Who are the Bulls going to take with the number one

DBurks2818 · Post #101 » by **DBurks2818** » Thu May 22, 2008 4:33 am

I've heard multiple times now that Hinrich isn't even a true point guard. This is news to me.

How did he get that big contract then?

Post #102 » by **GameTime_3** » Thu May 22, 2008 4:56 am

How did K. Hinrich become so bad. He was the one guy i feared on the bulls and now he is Jason williams. Yes his contract is but he is still a very good PG. The guy is a Pure PG to say the least. When i was at the arena and i saw that Bulls got the pick, My first thought was, Damn they get Beasley. They need a Post player and not a PG. Would he get this much love if he was from Texas not Chi-Town?

Miami's Finest · Post #103 » by **Miami's Finest** » Thu May 22, 2008 5:09 am

Ira's source says the Bulls are taking Beasley.

However, a source familiar with the dealings said Wednesday that the Bulls have laid out a plan to take Beasley, with Heat President Pat Riley left with Rose.

The insider insisted, "No. 1 and No. 2 are booked and done."

http://www.sun-sentinel.com/sports/sfl- ... 5638.story

However for them to be that confident at this point his source could be WatChOut

bullzman23 · Post #104 » by **bullzman23** » Thu May 22, 2008 7:42 am

its game time wrote:How did K. Hinrich become so bad. He was the one guy i feared on the bulls and now he is Jason williams. Yes his contract is but he is still a very good PG. The guy is a Pure PG to say the least. When i was at the arena and i saw that Bulls got the pick, My first thought was, Damn they get Beasley. They need a Post player and not a PG. Would he get this much love if he was from Texas not Chi-Town?

That is incorrect. Hinrich is not a very good point guard. He can find someone if they are open, but he's awful at creating for his teammates.

Trust the Bulls fans on this...it will be Rose.

Tri_N · Post #105 » by **Tri_N** » Thu May 22, 2008 7:49 am

Lastly, there have been reports during the season that the Bulls organization and players have grown frustrated with Hinrich's incompetence at pg. At one point, Paxson went out and admitted that they might have to look for other possible solutions at pg.

Derrick Rose will be the pick for the Bulls. He just makes too much sense from a basketball and financial standpoint.

bullzman23 · Post #106 » by **bullzman23** » Thu May 22, 2008 7:53 am

Also, if you look at the roster makeup, our front-court actually has more keepers:

Two lotto picks (Noah and Thomas ... technically Simmons was also a lotto pick)

One unexpected role player (Gray)

One solid post-presence (Gooden)

Two versatile guys who play PF part time (Noce and Deng)

In the back-court we have Sefolosha and Gordon who seem like keepers. Duhon seems like he's done in Chicago. That leaves Hughes and Hinrich who are expected to be shopped.

Post #107 » by **Heat11114** » Thu May 22, 2008 7:59 am

bullzman23 wrote:Also, if you look at the roster makeup, our front-court actually has more keepers:

Two lotto picks (Noah and Thomas ... technically Simmons was also a lotto pick)

One unexpected role player (Gray)

One solid post-presence (Gooden)

Two versatile guys who play PF part time (Noce and Deng)

In the back-court we have Sefolosha and Gordon who seem like keepers. Duhon seems like he's done in Chicago. That leaves Hughes and Hinrich who are expected to be shopped.

That's being quite generous of your front court. The same things could be said about the backcourt (Two lotto picks if they resign Gordon), and a huge cap black hole (Hughes). Calling Gooden a solid post presence is generous to say the least.

Not to mention when has lotto pick=success? Check the record of picks after the top 5 and you'll see a lot of role players and a fair bit of guys who did nothing in the NBA.

Either way, it doesn't really matter to me. I'm content with either pick.

bullzman23 · Post #108 » by **bullzman23** » Thu May 22, 2008 8:06 am

Heat11114 wrote:-= original quote snipped =-

That's being quite generous of your front court. The same things could be said about the backcourt (Two lotto picks if they resign Gordon), and a huge cap black hole (Hughes). Calling Gooden a solid post presence is generous to say the least.

Not to mention when has lotto pick=success? Check the record of picks after the top 5 and you'll see a lot of role players and a fair bit of guys who did nothing in the NBA.

Either way, it doesn't really matter to me. I'm content with either pick.

The lotto picks are very relevant considering that they were Paxson's last two draft picks. Thomas was the second overall pick, and he believed in him enough to take him over Aldridge. He knew he was a project and would take time to develop. It'd seem a bit odd for him to forget all that and go with Beasley. Anyway, the Bulls already have five young players who can play PF. At least three of them seem like they'll be part of the future.

Also, calling Gooden a solid post player isn't a stretch at all. He averaged 14, 9, and a block,on 46% shooting. That's the definition of solid. How much more solid can ya get?

As for Gordon...well he plays shooting guard mostly. Sefolosha plays it entirely. Hughes is going to be jettisoned as soon as we get the chance. It'd be stupid to let him dictating our draft selection. That'd be like allowing Antoine Walker to dictate yours.

That leaves us with Hinrich at the point. After his awful season, I don't think Paxson would pass on Rose, especially when we have a lot of big bodies to develop.

HIF · Post #109 » by **HIF** » Thu May 22, 2008 10:20 am

I'd be interested in Hinrich and noc

Post #110 » by **kyphi** » Thu May 22, 2008 2:22 pm

HIF wrote:I'd be interested in Hinrich and noc

me too, both of them are scrappers - I'm hoping Hinrich just had a bad season

Post #111 » by **heat4life** » Thu May 22, 2008 2:54 pm

I don't think Hinrich is the type of PG the Bulls need. They don't have players who can create on their own making it extremely important for them to get a ball distributor rather than a scoring PG like Hinrich (this is why they prefer Rose).

At the end Skiles wore out Hinrich and his demanding on Deng and Gordon to play like stars and create offense went ignored once they didn't receive the contracts they wanted.

Chicago's chemistry which was their most important trait in previous years was gone and a nightmare develop. I believe Hinrich would be great next to Wade because all he has to do is bring the ball up court allow Wade to create and spot up for a 3 or cut the basket. And the fact that he plays defense is a plus.

I don't see him as anything more than a 12ppg scorer and 6apg guy. But he would be more valuable on our roster than in Chicagos. Nocioni would be another nice player to replace Marion as well. He can play D and hit the open shot.

We would automatically fill our PG need and add two shooters who can defend to our roster. All that for Marion's expiring. It makes a lot of sense ONLY if we draft Beasley.

JohnEX · Post #112 » by **JohnEX** » Thu May 22, 2008 2:59 pm

hinrich and nocioni for marion works for me. do the salaries work out in a trade?

the bulls can have rose as far as i'm concerned. michael beasley is no consolation prize. i'm confident that riley can find a rajon rondo or derek fisher out there that can work with a core of wade, marion, beasley.

if riley trades the pick or gets a massive brain fart and chooses jerryd bayless due to need i'm going to explode and never watch the nba again.

Post #113 » by **heat4life** » Thu May 22, 2008 3:03 pm

Marion for Nocioni and Hinrich works salary-wise but I believe they are both BYC.

Post #114 » by **Flash3** » Thu May 22, 2008 3:54 pm

JohnEX wrote:hinrich and nocioni for marion works for me. do the salaries work out in a trade?

the bulls can have rose as far as i'm concerned. michael beasley is no consolation prize. i'm confident that riley can find a rajon rondo or derek fisher out there that can work with a core of wade, marion, beasley.

if riley trades the pick or gets a massive brain fart and chooses jerryd bayless due to need i'm going to explode and never watch the nba again.

Riley has a knack for finding productive PGs that flourish in Miami.

Chris Quinn might fit that bill, too.

anorexorcism · Post #115 » by **anorexorcism** » Thu May 22, 2008 5:17 pm

I feel like either Rose/Beasley could be a good fit on your team, while I really really would love to have Rose on the Bulls (and Beasley not so much).

With Rose, D-Wade will erupt for a 30 ppg season next year (provided he stays healthy).

With Beasley, D-Wade will draw all the double teams and will find Beasley open all day in the paint.

It's a win-win for you guys, whoever you get. You already have your superstar, he will either feed off the rook (Rose) or grab the rook by the arm and bring him up to a fellow superstar level (Beasley).

Unfortunatley we don't have that luxury.

On another note, isn't it amazing how we were duking it out in the first round the last two years, and this year we are once again the talk of May?

Magilla_Gorilla · Post #116 » by **Magilla_Gorilla** » Thu May 22, 2008 7:34 pm

Both teams are going to get great players - there are no losers in the top 2.

I'd prefer the Bulls draft Rose. While everyone likes to point at low-post scoring as the main problem - it was really our PG play that killed us.

82games stats show that PG was our worst position by production, while PF was our best.

The Bulls have Gooden and Thomas at the PF, and while neither are close to Beasley - they are productive. Gooden averaged 14 & 9 as a Bull last season, and Tyrus still has another season to get it together (He averaged 10&9 in April).

PG on the other hand was handled by Hinrich, Gordon, and Duhon. The only pure PG on the roster is Duhon, and he's either hungover or drunk most of the time. Hinrich is a combo-guard and would absolutely kill playing next to someone like Wade. Gordon isn't a PG - ever.

I think most Bulls fans believe that Rose will make everyone on our team better. We have a frontcourt of running/jumping big guys and we don't have a PG capable of getting them the ball. We also lack a guard that can get into the lane and finish - or pass - like Rose can. I don't care that he is a hometown guy - so was Eddy Curry, and my happiest day was when they shipped his chubby ass to NY.

Either way though - we get a great player and so does Miami. Its a great time to be a fan of both teams.

CB4MiamiHeat · Post #117 » by **CB4MiamiHeat** » Thu May 22, 2008 9:04 pm

anorexorcism wrote:With Rose, D-Wade will erupt for a 30 ppg season next year (provided he stays healthy).

Rose will probably take away from Wades stats having the ball less...probably less points and assists than usual but more efficiency.

Not that stats matter, but just saying.

Post #118 » by **Electric Slim** » Thu May 22, 2008 9:35 pm

Check this poll out on the Bulls board:

http://www.realgm.com/boards/viewtopic.php?t=792148

CB4MiamiHeat · Post #119 » by **CB4MiamiHeat** » Thu May 22, 2008 9:39 pm

^^woooow 44-1

someone needs to make a poll here...i was sure the majority was on Rose, but people are starting to like Beasley. Looks 50-50 right now.

Post #120 » by **Lane1974** » Thu May 22, 2008 9:40 pm

do you think it's 95% in the Bulls front office minds, I doubt it