Miami Heat Offseason Thread vol. 2 : We Running it Back.. (WITH MITCHELL!)

[RexBoyWonder]

If your answer is to sell the farm for Trey Young...your'e asking all the wrong questions.

[Beenie]

If your answer is to sell the farm for Trey Young...your'e asking all the wrong questions.

Were the questions also wrong last offseason for those who concluded that the answer was to trade the farm for Dame?

In other words, do you view Trae to be less than Dame and if so why?

[RexBoyWonder]

If your answer is to sell the farm for Trey Young...your'e asking all the wrong questions.

Were the questions also wrong last offseason for those who concluded that the answer was to trade the farm for Dame?

In other words, do you view Trae to be less than Dame and if so why?

I didn't want to sell the entire farm for Dame, and in hindsight i think it was justified considering the season he just had, the level of Jamie and Jovic showed and Dame's contract.

Young IMO isn't on the level Dame was. His style of foul baiting will get less and less effective with the new emphasis on foul calls. He's a even worse defender. I don't see him a true playoffs winning driver.

Also Jimmy is a year older, the window is smaller, Trey's game is really not enjoyable to me.

I'd take him for a good price, but not for Jamie + Jovic + Herro + all the picks.

[Pokuokic]

Jovic seems pretty much a lock to be the starting PF at the Olympics his two other PF comp is Petrusev (Heat should sign for the minimum) and Poku (if he makes it) can't see him getting any minutes at SF (Lucic/others) or C which might be the best C combo in the whole thing with Jokic/Milutinov. Team is way stronger on paper (teams never done well with Jokic as the #1 his style is not great for FIBA imo) and he will probably play less I think than he did in the World Champs.

[Beenie]

If your answer is to sell the farm for Trey Young...your'e asking all the wrong questions.

Were the questions also wrong last offseason for those who concluded that the answer was to trade the farm for Dame?

In other words, do you view Trae to be less than Dame and if so why?

I didn't want to sell the entire farm for Dame, and in hindsight i think it was justified considering the season he just had, the level of Jamie and Jovic showed and Dame's contract.

Young IMO isn't on the level Dame was. His style of foul baiting will get less and less effective with the new emphasis on foul calls. He's a even worse defender. I don't see him a true playoffs winning driver.

Also Jimmy is a year older, the window is smaller, Trey's game is really not enjoyable to me.

I'd take him for a good price, but not for Jamie + Jovic + Herro + all the picks.

If that was, at the time, your position on Dame then fair enough.

The obvious difference to consider though is the age gap between Trae and Dame.

Trae and Bam would effectively be on the same timeline so even if a Jimmy window “big 3” fails to
produce a chip, the team would still be setup for the foreseeable future.

Regarding your criticisms of Traes style of play, all I’ll say is the 2 man game between him and Bam would be awesome just like it would have been with Dame if Mia managed to land him last year.

[dean456]

I don't think Trae works with Bam as the primary big. I think you need rim protection with Trae. He's too much of a turn style that Bam will be forced to help/switch and the opposing big will feast on Trae on the switch. Trae needs a Wemby/Gobert to have success on a high level someone that completely deters an entire team from entering the paint.

This team would be better off with Murray than it would Trae imo. Because Murray can hold his own on the perimeter and can at least be disruptive on the switch and Bam can hold his own both on his matchup and on the switch so there isn't nearly as much to take advantage of.

I also think Trae can be schemed out of high leverage games. He can eat up innings in a regular season on offense but once the playoffs start he's no where near as comfortable.

[Beenie]

I don't think Trae works with Bam as the primary big. I think you need rim protection with Trae. He's too much of a turn style that Bam will be forced to help/switch and the opposing big will feast on Trae on the switch. Trae needs a Wemby/Gobert to have success on a high level someone that completely deters an entire team from entering the paint.

This team would be better off with Murray than it would Trae imo. Because Murray can hold his own on the perimeter and can at least be disruptive on the switch and Bam can hold his own both on his matchup and on the switch so there isn't nearly as much to take advantage of.

I also think Trae can be schemed out of high leverage games. He can eat up innings in a regular season on offense but once the playoffs start he's no where near as comfortable.

The defensive schematic shortcomings would be offset by the pick n roll actions, dribble handoffs, and the outlet passes on the break all of which Bam would greatly accentuate in my opinion.

Realistically, most PGs, particularly offensive ones, are bad defenders. Mia had to deal with that reality with Dragic. It would be the case now had they been able to get Dame last year.

I’d be confident that Spo would produce a net positive result with Trae, Dame, or just about any xyz top pg.

[wadenation305]

Read on Twitter

The last thing we need on a team full of people who can't consistently shoot is a guy who consistently puts up shots, that he has no business taking. Anyone that we are considering either has to be a guard that can hit the 3 and get his shot off no matter what. Or a tall lumbering tree that can hit the 3. But no matter what you get, being a good 3-point shooter is an absolute requirement. The Westbricks and DeRozan's of the world will do nothing for us except make it harder.

Well I am simply brainstorming. I honestly think that Mitchell is far fetched and out of question. That Heat should looks for a diamond in the rough.

For sure, the only way we can maybe get Mitchell is if he continues the nice guy thing he's been doing but when teams trying to trade for him come talk to him on whether he'd extend he politely tells them that he's looking forward to his free agency and deciding then where it would be best for his career. That way he doesn't get Cavs pissed that he's nuking his value on purpose to spite them. But they also can't ask him to say that he will extend with that team just because the Cavs want to trade him to that team. Just emphasize that he has only one year left so all the teams have in the back of their minds that he will be only a year rental.

This method keeps the Cav's FO from being completely hostile as they shouldn't feel like he's trying to publicly strong arm them. DM would just be honest with everybody. "You can trade for me if you want, I'll play out the year I have left on my contract, but I will not sign an extension with any team. I am looking forward to my free agency, where I can freely decide what is best for my career and legacy." Don't even mention the Heat's name. Just speak to Bam in the background to see where the Heat are at and give us some inside info if possible.

[3ammy3uck3ts]

Yall are worried about defense like Bam isn’t going to anchor a top 5 defense regardless, get 3 and D guys at the 2 and 4 to help it as well. Get Hunter in the deal and go find a 4. We’ve had a washed Lowry, Herro, Duncan, and Terry as our defenders in the backcourt, we’ll be completely fine lol. Traes impact on offense is higher than all those guys easily, he’s a top 10 offensive player in the league and I don’t even think that’s debatable.

Herro is an awful defender and mediocre offensive player but you all still obsess over him for whatever reason, Trae is who you all think Herro is.

[3ammy3uck3ts]

Trae or Mitchell with Bam 2 man game would finally give us the boost we need while Jimmy rests and coasts all season. HCA round 1 at minimum

[3ammy3uck3ts]

If your answer is to sell the farm for Trey Young...your'e asking all the wrong questions.

I’m not sure many are selling the farm outside of Jimmy and Bam (I would our farm is ass) but if the deal Simmons mentioned could actually get it done that’s a no brainer.

[wadenation305]

If your answer is to sell the farm for Trey Young...your'e asking all the wrong questions.

I’m not sure many are selling the farm outside of Jimmy and Bam (I would our farm is ass) but if the deal Simmons mentioned could actually get it done that’s a no brainer.

With Trae, it all depends on what the cost is. I'm not giving up Jovic, Jaquez, Herro and picks for him. TBH Jovic is untouchable unless it's for a top 10, top 5 guy. Jovic might not turn into Jokic, but I think the dude is still going to be really, really good. He has the physical tools and the skill, he just needs to continue developing. Now if it's Herro, Duncan, and picks, you take that deal and run.

[wadenation305]

Almost nobody on this team knows how to get Bam a rim running lob. If I'm not wrong, I think none of our guys even knew what to do in transition. A Mitchell or Trae does fix that. The only issue is that within Spo's system, Trae or Mitchell will be guarding opposing 5s constantly. So it doesn't fix our other glaring issue. We give up way too much size and everyone has to work 5 times as hard as normal to try to cover for it. In a way the Celtics built a team to beat us, and if you have watched them this season and in the playoffs.... They don't really struggle to do anything. This year they literally have all their bases covered. I wish Spo would make the game as easy for our players as Brad Stevens has done.

[3ammy3uck3ts]

If your answer is to sell the farm for Trey Young...your'e asking all the wrong questions.

I’m not sure many are selling the farm outside of Jimmy and Bam (I would our farm is ass) but if the deal Simmons mentioned could actually get it done that’s a no brainer.

With Trae, it all depends on what the cost is. I'm not giving up Jovic, Jaquez, Herro and picks for him. TBH Jovic is untouchable unless it's for a top 10, top 5 guy. Jovic might not turn into Jokic, but I think the dude is still going to be really, really good. He has the physical tools and the skill, he just needs to continue developing. Now if it's Herro, Duncan, and picks, you take that deal and run.

That’s wild on Jovic lol. So you aren’t including him in a Mitchell or Trae trade under any circumstances?

Unfortunately this is why we never get anything meaningful done, the FO overvalues our guys (not wanting to send Herro for Mitchell the first time, not wanting to send Caleb for Dame last summer) and it always backfires.

[3ammy3uck3ts]

Almost nobody on this team knows how to get Bam a rim running lob. If I'm not wrong, I think none of our guys even knew what to do in transition. A Mitchell or Trae does fix that. The only issue is that within Spo's system, Trae or Mitchell will be guarding opposing 5s constantly. So it doesn't fix our other glaring issue. We give up way too much size and everyone has to work 5 times as hard as normal to try to cover for it. In a way the Celtics built a team to beat us, and if you have watched them this season and in the playoffs.... They don't really struggle to do anything. This year they literally have all their bases covered. I wish Spo would make the game as easy for our players as Brad Stevens has done.

Bam was near the bottom of the league in shot quality due to almost everything he does having to be created by himself. He was assisted less than elite offensive bigs like Embiid and Jokic which is wild to me with how much they go iso (especially Embiid). We need to start making Bams life easier on offense AND defense. He can flirt with 25 a night if he’s getting better quality shots and a few easy lobs/dump offs a night

[RexBoyWonder]

If your answer is to sell the farm for Trey Young...your'e asking all the wrong questions.

I’m not sure many are selling the farm outside of Jimmy and Bam (I would our farm is ass) but if the deal Simmons mentioned could actually get it done that’s a no brainer.

Simmons suggested we trade Herro + Duncan + 2FRP - That's a price I'm very willing to pay.

I also highly doubt that's an offer the Hawks will accept in reality.

And Jovic and Jamie is where I draw the line.

[3ammy3uck3ts]

If your answer is to sell the farm for Trey Young...your'e asking all the wrong questions.

I’m not sure many are selling the farm outside of Jimmy and Bam (I would our farm is ass) but if the deal Simmons mentioned could actually get it done that’s a no brainer.

Simmons suggested we trade Herro + Duncan + 2FRP - That's a price I'm very willing to pay.

I also highly doubt that's an offer the Hawks will accept in reality.

And Jovic and Jamie is where I draw the line.

Gotta give to get, we’ll see what happens

[twix2500]

The only reason I am against getting Trae is because I do not feel Spo system is fit for a player like Trae. Point forwards has always been a thing for the Heat and for Spo system to work. Continue building around Bam, Rozier, Jaime and Jovic has been a good start. Unless you can get Mitchell, George or even Middleton. I do believe George is get-a-ble, unless Ballmer is compensating George a lot outside of the NBA. I know there been not public talks, but I do believe Middleton is a player that could be on the move.

[HeatFan_NC]

Pipe dream that Mia could land Trae without having to trade either or both of Jaquez and Jovic

They can have either tbh.

I would say Jacquez is a keeper. He's big, versatile, and can defend. Only apparent weaknesses are inexperience and inconsistency in his jumpshot

[3ammy3uck3ts]

Pipe dream that Mia could land Trae without having to trade either or both of Jaquez and Jovic

They can have either tbh.

I would say Jacquez is a keeper. He's big, versatile, and can defend. Only apparent weaknesses are inexperience and inconsistency in his jumpshot

For a player of Traes caliber they can have their pick of either young guy lol neither will ever be as good as he currently is