Sunday, March 19th 6:00 ET Miami Heat (38-34) @ Detroit Pistons (16-55)

[3ballbomber]

I should give Lowry more respect. Its a little different w/ him in vs Vincent being in

Through our losses people forget we've had no legit starting point. Though not playing to his standards, Lowry has veteran savvy IQ needed to run this team - it's why we got him here.

[3ballbomber]

we struggling against the worse team in the league without their top player but im not worried. Stubborness for the win.

That's what can makes this stretch of PO positioning tough as teams out of contention play the spoiler role. They come into games w/ no pressure & just play w/ no consequences. Just happy to get the W here.

[Hallstar]

I guess we'll get to see that if Miami makes it past the play-in game. I'm pretty sure he's not going to do that well against good defenders on him. Catch and Shoot, sure, anything else... no.

I remember when we could trade him in the offseason because we had Oladipo

You can trade him with or without Oladipo. Hard to believe that this team could actually win games without him playing huh? So far Miami is 7-7 without Herro and 3 of those loses were without Bam with a guy still in HS starting in his place.

Also, Oladipo isn't a PG, he's a SG and needs a PG handing the ball and not him, not sure why he's been playing PG.

Don't go down that foolish road. You'll end up with a bunch of "bu bu bu bu but that was different" and going around in circles if other players w/l get brought up.

As far as Oladipo, he's a shooting guard that can't shoot. They hoped putting him on ball could get him going. He just took shots out of his wheelhouse.

[AirP.]

I remember when we could trade him in the offseason because we had Oladipo

You can trade him with or without Oladipo. Hard to believe that this team could actually win games without him playing huh? So far Miami is 7-7 without Herro and 3 of those loses were without Bam with a guy still in HS starting in his place.

Also, Oladipo isn't a PG, he's a SG and needs a PG handing the ball and not him, not sure why he's been playing PG.

Don't go down that foolish road. You'll end up with a bunch of "bu bu bu bu but that was different" and going around in circles if other players w/l get brought up.

As far as Oladipo, he's a shooting guard that can't shoot. They hoped putting him on ball could get him going. He just took shots out of his wheelhouse.

Sure, and in regular season thread I've been saying since the beginning of this year (2023) that Spoelstra may need to limit his role to being just a defensive stopper because he's been inconsistent.

Just because Oladipo never got consistent doesn't mean it changes anything with Miami giving Herro 30 million a year for the next 4 years being a huge liability on the defensive end and very inconsistent on the offensive end. Until that last little hot streak Herro was close to missing more shots than points he made which was a big reason why this game was close in the end.

Had Miami not given Herro an extension last summer he would have been much easier to move this season and if he wasn't moved, they could have let him go out and get a contract and just matched it. I doubt anyone else would have been good giving Herro anywhere near what Miami gave him last summer. Just another bad contract to throw on the growing pile of bad contracts handed out since LeBron left. Herro and Robinson will make the same amount of money as Butler(a max player) does next year, let that sink in.

[gom]

Had Miami not given Herro an extension last summer he would have been much easier to move this season and if he wasn't moved, they could have let him go out and get a contract and just matched it. I doubt anyone else would have been good giving Herro anywhere near what Miami gave him last summer. Just another bad contract to throw on the growing pile of bad contracts handed out since LeBron left. Herro and Robinson will make the same amount of money as Butler(a max player) does next year, let that sink in.

Huh?



Maybe you mean their "combined" salary? In any case, Herro's contract is a good NBA deal.

[AirP.]

Had Miami not given Herro an extension last summer he would have been much easier to move this season and if he wasn't moved, they could have let him go out and get a contract and just matched it. I doubt anyone else would have been good giving Herro anywhere near what Miami gave him last summer. Just another bad contract to throw on the growing pile of bad contracts handed out since LeBron left. Herro and Robinson will make the same amount of money as Butler(a max player) does next year, let that sink in.

Huh?

Spoiler:

Maybe you mean their "combined" salary? In any case, Herro's contract is a good NBA deal.

Yes combined, I thought that was implied how I wrote it, maybe not, sorry for that.

No, a 20 ppg scorer that isn't efficient and doesn't play defense is not worth that contract if you want to win a championship. I hope Miami somehow makes the 2nd round; I'm really interested in seeing how well Herro does in the playoffs since he's scored 20 points in 2 of his last 19 playoff games while averaging 11.9 points during that stretch.

[Vertical Limit]

Had Miami not given Herro an extension last summer he would have been much easier to move this season and if he wasn't moved, they could have let him go out and get a contract and just matched it. I doubt anyone else would have been good giving Herro anywhere near what Miami gave him last summer. Just another bad contract to throw on the growing pile of bad contracts handed out since LeBron left. Herro and Robinson will make the same amount of money as Butler(a max player) does next year, let that sink in.

Huh?

Spoiler:

Maybe you mean their "combined" salary? In any case, Herro's contract is a good NBA deal.

Yes combined, I thought that was implied how I wrote it, maybe not, sorry for that.

No, a 20 ppg scorer that isn't efficient and doesn't play defense is not worth that contract if you want to win a championship. I hope Miami somehow makes the 2nd round; I'm really interested in seeing how well Herro does in the playoffs since he's scored 20 points in 2 of his last 19 playoff games while averaging 11.9 points during that stretch.

I said it several times here..

A guy like Herro you let him become a restricted free agent, and he can go find a contract.. and we match that contract if we think hes worth it. You get one year less on the books, and 99% chance he doesnt get the max sheet on the open market, and that max is still less than what we gave him anyways..

My guess is he gets a contract offer similar to Duncan Robinson.. and in that case then sure match it..

We got some weird people running our books that doesnt understand the value of these players.. just overpaying everybody..

[3ammy3uck3ts]

Huh?

Spoiler:

Maybe you mean their "combined" salary? In any case, Herro's contract is a good NBA deal.

Yes combined, I thought that was implied how I wrote it, maybe not, sorry for that.

No, a 20 ppg scorer that isn't efficient and doesn't play defense is not worth that contract if you want to win a championship. I hope Miami somehow makes the 2nd round; I'm really interested in seeing how well Herro does in the playoffs since he's scored 20 points in 2 of his last 19 playoff games while averaging 11.9 points during that stretch.

I said it several times here..

A guy like Herro you let him become a restricted free agent, and he can go find a contract.. and we match that contract if we think hes worth it. You get one year less on the books, and 99% chance he doesnt get the max sheet on the open market, and that max is still less than what we gave him anyways..

My guess is he gets a contract offer similar to Duncan Robinson.. and in that case then sure match it..

We got some weird people running our books that doesnt understand the value of these players.. just overpaying everybody..

This. RFA was always the right move

[AirP.]

Huh?

Spoiler:

Maybe you mean their "combined" salary? In any case, Herro's contract is a good NBA deal.

Yes combined, I thought that was implied how I wrote it, maybe not, sorry for that.

No, a 20 ppg scorer that isn't efficient and doesn't play defense is not worth that contract if you want to win a championship. I hope Miami somehow makes the 2nd round; I'm really interested in seeing how well Herro does in the playoffs since he's scored 20 points in 2 of his last 19 playoff games while averaging 11.9 points during that stretch.

I said it several times here..

A guy like Herro you let him become a restricted free agent, and he can go find a contract.. and we match that contract if we think hes worth it. You get one year less on the books, and 99% chance he doesnt get the max sheet on the open market, and that max is still less than what we gave him anyways..

My guess is he gets a contract offer similar to Duncan Robinson.. and in that case then sure match it..

We got some weird people running our books that doesnt understand the value of these players.. just overpaying everybody..

This is what Chicago did with LaVine after his rookie contract, of course he wanted the max after being the main guy traded for in the Jimmy Butler trade which at the time so the max for him was 5 years at 146 million, what he got was an offer sheet from Sacramento for 4 years at 80 million which Chicago instantly matched. If it's not a no brainer max contract, let them go to free agency unless they give a nice discount for a long-term contract.

I still don't know who would have given D.Robinson anything near the contract Miami gave him.

[gom]

Was that the 22-60 Chicago team that matched? I forgot how great those Bulls execs are. They drafted Wendell Carter Jr (at 7) the year before and Coby White (at 7) the next season. Then they got Patrick Williams at 4. Miami doesn't really get many lottery picks. We try to keep our good young players.