**NBA Draft Discussion 2025**

[greg4012]

I think I favor Fleming based on his measurements, athleticism and the fact he’s also a solid shooter already. Hes not one of the of those guys that get to the league off insane size and athleticism and can’t shoot a lick

Fleming is a solid addition to any of the 30 NBA teams. Def value what he brings. He has the least creation upside, but hard to expect much of that with the remaining crop unless its a PG.

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Played against the Blazers in preseason last year. This kid is ready

[greg4012]

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Eager to see measurements for some euro prospects. A real PG with positional size should be a good investment for this team

[twix2500]

Tbh, now that the draft has thinned out so I'm pretty worried if any of the guards I want will be there at 20. Personally, I wouldn't think we'd get a wing, because who at 20 this season could we reasonably expect to help lead an offense in the near future? Any wing capable of that is the high lottery.
PG or back up C are the 2 biggest holes right now. We have 1 legit PG (Rozier is washed, Stevens is too tiny, and Dru has one leg) and no legit back up C (Love is washed). If I was a betting man, I'd unless there were some Gators haters in the staff, Walter Clayton is who I think they'd pick. Mature guard, can run an offense and play off ball, not afraid of the moment, not super small, built tough, has good athleticism on both sides of the ball, can shoot from anywhere on the court. The type of guy Spo would put in the rotation instantly.

Not a lot of point guard needy teams from 10-19. We should be in great shape

I think Clayton replaces a lot of what Duncan does on offense (except for screen setting). Clayton potential to run off screens and be an elite shooter and be able to handle the ball fills a big need in replacing Duncan. Hopefully defensively Clayton becomes a quality defender. I think Clayton private workout will say a lot on how the Heat pursue him. Does he grasp professional play concepts, and can he play right away will hold a ton of value.

PG: Clayton
SG: Herro
SF: Jovic
PF: Adebayo
Ce: Ware

Is that something that can blossom? If Heat are highly confident in this, then resigning Mitchell, moving Wiggins and the other vets for better complementary vets will be a high priority

[MettaWorldPanda]

Tbh, now that the draft has thinned out so I'm pretty worried if any of the guards I want will be there at 20. Personally, I wouldn't think we'd get a wing, because who at 20 this season could we reasonably expect to help lead an offense in the near future? Any wing capable of that is the high lottery.
PG or back up C are the 2 biggest holes right now. We have 1 legit PG (Rozier is washed, Stevens is too tiny, and Dru has one leg) and no legit back up C (Love is washed). If I was a betting man, I'd unless there were some Gators haters in the staff, Walter Clayton is who I think they'd pick. Mature guard, can run an offense and play off ball, not afraid of the moment, not super small, built tough, has good athleticism on both sides of the ball, can shoot from anywhere on the court. The type of guy Spo would put in the rotation instantly.

Not a lot of point guard needy teams from 10-19. We should be in great shape

I think Clayton replaces a lot of what Duncan does on offense (except for screen setting). Clayton potential to run off screens and be an elite shooter and be able to handle the ball fills a big need in replacing Duncan. Hopefully defensively Clayton becomes a quality defender. I think Clayton private workout will say a lot on how the Heat pursue him. Does he grasp professional play concepts, and can he play right away will hold a ton of value.

PG: Clayton
SG: Herro
SF: Jovic
PF: Adebayo
Ce: Ware

Is that something that can blossom? If Heat are highly confident in this, then resigning Mitchell, moving Wiggins and the other vets for better complementary vets will be a high priority

They already took a peek at him during Klutch day but i think he’s pretty much guaranteed a private workout at this point. He’s one of those players i could see impressing big time during his workout. I’m sure he’ll have a fan in UD.

[MettaWorldPanda]

I could understand Greg’s reluctance on WCJ not being a pure creator based off the numbers. I still think he’ll fit in well here but more in the combo guard role that Spo’s seems to make work anyway. He’ll mix in well with Mitchell. In terms of pure playmaking, size, and higher ceiling i have to side with Ben Saraf.

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Eager to see measurements for some euro prospects. A real PG with positional size should be a good investment for this team

Measured: 6’5″ w/o shoes, 8’6″ standing reach, 202 lbs, 6’7.5″ wingspan, 31.5″ max vert at the 2024 Basketball Without Borders …

These were his most recent measurements at 18. Get this kid in the Heat program ASAP. Could see him peak at 6’7 220. Jovic went from 205 to 240 from 18-21.

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[greg4012]

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Eager to see measurements for some euro prospects. A real PG with positional size should be a good investment for this team

Measured: 6’5″ w/o shoes, 8’6″ standing reach, 202 lbs, 6’7.5″ wingspan, 31.5″ max vert at the 2024 Basketball Without Borders …

These were his most recent measurements at 18. Get this kid in the Heat program ASAP. Could see him peak at 6’7 220. Jovic went from 205 to 240 from 18-21.

IDK about him growing 2 inches, but that's nice positional size for the PG game. Max Vert is a bit lackluster. Gotta hope he has the footspeed to defend PGs and we're cooking.

[greg4012]

I could understand Greg’s reluctance on WCJ not being a pure creator based off the numbers. I still think he’ll fit in well here but more in the combo guard role that Spo’s seems to make work anyway. He’ll mix in well with Mitchell. In terms of pure playmaking, size, and higher ceiling i have to side with Ben Saraf.

Can we just blend WCJ and Saraf into one player, please?

[twix2500]

I could understand Greg’s reluctance on WCJ not being a pure creator based off the numbers. I still think he’ll fit in well here but more in the combo guard role that Spo’s seems to make work anyway. He’ll mix in well with Mitchell. In terms of pure playmaking, size, and higher ceiling i have to side with Ben Saraf.

Spo Fit is very important. The Dragic prototype offensively is Spo bag. If the Heat can get some effective mixture of Nunn, Duncan and Dragic type of play would be a huge boost to the offense. Now I do not expect Clayton to be as good as Nunn rookie season but at least show the ability to evolve into something of a very good offensive weapon. That LONG deep 3 ball play was dramatically missing in this year offense.

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[MettaWorldPanda]

Eager to see measurements for some euro prospects. A real PG with positional size should be a good investment for this team

Measured: 6’5″ w/o shoes, 8’6″ standing reach, 202 lbs, 6’7.5″ wingspan, 31.5″ max vert at the 2024 Basketball Without Borders …

These were his most recent measurements at 18. Get this kid in the Heat program ASAP. Could see him peak at 6’7 220. Jovic went from 205 to 240 from 18-21.

IDK about him growing 2 inches, but that's nice positional size for the PG game. Max Vert is a bit lackluster. Gotta hope he has the footspeed to defend PGs and we're cooking.

Hoping that’s 6’7 with shoes. But as of now he’s 6’6 in shoes and that’s plenty coming from the guard spot the way he can handle.

[greg4012]

Measured: 6’5″ w/o shoes, 8’6″ standing reach, 202 lbs, 6’7.5″ wingspan, 31.5″ max vert at the 2024 Basketball Without Borders …

These were his most recent measurements at 18. Get this kid in the Heat program ASAP. Could see him peak at 6’7 220. Jovic went from 205 to 240 from 18-21.

IDK about him growing 2 inches, but that's nice positional size for the PG game. Max Vert is a bit lackluster. Gotta hope he has the footspeed to defend PGs and we're cooking.

Hoping that’s 6’7 with shoes. But as of now he’s 6’6 in shoes and that’s plenty coming from the guard spot the way he can handle.

As long as we all start calling Bam 6’10, I’m here for it

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Here is a good video on Walter Clayton's offensive impact. Off the dribble, spot ups, off dribble handoffs, at the rim, in transition he seems to be above average at all those areas. Including deep 3s.

[twix2500]

So Fland, Philon, Pettiford and Uzan all pull their names out of the draft

[Daffy]

Is it me or WCJ shot seems slow.

[Flash4thewin]

Tbh, now that the draft has thinned out so I'm pretty worried if any of the guards I want will be there at 20. Personally, I wouldn't think we'd get a wing, because who at 20 this season could we reasonably expect to help lead an offense in the near future? Any wing capable of that is the high lottery.
PG or back up C are the 2 biggest holes right now. We have 1 legit PG (Rozier is washed, Stevens is too tiny, and Dru has one leg) and no legit back up C (Love is washed). If I was a betting man, I'd unless there were some Gators haters in the staff, Walter Clayton is who I think they'd pick. Mature guard, can run an offense and play off ball, not afraid of the moment, not super small, built tough, has good athleticism on both sides of the ball, can shoot from anywhere on the court. The type of guy Spo would put in the rotation instantly.

Not a lot of point guard needy teams from 10-19. We should be in great shape

I think Clayton replaces a lot of what Duncan does on offense (except for screen setting). Clayton potential to run off screens and be an elite shooter and be able to handle the ball fills a big need in replacing Duncan. Hopefully defensively Clayton becomes a quality defender. I think Clayton private workout will say a lot on how the Heat pursue him. Does he grasp professional play concepts, and can he play right away will hold a ton of value.

PG: Clayton
SG: Herro
SF: Jovic
PF: Adebayo
Ce: Ware

Is that something that can blossom? If Heat are highly confident in this, then resigning Mitchell, moving Wiggins and the other vets for better complementary vets will be a high priority

Isn’t Jovic best at PF?
Isn’t Bam best at C?

Feels like we are trying to fit a square peg into a circular slot.

[MettaWorldPanda]

Not a lot of point guard needy teams from 10-19. We should be in great shape

I think Clayton replaces a lot of what Duncan does on offense (except for screen setting). Clayton potential to run off screens and be an elite shooter and be able to handle the ball fills a big need in replacing Duncan. Hopefully defensively Clayton becomes a quality defender. I think Clayton private workout will say a lot on how the Heat pursue him. Does he grasp professional play concepts, and can he play right away will hold a ton of value.

PG: Clayton
SG: Herro
SF: Jovic
PF: Adebayo
Ce: Ware

Is that something that can blossom? If Heat are highly confident in this, then resigning Mitchell, moving Wiggins and the other vets for better complementary vets will be a high priority

Isn’t Jovic best at PF?
Isn’t Bam best at C?

Feels like we are trying to fit a square peg into a circular slot.

There’s no chance of Spo playing Jovic at SF at his new playing weight of 240.

[twix2500]

Not a lot of point guard needy teams from 10-19. We should be in great shape

I think Clayton replaces a lot of what Duncan does on offense (except for screen setting). Clayton potential to run off screens and be an elite shooter and be able to handle the ball fills a big need in replacing Duncan. Hopefully defensively Clayton becomes a quality defender. I think Clayton private workout will say a lot on how the Heat pursue him. Does he grasp professional play concepts, and can he play right away will hold a ton of value.

PG: Clayton
SG: Herro
SF: Jovic
PF: Adebayo
Ce: Ware

Is that something that can blossom? If Heat are highly confident in this, then resigning Mitchell, moving Wiggins and the other vets for better complementary vets will be a high priority

Isn’t Jovic best at PF?
Isn’t Bam best at C?

Feels like we are trying to fit a square peg into a circular slot.

Depends on the new philosphy changes and the grown of Ware and Bam stretching out their games. Need to make sure you have a reliable ball handler on the court to with Herro and Jovic. Even if he starts at SF, he will still rotate 3 to 5 like always. My opinion is that its time to start making him a focal point of the offense to be that third guy with Herro and Bam. He still has to prove it but I do think the oppurtunity should be looked at strongly in camp.