Miami Heat 2023/2024 Regular Season - Thread 3.0

[twix2500]

The Heat have two days off. So they may have time to run a practice and maybe give this big starting lineup one more chance with some practice to run some set plays.

[SerialChiller]

The Heat have two days off. So they may have time to run a practice and maybe give this big starting lineup one more chance with some practice to run some set plays.

Hopefully those 2 days are enough for JJJ to be back!

[twix2500]

Who in here think a no-point guard offense can work?

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[MorbidHEAT]

You need someone in there for Jovic but you’re definitely going in the right direction

I think Jovic is up for the task, PG is his natural position.

It’s gonna be a little shaky and raw at times from what we’ve seen, but he needs those reps exclusively at the 1 spot to blossom.

No way he can defend opposing PGs, this isn't even an option...We need a PG who can drive into the paint on offense and breakdown a defense to either score or kickout for open 3s. Jovic is not a PG.

As amazing as that would be, I agree. Opposing point guards would make him unplayable.

A decent option at point guard might be Caleb. His game needs to be adjusted a little, but we’ve seen him handle enough for that to be at least a possibility.

[twix2500]

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[AirP.]

Who in here think a no-point guard offense can work?

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Vincent and Nunn were both combo guards who were more like small SGs and they played PG for Miami when they got to the Finals.

I think if you can get a shooter at PG and run the ball through Butler and maybe Jaquez Jr off the bench, it can work but it would be nice to have a real PG on the bench for certain situations.

[RexBoyWonder]

Make a trade NOW Pat!! We can’t afford to sit around and wait.

With the risk of repeating myself -

I think EVERYTHING should be on the table.
This build has simply ran it's course.

You can see it with the lack of energy, and the lack of scoring talent.

I might be overblowing it, but to me a big change is needed, dumping Lowry isn't enough. I think we have too many limited supporting players and not enough creative scorers.

Jimmy, Bam and JJJ are the only untouchables IMO. Everyone else should be explored.

Herro, Duncan, Lowry, Martin, Jovic, Picks. See what you can fetch for all of them.

You can build a new team if we choose too, they're all moveable. I do believe we should be aggressive, because we have nothing to lose ATM. The Status quo isn't getting us anything, not now and not in the future.

You replace Duncan with Swider
You replace Martin with Alondes Williams
You replace Lowry with Bouyea.

I think you'l be shocked by how little of a drop off you'll see.

Then you add the established guys you traded for. I'd target guys like Jermi Grant, Brogdon, Rozier, Pistons Bojan Bogdanovic, Tyus Jones, Sexton, Cam Thomas, Lavine -

Basically any player that has proven to be a talented scorer that can create. That's how the game is played now, you can't win big with limited offensive talent. You get the scoring talent and Spo's job is to build a defense that is better then it's parts.

[Bmaster]

Make a trade NOW Pat!! We can’t afford to sit around and wait.

With the risk of repeating myself -

I think EVERYTHING should be on the table.
This build has simply ran it's course.

You can see it with the lack of energy, and the lack of scoring talent.

I might be overblowing it, but to me a big change is needed, dumping Lowry isn't enough. I think we have too many limited supporting players and not enough creative scorers.

Jimmy, Bam and JJJ are the only untouchables IMO. Everyone else should be explored.

Herro, Duncan, Lowry, Martin, Jovic, Picks. See what you can fetch for all of them.

You can build a new team if we choose too, they're all moveable. I do believe we should be aggressive, because we have nothing to lose ATM. The Status quo isn't getting us anything, not now and not in the future.

You replace Duncan with Swider
You replace Martin with Alondes Williams
You replace Lowry with Bouyea.

I think you'l be shocked by how little of a drop off you'll see.

Then you add the established guys you traded for. I'd target guys like Jermi Grant, Brogdon, Rozier, Pistons Bojan Bogdanovic, Tyus Jones, Sexton, Cam Thomas, Lavine -

Basically any player that has proven to be a talented scorer that can create. That's how the game is played now, you can't win big with limited offensive talent. You get the scoring talent and Spo's job is to build a defense that is better then it's parts.

This is how I have been thinking lately. I just hope they make some kind of move to get better offense because it is stale and needs more scoring or just players that can make shots more consistently.

[MettaWorldPanda]

Make a trade NOW Pat!! We can’t afford to sit around and wait.

With the risk of repeating myself -

I think EVERYTHING should be on the table.
This build has simply ran it's course.

You can see it with the lack of energy, and the lack of scoring talent.

I might be overblowing it, but to me a big change is needed, dumping Lowry isn't enough. I think we have too many limited supporting players and not enough creative scorers.

Jimmy, Bam and JJJ are the only untouchables IMO. Everyone else should be explored.

Herro, Duncan, Lowry, Martin, Jovic, Picks. See what you can fetch for all of them.

You can build a new team if we choose too, they're all moveable. I do believe we should be aggressive, because we have nothing to lose ATM. The Status quo isn't getting us anything, not now and not in the future.

You replace Duncan with Swider
You replace Martin with Alondes Williams
You replace Lowry with Bouyea.

I think you'l be shocked by how little of a drop off you'll see.

Then you add the established guys you traded for. I'd target guys like Jermi Grant, Brogdon, Rozier, Pistons Bojan Bogdanovic, Tyus Jones, Sexton, Cam Thomas, Lavine -

Basically any player that has proven to be a talented scorer that can create. That's how the game is played now, you can't win big with limited offensive talent. You get the scoring talent and Spo's job is to build a defense that is better then it's parts.

I agree Rex it's time to make some real changes and shake this thing up. Riley has gotten too comfy with these players and has become a perceived softy when back in the day he would have made changes to this roster by now. Duncan(cap purposes), Lowry, and Martin with picks should all be shipped out for salary relief this year in order to sign some of our two ways to bargain contracts, and getting substantial upgrades at the PG and PF spot using 1st round picks and whatever we have in the bucket to make it happen.

[Bmaster]

Who in here think a no-point guard offense can work?

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Vincent and Nunn were both combo guards who were more like small SGs and they played PG for Miami when they got to the Finals.

I think if you can get a shooter at PG and run the ball through Butler and maybe Jaquez Jr off the bench, it can work but it would be nice to have a real PG on the bench for certain situations.

Jaquez is starter. Better than everyone except maybe Jimmy Butler and bam. I would even start him at pg over Lowry jrich and caleb

[AirP.]

Who in here think a no-point guard offense can work?

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Vincent and Nunn were both combo guards who were more like small SGs and they played PG for Miami when they got to the Finals.

I think if you can get a shooter at PG and run the ball through Butler and maybe Jaquez Jr off the bench, it can work but it would be nice to have a real PG on the bench for certain situations.

Jaquez is starter. Better than everyone except maybe Jimmy Butler and bam. I would even start him at pg over Lowry jrich and caleb

I consider Jaquez Jr the Heat's 3rd best player as of now but I'm not sure how you split up the starters and reserves for the playoffs because you need role-players in the starting lineup to maximize your main players. Jaquez Jr is pretty unique as a rookie and just as an NBA player being able to fill both roles of a main and role player. Miami got a good one with Jaquez Jr and he's on a rookie contract for 3 more years, might be a good window to go all in to add someone expensive that fits well to a Butler, Bam and Jaquez Jr core.

[MettaWorldPanda]

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This is our backup PG lol

[RexBoyWonder]

Vincent and Nunn were both combo guards who were more like small SGs and they played PG for Miami when they got to the Finals.

I think if you can get a shooter at PG and run the ball through Butler and maybe Jaquez Jr off the bench, it can work but it would be nice to have a real PG on the bench for certain situations.

Jaquez is starter. Better than everyone except maybe Jimmy Butler and bam. I would even start him at pg over Lowry jrich and caleb

I consider Jaquez Jr the Heat's 3rd best player as of now but I'm not sure how you split up the starters and reserves for the playoffs because you need role-players in the starting lineup to maximize your main players. Jaquez Jr is pretty unique as a rookie and just as an NBA player being able to fill both roles of a main and role player. Miami got a good one with Jaquez Jr and he's on a rookie contract for 3 more years, might be a good window to go all in to add someone expensive that fits well to a Butler, Bam and Jaquez Jr core.

Rozier
JJJ
Jimmy
J.Grant
Bam


Let's get some scoring, athleticism.

[MettaWorldPanda]

Jaquez is starter. Better than everyone except maybe Jimmy Butler and bam. I would even start him at pg over Lowry jrich and caleb

I consider Jaquez Jr the Heat's 3rd best player as of now but I'm not sure how you split up the starters and reserves for the playoffs because you need role-players in the starting lineup to maximize your main players. Jaquez Jr is pretty unique as a rookie and just as an NBA player being able to fill both roles of a main and role player. Miami got a good one with Jaquez Jr and he's on a rookie contract for 3 more years, might be a good window to go all in to add someone expensive that fits well to a Butler, Bam and Jaquez Jr core.

Rozier
JJJ
Jimmy
J.Grant
Bam


Let's get some scoring, athleticism.

Pushing Jerami Grant is pretty worthless since I doubt we do anything with Cronin. I think it's just common sense at this point. I think it's more likely we get Bojan Bogdonovic since he's expiring. Duncan to the Pistons for Bojan makes some sense for both sides.

[RexBoyWonder]

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This is our backup PG lol

Well he's not a PG. Never was. Never will be. He has zero PG skills.

Bouyea is a better PG then him.

This roster construction tried to get too cute. Too many duplication, too many role players.

Jimmy and Bam aren't good enough scorers (especially in regular season) to carry a bunch of role player to a good offense.

[MettaWorldPanda]

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This is our backup PG lol

Well he's not a PG. Never was. Never will be. He has zero PG skills.

Bouyea is a better PG then him.

This roster construction tried to get too cute. Too many duplication, too many role players.

Jimmy and Bam aren't good enough scorers (especially in regular season) to carry a bunch of role player to a good offense.

He needs to be placed in a simple honest 3D role. Spo had these grand visions of making J Rich a primary ball handler. Something he tried to do with him during his last time here and he always sucked at it. Spo is one stubborn bastard.

[_GH0ST_]

Is John Wall still alive? At this point, it's not a bad idea to give a chance to a few PGs with 10-day contracts.

[MettaWorldPanda]

Is John Wall still alive? At this point, it's not a bad idea to give a chance to a few PGs with 10-day contracts.

We got no money to sign nobody. Not even 10 day contracts. Need to get rid of Dru Smith's dead 1.8 million or take back less in trade. We are pressed against the super tax limit.

[MettaWorldPanda]

Let me give you all another reminder of the snap shot of our current books. If your Micky right now paying close to 29 million in tax penalties for this team must not have him very happy right now.

2023-24 Luxury Tax Totals
Denotes the Heat current standing in terms of the luxury tax threshold. Teams that spend over the threshold pay fines (estimated below).
TYPE TOTALS
2023 NBA Luxury Tax Threshold $165,294,000
Total Taxable Salaries $180,265,160
Current Luxury Tax Space $-14,971,160
Est. Luxury Tax Bill $28,677,903


Second Apron
2023 NBA Second Apron $182,794,000
Second Apron Space $28,840

https://www.spotrac.com/nba/miami-heat/cap/

[RexBoyWonder]

I consider Jaquez Jr the Heat's 3rd best player as of now but I'm not sure how you split up the starters and reserves for the playoffs because you need role-players in the starting lineup to maximize your main players. Jaquez Jr is pretty unique as a rookie and just as an NBA player being able to fill both roles of a main and role player. Miami got a good one with Jaquez Jr and he's on a rookie contract for 3 more years, might be a good window to go all in to add someone expensive that fits well to a Butler, Bam and Jaquez Jr core.

Rozier
JJJ
Jimmy
J.Grant
Bam


Let's get some scoring, athleticism.

Pushing Jerami Grant is pretty worthless since I doubt we do anything with Cronin. I think it's just common sense at this point. I think it's more likely we get Bojan Bogdonovic since he's expiring. Duncan to the Pistons for Bojan makes some sense for both sides.

I'm over that chit. It's time to get professional.

Jeremi Grant is overpaid but he's a great fit between Bam and Jimmy, he'll be the best PF we had since I can't remember when. He won't cost much, and Blazers would move him for a fair offer.

Rozier is exactly the same, a little overpaid but a good fit and he's a baller. Should get moved for a modest price too.

Invest the money in the players that matter. Enough with this 12 deep rotation where players 4 to 12 are basically on the same level.


Rozier
JJJ
Jimmy
J.Grant
Bam

That's 5 guys in their primes, all can score 20 at any given night, none are washed, none are one way player, they fit with their skill.

Spo's job is to maximize good talent and create a great team, build a bench.
ATM he's constantly trying to fix holes, juggle 1 way players, develop youth and maintain veterans simultaneously.

enough with that crap, build a normal team.

Focus on getting a killer starting five and build a bench with the skyforce guys, vet mins and reclamation projects.