Miami Heat Offseason Thread Vol. 4: Fraudfather Snoozin 2.0

[Johnny Fontane]

The cherry on top will be when Dru Smith gets more burn than Ware or Pelle, while providing Dru Smith things..... which is nothing, but he'll be Spo's new favorite player.

At that point, fans will stop watching completely. No more Spo pet projects should be the top priority next season once the run it back is complete

[eddieheatfan]

The cherry on top will be when Dru Smith gets more burn than Ware or Pelle, while providing Dru Smith things..... which is nothing, but he'll be Spo's new favorite player.

i'm still befuddled by this acquisition

[batterybro42]

2026-2027 FA class

Fox, Luka, Curry, Lillard, Trae, SGA, many more.

Think about this every time we send a contract into that year.

Luka, SGA, Curry and Fox would have early extensions if I'm willing to bet.

It is very rare now you see an A+ tier superstar to test free agency, they usually secure the bag ASAP.

Luka if they don’t win a ring the next two years will see free agency. His brand potential eclipses that of his contract. Do you see him sitting in his prime in a losing situation around washed vets, and a bad Coach? Dallas has two years to make this shake with Luka. If they don’t he GONE.

Been my vibe on this deal for a long time. I think Luka in the right situation actually being coached can be an all time great. I don’t think Dallas is the place for that and it will be demonstrated come that time.

[Wiltside]

The cherry on top will be when Dru Smith gets more burn than Ware or Pelle, while providing Dru Smith things..... which is nothing, but he'll be Spo's new favorite player.

Haywood Highsmith walked so Dru Smith could run…with a busted ACL…

[marson]

2026-2027 FA class

Fox, Luka, Curry, Lillard, Trae, SGA, many more.

Think about this every time we send a contract into that year.

Luka, SGA, Curry and Fox would have early extensions if I'm willing to bet.

It is very rare now you see an A+ tier superstar to test free agency, they usually secure the bag ASAP.

Luka if they don’t win a ring the next two years will see free agency. His brand potential eclipses that of his contract. Do you see him sitting in his prime in a losing situation around washed vets, and a bad Coach? Dallas has two years to make this shake with Luka. If they don’t he GONE.

Been my vibe on this deal for a long time. I think Luka in the right situation actually being coached can be an all time great. I don’t think Dallas is the place for that and it will be demonstrated come that time.

With the new TV deal coming, the Mavs would definitely offer 300+ million to Luka, that's very hard to refuse regardless if they have a good roster or not.

[Daffy]

DeRozan is turning 35 in August. Adding him doesn't move me but offloading Tyler does

After thinking about it all day the Derozan situation i hope we pass. Tyler has his faults but trading him for a rental who will not move the needle is silly. We all want something new to wash off the stink but i support Bam and the youth movement. Interested to see what spo does with Bam jovic and Ware

I think the main get in the Herro trade is the massive cap relief and hopefully and asset or 2 from a young team like Detroit or Utah or something. Adding a better player in Derozan on a solid and short deal is just an added bonus. Like Lavine one of the very few scenarios where we can get an all star AND an asset out of it for someone we view as a negative in Herro. Have to jump at it if we can

This is the thought process I can can get behind of. It's the trades that obviously make us worst where I'm like it's just blind hate and makes no sense.

[Daffy]

I remember the days where players left money on contracts because they could make it up in endorsements depending on the city. Seems like that doesn't even matter anymore.

[marson]

I remember the days where players left money on contracts because they could make it up in endorsements depending on the city. Seems like that doesn't even matter anymore.

It also helps balanced the league now when small market can keep their homegrown talent. It's drafting and development era now.

[3ammy3uck3ts]

I remember the days where players left money on contracts because they could make it up in endorsements depending on the city. Seems like that doesn't even matter anymore.

And they make a **** ton more money now lol

[Rapaz]

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The gloves are off. The Fraudfather is keeping this fanbase on that crouton diet and Barry is not having it.

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[Johnny Fontane]

I remember the days where players left money on contracts because they could make it up in endorsements depending on the city. Seems like that doesn't even matter anymore.

It also helps balanced the league now when small market can keep their homegrown talent. It's drafting and development era now.

Yep. Until the franchise has major philosophical change, they will continue to stagnate. The butler era while provided some iconic playoff moments has also led to complacency and pretty much temporarily masked a bigger problem with the Heat front office and ownership

Any talk not related to building through the draft and finding real franchise cornerstones feeds into stagnation cycle the team is in right now

[Wiltside]

I remember the days where players left money on contracts because they could make it up in endorsements depending on the city. Seems like that doesn't even matter anymore.

It also helps balanced the league now when small market can keep their homegrown talent. It's drafting and development era now.

Yep. Until the franchise has major philosophical change, they will continue to stagnate. The butler era while provided some iconic playoff moments has also led to complacency and pretty much temporarily masked a bigger problem with the Heat front office and ownership

Any talk not related to building through the draft and finding real franchise cornerstones feeds into stagnation cycle the team is in right now still living in 2010

Tbf we have started to build through the draft. Bam and Tyler were both excellent picks, Jovic looks like he could be something and Jaime was a steal at 18. This offseason we’ve drafted Ware and Pelle, and refreshed our 2 ways with Pullin and Johnson.

The difference is we haven’t had that high lotto pick that DoM is craving for to be the centre piece. Jimmy is the current centre piece, but at 35yrs old and injury prone, he’s better utilized as a second option than a first at this stage of his career. The disappointing element was that one of Tyler or Bam needed to ascend to a higher plane offensively. While arguably both have made strides, they aren’t first options and probably never will be.

Bam adds plenty of other skills to make him a highly valuable piece to build with. Herro has become too much of a defensive liability and failed to put on and maintain more muscle on his frame to withstand a full regular season of high level play.

We can run it back, but unless there’s significant changes in rotation and responsibilities, it’s madness to expect anything else other than another play in and first round exit.

[SerialChiller]

I just don't want us to treadmill with Butler until we lose him for nothing or sign him to another massive deal as he ages. Get something for him now hopefully some picks and lets roll with Bam, JJJ, Jovic, Ware, etc youth movement. Also get rid of Herro and Duncan if at all possible to create some cap space and room for these guys to play more. Anyone who doesn't fit that timeline can go. It's time to commit to developing these guys and not wasting a few more years pretending we have enough when we clearly don't. And that's if healthy which we never are with these guys either. The time to build around Butler has come and gone, we failed to get him another offensive star and it's too late now especially since we won't manage it again this year.

[marson]

Feels like we would only see washed up stars to test free agency from now on.

All these young superstars in the league would get offer 300+ million on their face a year before their contract ends, and you are crazy if you refuse that.

It's now building on draft, and hopefully we can develop stars. How the Spurs developed late draftees like Parker and Ginobili and turned them to HoF all stars still boggles my mind.

[SerialChiller]

I'd love to see us focus on getting a promising young PG prospect either in a Butler trade or with a 1st rounder next year that we could also get from a Butler trade. A lineup of (young PG)/JJJ/Jovic/Bam/Ware with Rozier as 6th man would be fun to watch. If JJJ can't play SG or Jovic can't play the 3 well enough defense wise then we'd have to find another wing piece to make things fit a bit better, but we'd have depth. I think that could work at least in theory, only one way to find out. Would be a nice big lineup for a change!

[insfo]

I’m all for trading Herro, and in fact I’d be very disappointed if he is on the roster when the season starts, but that will not solve the problem.

At that point Bam will become the next one who faces scrutiny. He’s a great 3rd piece on a championship team, where the top 2 are elite scorers, and good defenders. Something like Mitchell, KD, Bam. That’s what it would take to make a winning squad. Right now Herro is trying to be that elite scorer, and he most definitely is not.

So even if we remove him, we still have Bam and Jimmy paid like first options on a team without a first or even second championship option. I’d hope Bam can grow into the role and be more assertive on offense, but we’ve all seen this song and dance for the lasy few years. Good talk before the season, then revert to being a deer in the headlights when faced with someone remotely able to protect the rim, and fall back on that darn dribble-handoff game

As someone said before, it’s breathtaking really that we are tinkering with the end of the bench, handing over guaranteed contracts without fixing the top of the roster.

We don’t need to get Bam or even Jimmy at this stage any help. We need to bring in players that those 2 can help take us to the promised land. And until that happens, I really hope we invest in draft picks and hope one of the young ones is the next big star.

[3ammy3uck3ts]

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[MorbidHEAT]

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Barry is on the verge of a full mental breakdown.

[Daffy]

I remember the days where players left money on contracts because they could make it up in endorsements depending on the city. Seems like that doesn't even matter anymore.

It also helps balanced the league now when small market can keep their homegrown talent. It's drafting and development era now.

To be fair and honest. Outside of our play off runs I enjoyed this post season a lot. Hated seeing Boston win but I enjoyed watching OKC, Dallas, Orlando, Minny, Denver, Indy all make noise. So yeah it has helped with the balance to be honest.

[Daffy]

It also helps balanced the league now when small market can keep their homegrown talent. It's drafting and development era now.

Yep. Until the franchise has major philosophical change, they will continue to stagnate. The butler era while provided some iconic playoff moments has also led to complacency and pretty much temporarily masked a bigger problem with the Heat front office and ownership

Any talk not related to building through the draft and finding real franchise cornerstones feeds into stagnation cycle the team is in right now still living in 2010

Tbf we have started to build through the draft. Bam and Tyler were both excellent picks, Jovic looks like he could be something and Jaime was a steal at 18. This offseason we’ve drafted Ware and Pelle, and refreshed our 2 ways with Pullin and Johnson.

The difference is we haven’t had that high lotto pick that DoM is craving for to be the centre piece. Jimmy is the current centre piece, but at 35yrs old and injury prone, he’s better utilized as a second option than a first at this stage of his career. The disappointing element was that one of Tyler or Bam needed to ascend to a higher plane offensively. While arguably both have made strides, they aren’t first options and probably never will be.

Bam adds plenty of other skills to make him a highly valuable piece to build with. Herro has become too much of a defensive liability and failed to put on and maintain more muscle on his frame to withstand a full regular season of high level play.

We can run it back, but unless there’s significant changes in rotation and responsibilities, it’s madness to expect anything else other than another play in and first round exit.

I think we're slowly leaning towards that. We just need some luck in landing that home run talent late since chances are we wont draft top 3. Like Bucks did with Giannis or Denver with Jokic. I do think out young core pieces has potential.