**NBA Draft Discussion 2024**

[RexBoyWonder]

How likely is it that Alondes WIlliams will find himself playing on the Heat next season if they end up drafting at least 1 guard this year?

All depends on the trades.

If we make big moves and move Herro + Duncan for players of other positions, he'll get his shot.

He has some potential, good athlete, good scorer. If he improves his defense and decision making he's an NBA player.

That's what is so **** up with this roster - playing him instead of our 50Mil$ duo might not be much of a drop off.

[greg4012]

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Just a try hard tweener though

Am i missing something?

Is being listed on a random stat list next to Frank Kaminsky and Derrick Williams proof of something meaningful?

I like the kid, he plays hard. Yet he's in no way a NBA center, and he's not enough of a shooter, passer or creator to be a 4. He's a huger reach at #15

I def think you're missing something, but seemingly by choice.

You see a list of 11 players that have achieved certain statistical thresholds and all you note is the 2 busts from the group? What about the other 80% of the group that consists of 7 guys that proved to be quality NBA starters and one solid rotational frontcourt player that is currently a key part of an ECF team frontcourt rotation? I'd say that's generally great company for a player not projected to be picked in the lotto.

It's unclear to me how you can so conclusively determine he can't play 4 in the NBA due to his shooting, passing or creation. I look at every frontcourt player in this draft class and I honestly give Holmes as good of a chance of being a reliable 3-pt shooter as anyone of them (aside from Da Silva whom is a combo forward). Are you more confident in Ware? Filipowski? Buzelis? If so, I'd be interested to hear why. When you look at 3pt %, FT%, and 3PA rate, Holmes seems as promising or moreso than any of them. I also just like the look of his progression and mechanics over the past year.

I do agree that it's important for Holmes to be a serviceable 3-pt shooter to warrant a NBA role as much more than a backup center. But, I'm bullish on his clear progress on that front.

Holmes would def be on the small side for a full time center. But, he's not Precious-sized. He's a legit 6'9 with a 7'1 wingspan and weighed 235 at the combine. He's basically the exact same size as the Dallas Mavs starting center (Gafford). And I bet his measurables start to look damn good when you compare him to the average teams 3rd big.

You mention passing and creating to be a 4 in the NBA. For this exercise, I think it's easy enough to stick with the list of players referenced as 8 of the 11 are forwards (some PF/C). I see the 2 busts (Kaminsky really a soft center & Williams a PF). From the remaining 5 forwards (not counting Holmes), I see 4 quality starting PFs in the NBA (some stars) and Obi Toppin (a solid frontcourt rotation piece for the Pacers on their ECF run). Out of these 8 forwards plus the 2 guards, Holmes has the second highest assist percentage and the 3rd best A/TO ratio (including the guards).

Additionally, I look at the starting PFs across the NBA and can tell you that Holmes has better passing/creation numbers this past season than more than half of the PFs did in their college careers.

I can def agree that Holmes doesn't have as much upside as some of that group--and his stats benefit from being a 3-year player. But, only 3 of the guys on that list were 1 and done.

I see a lot of value with solidifying the frontcourt with a guy who can be maximized by playing alongside each of Bam and Jovic. If we can get quality play from one guy to round out the 96 minutes of PF and C role, then A LOT of lapses that Miami currently experiences will disappear.

[MettaWorldPanda]

Just a try hard tweener though

Am i missing something?

Is being listed on a random stat list next to Frank Kaminsky and Derrick Williams proof of something meaningful?

I like the kid, he plays hard. Yet he's in no way a NBA center, and he's not enough of a shooter, passer or creator to be a 4. He's a huger reach at #15

I def think you're missing something, but seemingly by choice.

You see a list of 11 players that have achieved certain statistical thresholds and all you note is the 2 busts from the group? What about the other 80% of the group that consists of 7 guys that proved to be quality NBA starters and one solid rotational frontcourt player that is currently a key part of an ECF team frontcourt rotation? I'd say that's generally great company for a player not projected to be picked in the lotto.

It's unclear to me how you can so conclusively determine he can't play 4 in the NBA due to his shooting, passing or creation. I look at every frontcourt player in this draft class and I honestly give Holmes as good of a chance of being a reliable 3-pt shooter as anyone of them (aside from Da Silva whom is a combo forward). Are you more confident in Ware? Filipowski? Buzelis? If so, I'd be interested to hear why. When you look at 3pt %, FT%, and 3PA rate, Holmes seems as promising or moreso than any of them. I also just like the look of his progression and mechanics over the past year.

I do agree that it's important for Holmes to be a serviceable 3-pt shooter to warrant a NBA role as much more than a backup center. But, I'm bullish on his clear progress on that front.

Holmes would def be on the small side for a full time center. But, he's not Precious-sized. He's a legit 6'9 with a 7'1 wingspan and weighed 235 at the combine. He's basically the exact same size as the Dallas Mavs starting center (Gafford). And I bet his measurables start to look damn good when you compare him to the average teams 3rd big.

You mention [b]passing and creating to be a 4 in the NBA[/b]. For this exercise, I think it's easy enough to stick with the list of players referenced as 8 of the 11 are forwards (some PF/C). I see the 2 busts (Kaminsky really a soft center & Williams a PF). From the remaining 5 forwards (not counting Holmes), I see 4 quality starting PFs in the NBA (some stars) and Obi Toppin (a solid frontcourt rotation piece for the Pacers on their ECF run). Out of these 8 forwards plus the 2 guards, Holmes has the second highest assist percentage and the 3rd best A/TO ratio (including the guards).

Additionally, I look at the starting PFs across the NBA and can tell you that Holmes has better passing/creation numbers this past season than more than half of the PFs did in their college careers.

I can def agree that Holmes doesn't have as much upside as some of that group--and his stats benefit from being a 3-year player. But, only 3 of the guys on that list were 1 and done.

I see a lot of value with solidifying the frontcourt with a guy who can be maximized by playing alongside each of Bam and Jovic. If we can get quality play from one guy to round out the 96 minutes of PF and C role, then A LOT of lapses that Miami currently experiences will disappear.

I think Rex had these same feelings when we decided to pick JJJ too

[greg4012]

Am i missing something?

Is being listed on a random stat list next to Frank Kaminsky and Derrick Williams proof of something meaningful?

I like the kid, he plays hard. Yet he's in no way a NBA center, and he's not enough of a shooter, passer or creator to be a 4. He's a huger reach at #15

I def think you're missing something, but seemingly by choice.

You see a list of 11 players that have achieved certain statistical thresholds and all you note is the 2 busts from the group? What about the other 80% of the group that consists of 7 guys that proved to be quality NBA starters and one solid rotational frontcourt player that is currently a key part of an ECF team frontcourt rotation? I'd say that's generally great company for a player not projected to be picked in the lotto.

It's unclear to me how you can so conclusively determine he can't play 4 in the NBA due to his shooting, passing or creation. I look at every frontcourt player in this draft class and I honestly give Holmes as good of a chance of being a reliable 3-pt shooter as anyone of them (aside from Da Silva whom is a combo forward). Are you more confident in Ware? Filipowski? Buzelis? If so, I'd be interested to hear why. When you look at 3pt %, FT%, and 3PA rate, Holmes seems as promising or moreso than any of them. I also just like the look of his progression and mechanics over the past year.

I do agree that it's important for Holmes to be a serviceable 3-pt shooter to warrant a NBA role as much more than a backup center. But, I'm bullish on his clear progress on that front.

Holmes would def be on the small side for a full time center. But, he's not Precious-sized. He's a legit 6'9 with a 7'1 wingspan and weighed 235 at the combine. He's basically the exact same size as the Dallas Mavs starting center (Gafford). And I bet his measurables start to look damn good when you compare him to the average teams 3rd big.

You mention [b]passing and creating to be a 4 in the NBA[/b]. For this exercise, I think it's easy enough to stick with the list of players referenced as 8 of the 11 are forwards (some PF/C). I see the 2 busts (Kaminsky really a soft center & Williams a PF). From the remaining 5 forwards (not counting Holmes), I see 4 quality starting PFs in the NBA (some stars) and Obi Toppin (a solid frontcourt rotation piece for the Pacers on their ECF run). Out of these 8 forwards plus the 2 guards, Holmes has the second highest assist percentage and the 3rd best A/TO ratio (including the guards).

Additionally, I look at the starting PFs across the NBA and can tell you that Holmes has better passing/creation numbers this past season than more than half of the PFs did in their college careers.

I can def agree that Holmes doesn't have as much upside as some of that group--and his stats benefit from being a 3-year player. But, only 3 of the guys on that list were 1 and done.

I see a lot of value with solidifying the frontcourt with a guy who can be maximized by playing alongside each of Bam and Jovic. If we can get quality play from one guy to round out the 96 minutes of PF and C role, then A LOT of lapses that Miami currently experiences will disappear.

I think Rex had these same feelings when we decided to pick JJJ too

Sh*t when Miami first drafted JJJ, I did too.

But admittedly, I hadn't looked into him as a prospect so I only knew the 1 or so game of his I vaguely recalled during March Madness and just saw him as a fully baked prospect. I was initially upset we didn't go with Cam Whitmore, Podz, or Leonard Miller (2 upside guys and a guy I knew would be a quality NBA player). But, I came around on JJJ very quickly after seeing more than just his counting stats and 3-pt percentage.

[RexBoyWonder]

Just a try hard tweener though

Am i missing something?

Is being listed on a random stat list next to Frank Kaminsky and Derrick Williams proof of something meaningful?

I like the kid, he plays hard. Yet he's in no way a NBA center, and he's not enough of a shooter, passer or creator to be a 4. He's a huger reach at #15

I def think you're missing something, but seemingly by choice.

You see a list of 11 players that have achieved certain statistical thresholds and all you note is the 2 busts from the group? What about the other 80% of the group that consists of 7 guys that proved to be quality NBA starters and one solid rotational frontcourt player that is currently a key part of an ECF team frontcourt rotation? I'd say that's generally great company for a player not projected to be picked in the lotto.

It's unclear to me how you can so conclusively determine he can't play 4 in the NBA due to his shooting, passing or creation. I look at every frontcourt player in this draft class and I honestly give Holmes as good of a chance of being a reliable 3-pt shooter as anyone of them (aside from Da Silva whom is a combo forward). Are you more confident in Ware? Filipowski? Buzelis? If so, I'd be interested to hear why. When you look at 3pt %, FT%, and 3PA rate, Holmes seems as promising or moreso than any of them. I also just like the look of his progression and mechanics over the past year.

I do agree that it's important for Holmes to be a serviceable 3-pt shooter to warrant a NBA role as much more than a backup center. But, I'm bullish on his clear progress on that front.

Holmes would def be on the small side for a full time center. But, he's not Precious-sized. He's a legit 6'9 with a 7'1 wingspan and weighed 235 at the combine. He's basically the exact same size as the Dallas Mavs starting center (Gafford). And I bet his measurables start to look damn good when you compare him to the average teams 3rd big.

You mention passing and creating to be a 4 in the NBA. For this exercise, I think it's easy enough to stick with the list of players referenced as 8 of the 11 are forwards (some PF/C). I see the 2 busts (Kaminsky really a soft center & Williams a PF). From the remaining 5 forwards (not counting Holmes), I see 4 quality starting PFs in the NBA (some stars) and Obi Toppin (a solid frontcourt rotation piece for the Pacers on their ECF run). Out of these 8 forwards plus the 2 guards, Holmes has the second highest assist percentage and the 3rd best A/TO ratio (including the guards).

Additionally, I look at the starting PFs across the NBA and can tell you that Holmes has better passing/creation numbers this past season than more than half of the PFs did in their college careers.

I can def agree that Holmes doesn't have as much upside as some of that group--and his stats benefit from being a 3-year player. But, only 3 of the guys on that list were 1 and done.

I see a lot of value with solidifying the frontcourt with a guy who can be maximized by playing alongside each of Bam and Jovic. If we can get quality play from one guy to round out the 96 minutes of PF and C role, then A LOT of lapses that Miami currently experiences will disappear.

Appreciate the feedback. Dont have much time so in short :

I do like the kid, he could worth getting at #43 if he's there, so Just a few points :

1) He's a 3 year college guy that just started shooting 3's. Low volume, stiff form. It's not great.

2) Precious actually has the same wingspan as Holmes, But Precious is a better athlete.

3) If you think a 3rd year player that averages 2.6 asists to 2.2 TO in college is going to be creating in the NBA as a PF...I don't know what to tell you.

As the your final point - I think this team is desperate for STARTER type talent. In both PG and C. We don't have the luxury of addressing the bench, It's the Precious thing all over again. We have to aim higher and take a player that could become a good starter for us, wasting our rare highish pick on energy bench big is extremely wasteful when we have other options with much higher upside.

[twix2500]

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[greg4012]

Am i missing something?

Is being listed on a random stat list next to Frank Kaminsky and Derrick Williams proof of something meaningful?

I like the kid, he plays hard. Yet he's in no way a NBA center, and he's not enough of a shooter, passer or creator to be a 4. He's a huger reach at #15

I def think you're missing something, but seemingly by choice.

You see a list of 11 players that have achieved certain statistical thresholds and all you note is the 2 busts from the group? What about the other 80% of the group that consists of 7 guys that proved to be quality NBA starters and one solid rotational frontcourt player that is currently a key part of an ECF team frontcourt rotation? I'd say that's generally great company for a player not projected to be picked in the lotto.

It's unclear to me how you can so conclusively determine he can't play 4 in the NBA due to his shooting, passing or creation. I look at every frontcourt player in this draft class and I honestly give Holmes as good of a chance of being a reliable 3-pt shooter as anyone of them (aside from Da Silva whom is a combo forward). Are you more confident in Ware? Filipowski? Buzelis? If so, I'd be interested to hear why. When you look at 3pt %, FT%, and 3PA rate, Holmes seems as promising or moreso than any of them. I also just like the look of his progression and mechanics over the past year.

I do agree that it's important for Holmes to be a serviceable 3-pt shooter to warrant a NBA role as much more than a backup center. But, I'm bullish on his clear progress on that front.

Holmes would def be on the small side for a full time center. But, he's not Precious-sized. He's a legit 6'9 with a 7'1 wingspan and weighed 235 at the combine. He's basically the exact same size as the Dallas Mavs starting center (Gafford). And I bet his measurables start to look damn good when you compare him to the average teams 3rd big.

You mention passing and creating to be a 4 in the NBA. For this exercise, I think it's easy enough to stick with the list of players referenced as 8 of the 11 are forwards (some PF/C). I see the 2 busts (Kaminsky really a soft center & Williams a PF). From the remaining 5 forwards (not counting Holmes), I see 4 quality starting PFs in the NBA (some stars) and Obi Toppin (a solid frontcourt rotation piece for the Pacers on their ECF run). Out of these 8 forwards plus the 2 guards, Holmes has the second highest assist percentage and the 3rd best A/TO ratio (including the guards).

Additionally, I look at the starting PFs across the NBA and can tell you that Holmes has better passing/creation numbers this past season than more than half of the PFs did in their college careers.

I can def agree that Holmes doesn't have as much upside as some of that group--and his stats benefit from being a 3-year player. But, only 3 of the guys on that list were 1 and done.

I see a lot of value with solidifying the frontcourt with a guy who can be maximized by playing alongside each of Bam and Jovic. If we can get quality play from one guy to round out the 96 minutes of PF and C role, then A LOT of lapses that Miami currently experiences will disappear.

Appreciate the feedback. Dont have much time so in short :

I do like the kid, he could worth getting at #43 if he's there, so Just a few points :

1) He's a 3 year college guy that just started shooting 3's. Low volume, stiff form. It's not great.

Isn't that how it goes with most bigs? It's not often a big with a valuable rim protection and rim running skillset is stroking 3s as a freshman. Those guys are usually top 5 picks off the bat. You speak of C being a need. Who is the Center that has a better shooting profile than Holmes? Is it Kel'el Ware hitting 17 of his 40 3PA this season despite shooting 63% from the FT line (134 attempts)? I don't know. I struggle to see that in a better light. But, if those who can actually gain insight into Ware's work ethic believe he is ready to work and is hungry to play basketball and dominate. SIGN ME UP.

2) Precious actually has the same wingspan as Holmes, But Precious is a better athlete.

Precious
- Height without shoes: 6'7.5
- Wingspan: 7'0.75

Holmes
- Height without shoes: 6'8.75 (+1.25"; same height as Bam)
- Wingspan: 7'1 (+.25")

Agreed its close, but Precious is smaller. I think they're close as athletes, but damn Precious is uncoordinated with the ball in his hands and has less of a shot.

3) If you think a 3rd year player that averages 2.6 asists to 2.2 TO in college is going to be creating in the NBA as a PF...I don't know what to tell you.

I thought it was about him having sufficient creation chops to function as a NBA PF. Do you suggest that prospects need to have a lead creator profile play PF in the NBA? Like I said, he quite literally was a more productive creator than half the starting PFs in the NBA. Here are guys that played multiple years in college.

DFS was a 5-year college player. His best ATO was 2.1:1.9
Siakam was a 2 year college player (and was 22 when drafted). His best ATO was 1.7:2
PJ Washington was a 2 year college player. His best ATO was 1.8:2
Draymond Green was a 4 year college player. His SR year ATO was 3.8:3
Rui Hachimura was a 3 year college player. His best ATO was 1.5:1.8
Jerami Grant was a 2 year college player. His best ATO was 1.4:1.2
Keegan Murray was a 2 year college player (same draft age as Holmes). His best ATO was 1.5:1.1
Kyle Kuzma was a 3 year college player. His best ATO was 2.4:2.1

He clears them all except Draymond (barely)


As the your final point - I think this team is desperate for STARTER type talent. In both PG and C. We don't have the luxury of addressing the bench, It's the Precious thing all over again. We have to aim higher and take a player that could become a good starter for us, wasting our rare highish pick on energy bench big is extremely wasteful when we have other options with much higher upside.

I take it the final point is really the basis for your entire dismissive lens. I get it, but I disagree.

If a 3rd big provides a dose of functional size for 20+ minutes per night with both Jovic and Bam separately it has as much or more impact than your average 5th starter. If that 3rd big continues to develop and that soon turns into pushing 30 mpg, then that's absolutely as valuable (or moreso if you believe that frontcourt rotation is more valuable than backcourt rotation) as most non-superstar starters.

Hyperbolic adjectives aside, I don't have belief that there are any guarantees for foundational starters when you're picking at 15 in a bad draft. I think chasing the 1% outcome at the expense of completely wasting a FRP is equally concerning. That's why I like players across the risk spectrum.

I've responded to some of your other comments above in RED

[greg4012]

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One of the true Boom-Bust prospects. Hope the Heat do their HW and bring him in for a workout/interivew.

[lastb1ckman]

Am i missing something?

Is being listed on a random stat list next to Frank Kaminsky and Derrick Williams proof of something meaningful?

I like the kid, he plays hard. Yet he's in no way a NBA center, and he's not enough of a shooter, passer or creator to be a 4. He's a huger reach at #15

I def think you're missing something, but seemingly by choice.

You see a list of 11 players that have achieved certain statistical thresholds and all you note is the 2 busts from the group? What about the other 80% of the group that consists of 7 guys that proved to be quality NBA starters and one solid rotational frontcourt player that is currently a key part of an ECF team frontcourt rotation? I'd say that's generally great company for a player not projected to be picked in the lotto.

It's unclear to me how you can so conclusively determine he can't play 4 in the NBA due to his shooting, passing or creation. I look at every frontcourt player in this draft class and I honestly give Holmes as good of a chance of being a reliable 3-pt shooter as anyone of them (aside from Da Silva whom is a combo forward). Are you more confident in Ware? Filipowski? Buzelis? If so, I'd be interested to hear why. When you look at 3pt %, FT%, and 3PA rate, Holmes seems as promising or moreso than any of them. I also just like the look of his progression and mechanics over the past year.

I do agree that it's important for Holmes to be a serviceable 3-pt shooter to warrant a NBA role as much more than a backup center. But, I'm bullish on his clear progress on that front.

Holmes would def be on the small side for a full time center. But, he's not Precious-sized. He's a legit 6'9 with a 7'1 wingspan and weighed 235 at the combine. He's basically the exact same size as the Dallas Mavs starting center (Gafford). And I bet his measurables start to look damn good when you compare him to the average teams 3rd big.

You mention passing and creating to be a 4 in the NBA. For this exercise, I think it's easy enough to stick with the list of players referenced as 8 of the 11 are forwards (some PF/C). I see the 2 busts (Kaminsky really a soft center & Williams a PF). From the remaining 5 forwards (not counting Holmes), I see 4 quality starting PFs in the NBA (some stars) and Obi Toppin (a solid frontcourt rotation piece for the Pacers on their ECF run). Out of these 8 forwards plus the 2 guards, Holmes has the second highest assist percentage and the 3rd best A/TO ratio (including the guards).

Additionally, I look at the starting PFs across the NBA and can tell you that Holmes has better passing/creation numbers this past season than more than half of the PFs did in their college careers.

I can def agree that Holmes doesn't have as much upside as some of that group--and his stats benefit from being a 3-year player. But, only 3 of the guys on that list were 1 and done.

I see a lot of value with solidifying the frontcourt with a guy who can be maximized by playing alongside each of Bam and Jovic. If we can get quality play from one guy to round out the 96 minutes of PF and C role, then A LOT of lapses that Miami currently experiences will disappear.

Appreciate the feedback. Dont have much time so in short :

I do like the kid, he could worth getting at #43 if he's there, so Just a few points :

1) He's a 3 year college guy that just started shooting 3's. Low volume, stiff form. It's not great.

2) Precious actually has the same wingspan as Holmes, But Precious is a better athlete.

3) If you think a 3rd year player that averages 2.6 asists to 2.2 TO in college is going to be creating in the NBA as a PF...I don't know what to tell you.

As the your final point - I think this team is desperate for STARTER type talent. In both PG and C. We don't have the luxury of addressing the bench, It's the Precious thing all over again. We have to aim higher and take a player that could become a good starter for us, wasting our rare highish pick on energy bench big is extremely wasteful when we have other options with much higher upside.

Tbh, I don't see Ware starting even if the Heat did draft him at 15. His 3 point shooting is basically theoretical at this point. He's also not a good passer at this stage and isn't very switchable. He'd definitely be a back up for the foreseeable future even if he fixed his motor issues.

[MettaWorldPanda]

I just can’t find myself getting sold on Ware. The more i watch the worst it gets. His 3 ball is very much theoretical with that low volume and his misses are pretty bad. Also not a big fan of that 63% from the FT line either. He gets tossed around by bigger bodies and came up very small versus good competition. Seems like a player that would drive Spo insane. The measurables are there but we’ve seen plenty of measurable and combine stat guys that don’t work out as planned.

[MettaWorldPanda]

Kyle Filipowski 7’0 with 6’10.5 wingspan
Lauri Markannen 7’0 with 6’11 wingspan

[MettaWorldPanda]

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Has the high end pedigree and has all the tools to be the perfect stretch big next to Bam much like KO but way better. Says he models his game after Markannen. High IQ player who can step in day one and make a difference.

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[RexBoyWonder]

In Order :

1. Ware - Elite size and length, great athlete and mobility, very productive his second year, shot looks good, scores naturally.

2. Filipowski - Meh tools, but versatile and somewhat unique with his skillset for a big, good fit, high chance to become solid here.


3. Holmes - Meh tools, lower upside, I have doubts his game translates against NBA bigs, but energy will.

4. Edey - huge gamble, probably to rich for my taste. Offense will be fine (and might be much better then fine if his jumpshot becomes real) but man..playing defense in the high NBA tempo could be a killer, might make him completely unplayable.

[greg4012]

I just can’t find myself getting sold on Ware. The more i watch the worst it gets. His 3 ball is very much theoretical with that low volume and his misses are pretty bad. Also not a big fan of that 63% from the FT line either. He gets tossed around by bigger bodies and came up very small versus good competition. Seems like a player that would drive Spo insane. The measurables are there but we’ve seen plenty of measurable and combine stat guys that don’t work out as planned.

For me it's just the concerns about work ethic. Talent is immensely important. But, there are A LOT more uber talented players that flamed out due to not having the drive to improve in the NBA and compete than there are those that do. I think all of his on-court deficiencies are correctable and can be improved upon. But, that requires the will to do so. The red flags spook me a bit. But, if the Heat can gauge him and believe in his buy-in, then what a gift to get a physical specimen like him at 15.

He just goes into a bucket by himself for me.

[greg4012]

Kyle Filipowski 7’0 with 6’10.5 wingspan
Lauri Markannen 7’0 with 6’11 wingspan

Filipowski - 31.4% college 3PT on 3.3 attempts and 71.8% FT shooting on 4.7 attempts
Markannen - 42.3% college 3PT on 4.4 3PA and 83.5% FT shooting on 4.4 attempts

IDK--if he's not a sniper I want my rotation big to have some reliable rim protection chops. I'm not sold on Flip's despite his improved showing this season due to that wingspan.

I think he's an interesting prospect and def a NBA rotation player otherwise. Fit has me TBD.

[lastb1ckman]

I like Filipowski's archetype, it has worked on the Heat before. Only problem is that he doesn't QUITE shoot as well as you'd want. And if he can't shoot, there goes a lot of his value on the court. Cause he ain't locking down the paint or perimeter. He could very well keep improving his shot though, and he seems like he has a good work ethic.

[RexBoyWonder]

I like Filipowski's archetype, it has worked on the Heat before. Only problem is that he doesn't QUITE shoot as well as you'd want. And if he can't shoot, there goes a lot of his value on the court. Cause he ain't locking down the paint or perimeter. He could very well keep improving his shot though, and he seems like he has a good work ethic.

I like his floor game alot, his handle and passing and overall IQ seems very high. He's a Heat player in the regard.

Agreed about his shooting - If he can become a good reliable 3 point shotter I think he's going to be very good, and a great fit too. Versatile big that is solid at every aspect.

If he can't shoot...A lot of his value as a unique big disappears, he becomes a below average paint clogging 5 without the size and explosiveness to battle the big dogs.

[greg4012]

I like Filipowski's archetype, it has worked on the Heat before. Only problem is that he doesn't QUITE shoot as well as you'd want. And if he can't shoot, there goes a lot of his value on the court. Cause he ain't locking down the paint or perimeter. He could very well keep improving his shot though, and he seems like he has a good work ethic.

I like his floor game alot, his handle and passing and overall IQ seems very high. He's a Heat player in the regard.

Agreed about his shooting - If he can become a good reliable 3 point shotter I think he's going to be very good, and a great fit too. Versatile big that is solid at every aspect.

If he can't shoot...A lot of his value as a unique big disappears, he becomes a below average paint clogging 5 without the size and explosiveness to battle the big dogs.

That 2.8:2.1 ATO ratio really blows Holmes' 2.6:2.1 ATO ratio out of the water

All with the benefit of a lot less double teams and some NBA caliber teammates and spacing around him

[gotta mess with you on this--I like Flip's feel for the game, as well]

[lastb1ckman]

I like Filipowski's archetype, it has worked on the Heat before. Only problem is that he doesn't QUITE shoot as well as you'd want. And if he can't shoot, there goes a lot of his value on the court. Cause he ain't locking down the paint or perimeter. He could very well keep improving his shot though, and he seems like he has a good work ethic.

I like his floor game alot, his handle and passing and overall IQ seems very high. He's a Heat player in the regard.

Agreed about his shooting - If he can become a good reliable 3 point shotter I think he's going to be very good, and a great fit too. Versatile big that is solid at every aspect.

If he can't shoot...A lot of his value as a unique big disappears, he becomes a below average paint clogging 5 without the size and explosiveness to battle the big dogs.

That 2.8:2.1 ATO ratio really blows Holmes' 2.6:2.1 ATO ratio out of the water

All with the benefit of a lot less double teams and some NBA caliber teammates and spacing around him

[gotta mess with you on this--I like Flip's feel for the game, as well]

They all seem functionable passers out of the post at the minimum. **** Whiteside had a 0.4:2.6 ATO ratio out of college lmao.

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Those shot mechanics look sustainable at the next level. I think he only gets better and better from 3. I'd be very happy with the pick. Can have an immediate impact off the bench as a 4/5. Sure beats having to bring in Bryant, Love, and O Rob. Can definitely push Jovic for a starters role or possibly move Jovic to a more wing position point forward spot.