PG: Dipo Sighting

[harlem_ball]

Sabonis is a better offensive player than Bam, but Bam is light years better than Sabonis on defense. Adebayo is a much more capable offensive player than what he is showing in the Atlanta series, though.

At any rate, Miami is not trading Bam unless the player coming back is Jokic, Doncic, Giannis, or Embiid.

I am actually curious if MIami will go after Lillard or Beal in the summer. It would take Lowry, Robinson, and Herro to get either done. Sign Covington. Re-sign Oladipo.

Bam / Dedmon / Yurtseven
Tucker / Covington
Butler / Martin
Oladipo / Strus
Lillard / Vincent

So Bam who is arguably not even a top 15 player would only be traded for top 5-7 players? Especially when Bam is what he is on offense?

I honestly think he's in the same Herro boat other than having already had the benefit of getting paid. He also has the benefit of playing with the first unit and being shielded by not being asked to even contribute consistently offensively. I mean I wouldn't even want to imagine Bam trying to carry an offense, it'd be a nightmare. So he is very far from being untouchable if he continues sucking the way he has.

He’s much more valuable than Herro as a trade piece and it isn’t even close. Only 24 years old averaging 19-10-4 while being arguably the best defender in the world on the 1st seed in the East. Herro is just a scorer.

Would you do Bam for Brandon Ingram?

[harlem_ball]

You really need someone to answer how dumb this is lol?

Is it truly dumb or are you butthurt? Explain your position.

Pat has never been near the level of player Bam is. That’s just a terrible comparison

Pat just took the TWolves from the cellar to the yoffs in one season.

[3ammy3uck3ts]

So Bam who is arguably not even a top 15 player would only be traded for top 5-7 players? Especially when Bam is what he is on offense?

I honestly think he's in the same Herro boat other than having already had the benefit of getting paid. He also has the benefit of playing with the first unit and being shielded by not being asked to even contribute consistently offensively. I mean I wouldn't even want to imagine Bam trying to carry an offense, it'd be a nightmare. So he is very far from being untouchable if he continues sucking the way he has.

He’s much more valuable than Herro as a trade piece and it isn’t even close. Only 24 years old averaging 19-10-4 while being arguably the best defender in the world on the 1st seed in the East. Herro is just a scorer.

Would you do Bam for Brandon Ingram?

No I would not but I’d love to pair them in the front court.

[3ammy3uck3ts]

Is it truly dumb or are you butthurt? Explain your position.

Pat has never been near the level of player Bam is. That’s just a terrible comparison

Pat just took the TWolves from the cellar to the yoffs in one season.

He’s at the very best the 4 best player on that team. Solid role player that I wouldn’t mind having myself, hell we were the ones that found him, but he’s simply just a role player. Hell never be near all star level

[harlem_ball]

He’s much more valuable than Herro as a trade piece and it isn’t even close. Only 24 years old averaging 19-10-4 while being arguably the best defender in the world on the 1st seed in the East. Herro is just a scorer.

Would you do Bam for Brandon Ingram?

No I would not but I’d love to pair them in the front court.

That's the homer in you speaking probably, but fine. Ok. You really respect Adebayo that much. He's good but we gotta win it now or im trading high.

[harlem_ball]

Pat has never been near the level of player Bam is. That’s just a terrible comparison

Pat just took the TWolves from the cellar to the yoffs in one season.

He’s at the very best the 4 best player on that team. Solid role player that I wouldn’t mind having myself, hell we were the ones that found him, but he’s simply just a role player. Hell never be near all star level

I think he was in all-star consideration one season in LA. Anyways he, like Bam, do the little things that go unnoticed. Besides, we were winning with Yurt too so I don't see Bam as irreplaceable, especially for Ingram.

Winning will cure all doubts. No 2nd round choke jobs with weak stats please

[3ammy3uck3ts]

Would you do Bam for Brandon Ingram?

No I would not but I’d love to pair them in the front court.

That's the homer in you speaking probably, but fine. Ok. You really respect Adebayo that much. He's good but we gotta win it now or im trading high.

Ingrams a very very good offensive player who’s average at best defensively and has never won anything.

Bam is the best defender in the world and a good offensive player who averages 19 and makes plays for our offense.

He’s developing that side still. Shot 43% on jumpers this season. He will continue to grow. Guys are chomping at the bit to play with someone like Bam, Lillard said it himself. The Hawks drafted that Onyeka dude in hopes he would be the next Bam, they said it at the draft. Those who know ball and understand his impact appreciate him, box score watchers who only care about PPG don’t. It why we see Herro on such a high pedestal here.

[Shewasfly]

Sabonis is a better offensive player than Bam, but Bam is light years better than Sabonis on defense. Adebayo is a much more capable offensive player than what he is showing in the Atlanta series, though.

At any rate, Miami is not trading Bam unless the player coming back is Jokic, Doncic, Giannis, or Embiid.

I am actually curious if MIami will go after Lillard or Beal in the summer. It would take Lowry, Robinson, and Herro to get either done. Sign Covington. Re-sign Oladipo.

Bam / Dedmon / Yurtseven
Tucker / Covington
Butler / Martin
Oladipo / Strus
Lillard / Vincent

So Bam who is arguably not even a top 15 player would only be traded for top 5-7 players? Especially when Bam is what he is on offense?

I honestly think he's in the same Herro boat other than having already had the benefit of getting paid. He also has the benefit of playing with the first unit and being shielded by not being asked to even contribute consistently offensively. I mean I wouldn't even want to imagine Bam trying to carry an offense, it'd be a nightmare. So he is very far from being untouchable if he continues sucking the way he has.

He’s much more valuable than Herro as a trade piece and it isn’t even close. Only 24 years old averaging 19-10-4 while being arguably the best defender in the world on the 1st seed in the East. Herro is just a scorer.

I'm talking about in terms of not being untouchable if the right offer comes along. Same as Herro. The offer would be higher for Bam for sure, but same boat as far as being tradeable because they'd have proven to not be enough as key pieces on a championship caliber team. That's if this current play continues of course.

[3ammy3uck3ts]

Pat just took the TWolves from the cellar to the yoffs in one season.

He’s at the very best the 4 best player on that team. Solid role player that I wouldn’t mind having myself, hell we were the ones that found him, but he’s simply just a role player. Hell never be near all star level

I think he was in all-star consideration one season in LA. Anyways he, like Bam, do the little things that go unnoticed. Besides, we were winning with Yurt too so I don't see Bam as irreplaceable, especially for Ingram.

Winning will cure all doubts. No 2nd round choke jobs with weak stats please

He’s been fighting a quad injury and just came off having Covid with no practice time before the playoffs and his impact has still been elite. I’m not mad at it. Rest up before the 2nd round and work off some rust and we’ll be good to go.

[harlem_ball]

No I would not but I’d love to pair them in the front court.

That's the homer in you speaking probably, but fine. Ok. You really respect Adebayo that much. He's good but we gotta win it now or im trading high.

Ingrams a very very good offensive player who’s average at best defensively and has never won anything.

Bam is the best defender in the world and a good offensive player who averages 19 and makes plays for our offense.

He’s developing that side still. Shot 43% on jumpers this season. He will continue to grow. Guys are chomping at the bit to play with someone like Bam, Lillard said it himself. The Hawks drafted that Onyeka dude in hopes he would be the next Bam, they said it at the draft. Those who know ball and understand his impact appreciate him, box score watchers who only care about PPG don’t. It why we see Herro on such a high pedestal here.

I understand what you are saying theoretically and on a PR level, but like I said, the team was winning w/o him and playing a different style. I guess theres a higher ceiling with the current style so let's see it work it's magic. If it fails the guy just isn't an aggressive offensive player and that flaw is enough to sell high on him

[harlem_ball]

He’s at the very best the 4 best player on that team. Solid role player that I wouldn’t mind having myself, hell we were the ones that found him, but he’s simply just a role player. Hell never be near all star level

I think he was in all-star consideration one season in LA. Anyways he, like Bam, do the little things that go unnoticed. Besides, we were winning with Yurt too so I don't see Bam as irreplaceable, especially for Ingram.

Winning will cure all doubts. No 2nd round choke jobs with weak stats please

He’s been fighting a quad injury and just came off having Covid with no practice time before the playoffs and his impact has still been elite. I’m not mad at it. Rest up before the 2nd round and work off some rust and we’ll be good to go.

Fair enough. I hope you are right. I like the guys attitude, motor and demeanor.

[rate_]

Why can't Bam play more like this (from 5:20) when Jimmy was gone: much more aggressive and putting pressure at the rim.

Watch on YouTube

[harlem_ball]

Why can't Bam play more like this (from 5:20) when Jimmy was gone: much more aggressive and putting pressure at the rim.

Watch on YouTube

Probably cause he's spending all of his energy on defense and it works for us ... I guess?

[HeatFanLifer]

Spo is now a Dipo believer. He’s going to be a fixture from here on out. Duncan is done.

If Duncan is on the team past this offseason, it’s because Riley coukd not get rid of him. What a terrible signing. I called it from the moment it happened. This dude sucks.

Oh no you get no credit for that, I was calling it before Miami played 50 games last year.

I just expect to see Duncan join the starting to become long line of recently overpaid Miami made players... T.Johnson, J.Johnson, D.Waiters and Whiteside and then 1 year later asking why Miami gave him that contract.

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We can share the credit

[HEATVols865]

Spo is now a Dipo believer. He’s going to be a fixture from here on out. Duncan is done.

What makes you think he’s a believer? We’ve seen him get production from players and then just park them on the bench forever…


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[SA37]

We would have lost that trade big time. Turner disappears too often and Sabonis is no more of a go to scorer than Bam.

Sabonis is a better offensive player than Bam, but Bam is light years better than Sabonis on defense. Adebayo is a much more capable offensive player than what he is showing in the Atlanta series, though.

At any rate, Miami is not trading Bam unless the player coming back is Jokic, Doncic, Giannis, or Embiid.

I am actually curious if MIami will go after Lillard or Beal in the summer. It would take Lowry, Robinson, and Herro to get either done. Sign Covington. Re-sign Oladipo.

Bam / Dedmon / Yurtseven
Tucker / Covington
Butler / Martin
Oladipo / Strus
Lillard / Vincent

Does this team get the senior citizen discount at Disney World?

Not after De Santis's shenanigans

That team would have a 3-4 year window, which is about as much as you can ask for. Lowry is older than everyone and Robinson is not a building block. Herro is the hard piece to give up, but you have to give to get. If Miami traded for Beal instead of Lillard, he'd only be 32 at the end of the 3-year window.

I don't know if Miami would consider this -- and that offer could certainly be beaten by some teams.

[SA37]

Spoiler:

We would have lost that trade big time. Turner disappears too often and Sabonis is no more of a go to scorer than Bam.

Sabonis is a better offensive player than Bam, but Bam is light years better than Sabonis on defense. Adebayo is a much more capable offensive player than what he is showing in the Atlanta series, though.

At any rate, Miami is not trading Bam unless the player coming back is Jokic, Doncic, Giannis, or Embiid.

I am actually curious if MIami will go after Lillard or Beal in the summer. It would take Lowry, Robinson, and Herro to get either done. Sign Covington. Re-sign Oladipo.

Bam / Dedmon / Yurtseven
Tucker / Covington
Butler / Martin
Oladipo / Strus
Lillard / Vincent

So Bam who is arguably not even a top 15 player would only be traded for top 5-7 players? Especially when Bam is what he is on offense?

I honestly think he's in the same Herro boat other than having already had the benefit of getting paid. He also has the benefit of playing with the first unit and being shielded by not being asked to even contribute consistently offensively. I mean I wouldn't even want to imagine Bam trying to carry an offense, it'd be a nightmare. So he is very far from being untouchable if he continues sucking the way he has.

Miami is defense-first organization and Bam fits that perfectly. With Butler, Miami doesn't need Bam to be a top-15 player. He's a perennial DPOY candidate and is a 20-a-game scorer. How many other bigs fit that category? He is exactly the kind of player Miami looks for not only for his skills, but for the way he plays and the way he can set the tone culturally.

Look at the issues teams have to deal with with guys like Irving, Kawhi, Zion, Harden...etc. Character and personality matter.

[Kobewade11]

Miami is defense-first organization and Bam fits that perfectly. With Butler, Miami doesn't need Bam to be a top-15 player. He's a perennial DPOY candidate and is a 20-a-game scorer. How many other bigs fit that category? He is exactly the kind of player Miami looks for not only for his skills, but for the way he plays and the way he can set the tone culturally.

Look at the issues teams have to deal with with guys like Irving, Kawhi, Zion, Harden...etc. Character and personality matter.

Between Bam and Herro, both are going to have to step it up in the scoring department. Bam in particular - the defensive stuff is nice but he’s playing on a max contract, 10 points a game isnt going to cut if we are serious about contending for a championship. Jimmy is going to need help.

I also have to push back on this notion that we dont need Bam to be a top 15 player. Isnt that the kind of leap that drastically raises the ceiling for this team?

[BFRESH44]

I’m going to need Spo to refrain from the Herro-Duncan lineups the rest of the playoffs. I hate that it takes an injury for him to do things that make sense lol. Herro minutes should be staggered with 4 other plus defenders. Ditto for Duncan. Never together. And the metrics prove this to be the case.

Can’t see how Dipo isn’t a fixture moving forward now. You’ll need those particular set of skills out there. Particularly that point of attack defense.

[3ammy3uck3ts]

Why can't Bam play more like this (from 5:20) when Jimmy was gone: much more aggressive and putting pressure at the rim.

Watch on YouTube

I would say because as you said Jimmy was gone so Spo actually made it a priority to go through Bam and have him score.