Miami Heat Offseason Thread vol. 1: Post Mortem

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Spoken like a man who doesn’t respect Spo clearly!

Again same as with your stats, What is he supposed to say? Do you really think he will tarnish his image by talking crap about an NBA coach? The guy is clearly an egomaniac, he will not burn his image telling the truth. The particular way you have to look at things totally trumps logic.

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So he went out of his way to tweet this about Spo and went out of his way to talk about Spo on his podcast despite not respecting him?

[MHeat0279]

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Spoken like a man who doesn’t respect Spo clearly!

Again same as with your stats, What is he supposed to say? Do you really think he will tarnish his image by talking crap about an NBA coach? The guy is clearly an egomaniac, he will not burn his image telling the truth. The particular way you have to look at things totally trumps logic.

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So he went out of his way to tweet this about Spo and went out of his way to talk about Spo on his podcast despite not respecting him?

so, you think he respects and venerate SPO. I dont
We can continue now.

[Kobewade11]

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For those that need to see stats, this is how bad Jimmy has regressed this season. He was 7th worst in the NBA on drives

The three-year, $146.4 million extension that Butler signed with the Heat in the 2021 offseason includes a guaranteed $48.8 million salary for next season and a $52.4 million player option for the 2025-26 season.
The extension that Butler will seek would replace his 2025-26 option and begin that season. This two-year max extension would include salaries of $54.3 million for the 2025-26 season (nearly a $2 million increase from the player option in Butler’s current contract for that season) and $58.6 million for the 2026-2027 season when Butler will be 37 years old.

So essentially, Butler will be asking the Heat to replace the two years and $101.2 million remaining on his contract (should he exercise the 2025-26 player option) with a three-year commitment worth $161.7 million. For perspective on those salary numbers, Butler is set to be the 11th-highest paid player in the NBA next season with a $48.8 million salary under his current contract. If Butler gets the extension that he will ask the Heat for, he would be the eighth-highest paid player in the league for the 2025-26 season (based on contracts already signed that include the 2025-26 season) with a salary of $54.3 million. Butler would also be the sixth-highest paid player for the 2026-27 season (based on contracts already signed that include the 2026-27 season) with a salary of $58.6 million.

Whether the Heat gives Butler this deal will be decided in the coming months, as the window to sign him to an extension opens July 7. With Butler expected to go for the extension that includes declining his 2025-26 player option and replacing it with a new two-year contract, the window to sign that type of deal doesn’t close until June 30, 2025. But the expectation is Butler and his camp will push for that extension before the start of the upcoming season.

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[MettaWorldPanda]

I think the Heat will give Butler his extension. After all the botched years and him carrying the team on his back they will do right by him and we should all be fine with that. I'm grateful for everything Butler has done here and he should continue to be in a Heat uniform. What the Heat need to do is finally find a way to put the 48 million invested in both Herro and Duncan to much better use. That's been a complete back hole for this team and it's chances of getting better.

[AirP.]

Butler played 60 games this season, the 2nd most since being in Miami, it probably would have been 63 games if not for a death in his family that he left the team for about a week.

Even with Butler coasting in the regular season he's still putting high level stats although he doesn't shoot as much as people want him to during the regular season.

How many games has Butler played in Miami regular seasons?
58, 52, 57, 64, 60

The way he keeps his body in shape, Butler could have another 2-4 great years (although his peak may have been last year) in him although he will have injuries, hopefully with Jaquez Jr. having a year under his belt, he can take over some of Butler's minutes in the regular season to try to keep him fresher all year long.

With this all said, of course Miami should be looking for a new #1 option, but until then you'll have some chance to make noise with Butler on the roster for the next few years.

[MettaWorldPanda]

Butler played 60 games this season, the 2nd most since being in Miami, it probably would have been 63 games if not for a death in his family that he left the team for about a week.

Even with Butler coasting in the regular season he's still putting high level stats although he doesn't shoot as much as people want him to during the regular season.

How many games has Butler played in Miami regular seasons?
58, 52, 57, 64, 60

The way he keeps his body in shape, Butler could have another 2-4 great years (although his peak may have been last year) in him although he will have injuries, hopefully with Jaquez Jr. having a year under his belt, he can take over some of Butler's minutes in the regular season to try to keep him fresher all year long.

With this all said, of course Miami should be looking for a new #1 option, but until then you'll have some chance to make noise with Butler on the roster for the next few years.

Agreed give him his extension and continue to groom JJJ so when the time is right he'll be able to fully take over in a few years. The plan at SF should be locked.

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[MHeat0279]

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Marks talks about the extension negotiations that will take place with Bam Adebayo and Jimmy Butler. He highlights that Jimmy Butler future is a thing to watch

No extension for Jimmy. He's under contract for two more years. I'm not interested in giving tens of millions of dollars to a 37 year old Jimmy Butler.

Extending him for such amount of money will be another horrible financial move by the front office. This is a business, he was good with us we paid him very well for his service. But you simply do not empty the bank on a 37 year old player.

[3ammy3uck3ts]

I think the Heat will give Butler his extension. After all the botched years and him carrying the team on his back they will do right by him and we should all be fine with that. I'm grateful for everything Butler has done here and he should continue to be in a Heat uniform. What the Heat need to do is finally find a way to put the 48 million invested in both Herro and Duncan to much better use. That's been a complete back hole for this team and it's chances of getting better.

I’m grateful that he Bam and Spo have been able to drag a bunch of undrafted players almost to the mountain top as a unit but I’m not giving a 37 year old (who doesn’t try in the regular season at 33-34) $70M a year and handicapping Bams prime with that contract when Bam is a top 20 player who several elite players want to play with. Especially when we didn’t have that same energy with our GOAT. We’ve made several horrible contract decisions over the years with Duncan Lowry and Herro, let’s not do it again here.

My hope is that Jimmy understands this and is fine to just ride it out and negotiate his new contract when the time comes, my guess is that he won’t though. Maybe he’ll be more open to it if it’s all hands on deck this summer and we get an all star and some decent pieces either through trade or vet signings.

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No extension for Jimmy. He's under contract for two more years. I'm not interested in giving tens of millions of dollars to a 37 year old Jimmy Butler.

It's quite possible if you don't you end up handing that money out that money to lesser players while Butler could be on of the best playoff guys still. Maybe you'll add some newer versions of Waiters, J.Johnson and T.Johnson to eat up the cap with.

If you think you can get under the cap enough to have a max contract to acquire a new #1 through free agency, I get it but I'm not so sure that's really possible or probable and Miami would have to tear down the roster so much, you'll waste a couple of seasons building the team back up.

[Flash4thewin]

I think the Heat will give Butler his extension. After all the botched years and him carrying the team on his back they will do right by him and we should all be fine with that. I'm grateful for everything Butler has done here and he should continue to be in a Heat uniform. What the Heat need to do is finally find a way to put the 48 million invested in both Herro and Duncan to much better use. That's been a complete back hole for this team and it's chances of getting better.

I agree with you 100%. It may not be the sexy move but it makes a lot of sense and it’s something we can use to entice future stars. The other thing not mentioned is that a pissed off Butler would destroy this team apart, so the extension is the wiser choice.

No clue on how to move or get value for Herro and Duncan this offseason. Duncan when healthy and not in a shooting slump does live up to his contract for what he provides to our team. No clue how to address Herro. Maybe Terry and Herro do click and work next season, no clue.

[MettaWorldPanda]

I think the Heat will give Butler his extension. After all the botched years and him carrying the team on his back they will do right by him and we should all be fine with that. I'm grateful for everything Butler has done here and he should continue to be in a Heat uniform. What the Heat need to do is finally find a way to put the 48 million invested in both Herro and Duncan to much better use. That's been a complete back hole for this team and it's chances of getting better.

I’m grateful that he Bam and Spo have been able to drag a bunch of undrafted players almost to the mountain top as a unit but I’m not giving a 37 year old (who doesn’t try in the regular season at 33-34) $70M a year and handicapping Bams prime with that contract when Bam is a top 20 player who several elite players want to play with. Especially when we didn’t have that same energy with our GOAT. We’ve made several horrible contract decisions over the years with Duncan Lowry and Herro, let’s not do it again here.

My hope is that Jimmy understands this and is fine to just ride it out and negotiate his new contract when the time comes, my guess is that he won’t though. Maybe he’ll be more open to it if it’s all hands on deck this summer and we get an all star and some decent pieces either through trade or vet signings.

Jimmy wants a ring here. That's always been his goal. I think he'll work with us to make it happen. Let's not alienate another star like we did Wade.

[3ammy3uck3ts]

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So this extension would be removing Jimmys option season and adding 1 year to his current deal at a slightly higher rate and the 4 year $70M per year stuff a few weeks ago was false?

If that’s what it is I’m fine with it.

I know I’m sounding like a hater here but I love Jimmy and I’ve said several times I want him to finish his career here, I’m just not willing to punt seasons away for that to be the case. I really want this build (with added help this summer) to get a championship.

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So this extension would be removing Jimmys option season and adding 1 year to his current deal at a slightly higher rate and the 4 year $70M per year stuff a few weeks ago was false?

If that’s what it is I’m fine with it.

I know I’m sounding like a hater here but I love Jimmy and I’ve said several times I want him to finish his career here, I’m just not willing to punt seasons away for that to be the case. I really want this build (with added help this summer) to get a championship.

Absolute no brainer as mentioned. This will get done and we will all feel good about it

[3ammy3uck3ts]

I think the Heat will give Butler his extension. After all the botched years and him carrying the team on his back they will do right by him and we should all be fine with that. I'm grateful for everything Butler has done here and he should continue to be in a Heat uniform. What the Heat need to do is finally find a way to put the 48 million invested in both Herro and Duncan to much better use. That's been a complete back hole for this team and it's chances of getting better.

I’m grateful that he Bam and Spo have been able to drag a bunch of undrafted players almost to the mountain top as a unit but I’m not giving a 37 year old (who doesn’t try in the regular season at 33-34) $70M a year and handicapping Bams prime with that contract when Bam is a top 20 player who several elite players want to play with. Especially when we didn’t have that same energy with our GOAT. We’ve made several horrible contract decisions over the years with Duncan Lowry and Herro, let’s not do it again here.

My hope is that Jimmy understands this and is fine to just ride it out and negotiate his new contract when the time comes, my guess is that he won’t though. Maybe he’ll be more open to it if it’s all hands on deck this summer and we get an all star and some decent pieces either through trade or vet signings.

Jimmy wants a ring here. That's always been his goal. I think he'll work with us to make it happen. Let's not alienate another star like we did Wade.

I agree but everyone has to get on the same page. Like Jimmy Spo bam Riley Andy etc. all need to be getting together in the next couple weeks and hashing out all the details and they need to let it be known to the front office that it’s time to make some tough moves and get legit talent in here to give them the best chance.

I strongly believe if you Jimmy Bam and Spo that elite 3 level scorer and solid veteran role players they will
Take care of the rest. Have thought it for years and that hasn’t changed

[MorbidHEAT]

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Can you post it, for those of us who don’t have and don’t intend on paying for Miami Herald?

[3ammy3uck3ts]

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So this extension would be removing Jimmys option season and adding 1 year to his current deal at a slightly higher rate and the 4 year $70M per year stuff a few weeks ago was false?

If that’s what it is I’m fine with it.

I know I’m sounding like a hater here but I love Jimmy and I’ve said several times I want him to finish his career here, I’m just not willing to punt seasons away for that to be the case. I really want this build (with added help this summer) to get a championship.

Absolute no brainer as mentioned. This will get done and we will all feel good about it

I still think it all hinges on getting that 3rd guy. Someone has to come help bridge that gap from the beginning of the regular season until the end while Jimmy is doing his thing and preserving his body. Do I think at full health we could’ve won the East again as an 8th seed this year? Yes. But that shouldn’t be the goal. We need to position ourselves the best we can seeding wise.

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