Miami Heat 2023 Off-Season Thread 1.0 - Give them Cancun!!!

[dean456]

i cant believe that people want kevin love back knowing that he's on his last legs as a basketball player.

do you guys seriously think that he can endure another 82 game season?

I don't think it's about him coming back and having a solidified playing role.

The fact that he came in and our season seemingly turned around and we made a pretty historical playoff run shows that he has value as a locker room precense.

Robinson mentioned this in the podcast he did with JJ Reddick during the playoffs saying that Love brought a whole new energy to the locker room and the group started having a lot more fun.

You bring Love back on a 2yr vet min contract which for him would be roughly 3mil and use him as a PF/C insurance in case someones resting or injured.

This is especially important next season because UD is also retiring. So his precense in the locker room will be valuable.

i see your point. however, i'm doubtful about him being effective from now on. some ppl here claim that he steals rebounds from bam and to an certain extent that its true. i want bam to get more rebounds since rebounding is really an issue with this team as currently construed.

lets see what happens.

Like I said, his role here next season would likely be a limited one. He probably won't be someone we would want to rely on to play consistent minutes.

Not sure why your concerned with him stealing Bam's rebounds. I don't care who gets the rebounds as long as we are getting them. If Loves able to rebound for us and that is a need on the team then we should be happy he's contributing,

[IceColdCubano]

Unless the consensus is that the Heat majorly fleeced the Wizards in the trade for Beal, then it’s a bad one. Riley gave scraps for Butler and Beal isn’t better than Butler.

Honestly I think the Herro, Lowry and future FRP for Beal and Monte Morris or Delon Wright makes the most sense from what I have seen.

I don't think that would be an awful trade. Beal's contract is an albatross, his production has been down from his peak in recent years and Miami would also be inheriting his no trade clause with that contract so we'd be locked in. But I think there's a very good chance that when Beal's on a team that's competing he'll get his play back to where it was a few years ago.

To me essentially its trading your young talent in Herro and a future pick for a guy that fits your timeline to win now. Lowry would be a throw in as we likely wouldn't be committed to him past next season.

It would be similar to the trade we made for Jimmy when he came here. Richardson, Whiteside, Harkless and a future FRP for Butler and Myers Leonard

There are those who are saying that Beal and Herro are equal trades with salary fill and no picks, if were adding picks Herro should not be in the trade at all. based on salary ramifications and age factor, I could potentially see Miami make this deal without Herro involved. Something Like Lowry + Duncan Robinson + 2 FRP's, and you keep Herro to use in another trade.

[dean456]

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I like the Marks trade cause it will be easier to dump Lowry’s deal. Taking Lowry out means no Monte Morris though. I’ll take either variation.

Depends how responsive Wizards would be to taking on Duncan's salary. As a rebuilding team I feel like they'd prefer the expiring money.

Not going to be much easier to trade Lowry for cap space, basically we are dealing with 5 teams, Houston, Utah, San Antonio, Pistons and OKC who would have the cap room required to absorb Lowry's contract. Would likely still cost us a pick to do that. Probably more cleaner to include Lowry in the Beal deal and get a player back we can use.

Will say though if we somehow end up trading both Herro and Robinson while losing Strus to FA. That's going to be a lot of specialist shooting we'll be lacking even if it means bringing in Beal. Hopefully he makes up for what we'd be lacking.

I think if all these moves are made and the salary dumping with the full intentions of resigning Vincent and Strus

Listening to Strus' exit interview, it sounds like he knows he's out the door.

Gabe on the other hand gave me the opposite impression. He didn't give me any inclination that he was looking to find a team elsewhere.

[Wiltside]

Sounds to me like:

Vincent / Lowry or Vet PG
Beal / Strus
Butler / Martin
Vet PF / Highsmith / Love
Adebayo / Jovic

Something like that.

[greg4012]

Unless the consensus is that the Heat majorly fleeced the Wizards in the trade for Beal, then it’s a bad one. Riley gave scraps for Butler and Beal isn’t better than Butler.

We all know fan and media consensus wins championships…

[HEATVols865]

Give me a core of Dame or Beal, Jimmy, Bam and Grant


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[MettaWorldPanda]

Been seeing some post in regards to the need of keeping Duncan and I can understand due to the recency bias but the truth is he’s making a bloated 18 million that’s constraining the cap. If Duncan was making 6 million i would say keep him. Between Duncan and Oladipo they are taking up close to 28 million in cap space. If we can free that up it can get us below the first apron allowing us the have access to the full non tax payer MLE and allow us to easily get back over the first apron and stay under the super tax to sign Strus and Vincent with bird rights. The full MLE could be used to sign a PF like Christian Wood. So think of it this way. Keep Duncan or resign Strus, Vincent, and get MLE PF?

[Wiltside]

Been seeing some post in regards to the need of keeping Duncan and I can understand due to the recency bias but the truth is he’s making a bloated 18 million that’s constraining the cap. If Duncan was making 6 million i would say keep him. Between Duncan and Oladipo they are taking up close to 28 million in cap space. If we can free that up it can get us below the first apron allowing us the have access to the full non tax payer MLE and allow us to easily get back over the first apron and stay under the super tax to sign Strus and Vincent with bird rights. The full MLE could be used to sign a PF like Christian Wood. So think of it this way. Keep Duncan or resign Strus, Vincent, and get MLE PF?

Very curious to see what PF we can land, or what the plan is in the power rotation.

[MettaWorldPanda]

Riley needs to get Oladipo in a room and slip him a brief case so he doesn’t opt into his contract. Need a Beno Udrih lifer sacrifice.

[Pokuokic]

Beal was never the same player (impact wise) once John Wall fell off, he's at his best when he's catching and shooting rather than creating non stop which is why his 3pt % went down. The looks Butler was creating in the Finals really could have used a finisher like Beal.

[Tony15]

If Jovic shows notable improvement we hopefully won't need to invest much in a seasoned PF (though I'll certainly welcome it).

Oddly enough,, PJ Tucker would've been a big help against Aaron Gordon....but eh, let PHI commit long term $$.

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[MettaWorldPanda]

Been seeing some post in regards to the need of keeping Duncan and I can understand due to the recency bias but the truth is he’s making a bloated 18 million that’s constraining the cap. If Duncan was making 6 million i would say keep him. Between Duncan and Oladipo they are taking up close to 28 million in cap space. If we can free that up it can get us below the first apron allowing us the have access to the full non tax payer MLE and allow us to easily get back over the first apron and stay under the super tax to sign Strus and Vincent with bird rights. The full MLE could be used to sign a PF like Christian Wood. So think of it this way. Keep Duncan or resign Strus, Vincent, and get MLE PF?

Very curious to see what PF we can land, or what the plan is in the power rotation.

First name thrown out has been Christian Wood. Naz Reid could also be an option but may command more then MLE.

[Pokuokic]

If the Heat want a back up PG that can score/assist maybe try land Vaso Micic he's a 2 time Euroleague MVP I think OKC owns his rights but he would never play there since they got SGA/Giddy at the point, he will be 29-30ish I think plus he also gives great size being like 6'3 and naturally just a brick build.

[Wiltside]

Wood never seemed to me as a Heat guy. I still feel Spo wants a smaller, stout 4 rather than a bigger guy…but maybe the Finals changed that.

Worth noting that Beal’s agent, Mark Bartelstein, also represents Kyle Lowry and Max Strus for what it’s worth.

[dean456]

Unless the consensus is that the Heat majorly fleeced the Wizards in the trade for Beal, then it’s a bad one. Riley gave scraps for Butler and Beal isn’t better than Butler.

Honestly I think the Herro, Lowry and future FRP for Beal and Monte Morris or Delon Wright makes the most sense from what I have seen.

I don't think that would be an awful trade. Beal's contract is an albatross, his production has been down from his peak in recent years and Miami would also be inheriting his no trade clause with that contract so we'd be locked in. But I think there's a very good chance that when Beal's on a team that's competing he'll get his play back to where it was a few years ago.

To me essentially its trading your young talent in Herro and a future pick for a guy that fits your timeline to win now. Lowry would be a throw in as we likely wouldn't be committed to him past next season.

It would be similar to the trade we made for Jimmy when he came here. Richardson, Whiteside, Harkless and a future FRP for Butler and Myers Leonard

There are those who are saying that Beal and Herro are equal trades with salary fill and no picks, if were adding picks Herro should not be in the trade at all. based on salary ramifications and age factor, I could potentially see Miami make this deal without Herro involved. Something Like Lowry + Duncan Robinson + 2 FRP's, and you keep Herro to use in another trade.

That would surprise me if we can get Beal for Herro and no pick/s. But if that happens I'd be more than happy with that.

I'd probably prefer to do it without sending picks and then trade Lowry and a pick to a team to try shed his salary.

If Miami can do that we'd be 12mil under the tax (29.6mil under the second apron) with Butler, Beal, Bam, Martin, Jovic, Highsmith and cap holds of Gabe

We'd then have access to the full 12mil MLE. We could use that and sign Gabe and have enough money to fill out the roster with Vet Mins/Undrafted/Two Way guys and stay below the 2nd tax apron.

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[Tony15]

He'll get his fat *** in shape here thats for damn sure....

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[dean456]

If Jovic shows notable improvement we hopefully won't need to invest much in a seasoned PF (though I'll certainly welcome it).

Oddly enough,, PJ Tucker would've been a big help against Aaron Gordon....but eh, let PHI commit long term $$.

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Grant Williams could be an option if we can somehow shed some salary.

[MettaWorldPanda]

Zion to Miami is not happening. Now it’s starting to get stupid again like at times it did last year.

[greg4012]

Beal was never the same player (impact wise) once John Wall fell off, he's at his best when he's catching and shooting rather than creating non stop which is why his 3pt % went down. The looks Butler was creating in the Finals really could have used a finisher like Beal.

Fully agreed.

40% of Tyler Herro’s FGAs this past season were open 3s. Only 20% of Beal’s FGAs this season were open 3s. Beal shot 1% better on open 3s.

Swap those players and see what happens.