and #28
OKC gets: Okpala, #20 and the 2023 pick unprotected

4. Miami gets Westbrook and PJ Tucker
Houston gets: Iguodala, Olynyk, DJJ, #28, future pick


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Butler - Robinson
Hayward - Herro
Gallinari - Tucker- Haslem
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Post#119 » by AirP. » Tue Nov 17, 2020 7:20 pm

So, there's probably no new Miami news until tomorrow night when Miami can make the 20th pick and reroute that player to another team or possibly get someone to drop to them and allow them to move someone currently on the roster in a package.
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Post#120 » by JLop » Tue Nov 17, 2020 7:21 pm

Cmon_Son-_- wrote:
JLop wrote:
Cmon_Son-_- wrote:I'd prefer Heild at this point over Gordon but I like the out of the box thinking. We could do alot worse.


Gordon covers more positions, handles the ball and also plays power forward. The best part is that we don't have to hand over any assets.

My thing is I think we need an Elite Scorer. This year Heild wasnt used correctly by walton so his numbers dropped but the year before as a starter he had 1.06 PPP which is around the same mark as Harden. Overall he doesn't impact the game like harden but if his role was to get buckets while Bam and Jimmy handle the facilitating I believe the results would be good.


Heild is a good option, fits well with a good salary. Let's first try something that doesn't require any assets.

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