2025 Regular Season Thread Vol. 9

[VaDe255]

I feel like Jimmy is scared to get injured, once playoffs come he’ll turn it on. If he plays passive in the post season the fans and media are gonna chew him up.

Doubt it, a lot of people don't realize how freaking good Jimmy was 20-23 with the Heat.
His regular season impact was MVP level!!!

Only 24 and 25 season he had not have that kind of impact, could be due to decline or motivation, who really knows.

I'd need to see Playoff Jimmy again, before I'd believe that guy still exists, because he hasn't for the last 2 years.

[SoFlaKingReal]

The Jimmy Butler divorce was all about money. The Heat did not want invest into a player that plays 3/4 of the season. Jimmy believed he could get an extension to his contract from a team, and ultimately, he was right. If the Heat had no intention of extending him as the market could have, I understand why Jimmy wanted out. Jimmy should have asked for a trade when the Heat delayed contract talks. Give the team 4 months to trade him.

In my opinion, the player should be able to ask for a trade if the team is not willing to engage in contract extension talks. If it is discovered that an outside team is willing to extend the contract on a trade, the team can either trade the player or pay the player.

How about players honor their current contract?

[3ammy3uck3ts]

If the Bulls win tonight against the Cavs that basically ends the chance to pass them up in the standings, I doubt they lose to either Washington or Philly to close out the year. If they lose tonight and beat us tomorrow that’ll eliminate that chance we pass them up basically.

If the Hawks win one of their 2 games against the Magic that’ll end the chance to pass them up. We hold the tiebreaker (if they lose 1 game to the Magic and we beat the Wizards) but they shouldn’t lose to the tanking nets or Sixers.

We close the season @Chicago, @New Orleans, and vs Washington. We’ll see if the guys show up ready to go

[SoFlaKingReal]

Heat didn’t know when they signed Butler to a 4 year extension that he would quit on the team halfway through the contract unless he was extended again.

[HeatGuyInChicago]

The Jimmy Butler divorce was all about money. The Heat did not want invest into a player that plays 3/4 of the season. Jimmy believed he could get an extension to his contract from a team, and ultimately, he was right. If the Heat had no intention of extending him as the market could have, I understand why Jimmy wanted out. Jimmy should have asked for a trade when the Heat delayed contract talks. Give the team 4 months to trade him.

In my opinion, the player should be able to ask for a trade if the team is not willing to engage in contract extension talks. If it is discovered that an outside team is willing to extend the contract on a trade, the team can either trade the player or pay the player.

How about players honor their current contract?

How do you feel about the way the Heat handled compensating Dwyane Wade? Jimmy got us to the championship game twice with no Shaq and no LeBron. Jimmy wanted to be extended to stay here. I would not have handled the situation the way Jimmy handled it, but what other choice did he have? He realized that the Heat were not going to commit to him for an extra year and probably not offer him market value like they did to Wade. He could opt out after the season, but the only team with cap space is the Nets. The Nets would have $53mil. Butler's team option is $54mil. I am not sure that the Nets would have wanted him, so is that really an option for him?

As much as I disliked the way Jimmy handled the situation, I can see why he had no choice. For most basketball players, their contracts are their primary means of income for their life.

[al bondiga]

Take it easy... BAM Upside was the biggest I have seen since wade... Maybe the biggest in the nba For a few years and At that time

it is obvious bam has been derailed by playing center all the time... So take it easy with ware...

expectations, mentors and coaches are huge at his age...Let him develop on his own for a few years... He still things to prove so he can be a starter in this league.

[SoFlaKingReal]

The Jimmy Butler divorce was all about money. The Heat did not want invest into a player that plays 3/4 of the season. Jimmy believed he could get an extension to his contract from a team, and ultimately, he was right. If the Heat had no intention of extending him as the market could have, I understand why Jimmy wanted out. Jimmy should have asked for a trade when the Heat delayed contract talks. Give the team 4 months to trade him.

In my opinion, the player should be able to ask for a trade if the team is not willing to engage in contract extension talks. If it is discovered that an outside team is willing to extend the contract on a trade, the team can either trade the player or pay the player.

How about players honor their current contract?

How do you feel about the way the Heat handled compensating Dwyane Wade? Jimmy got us to the championship game twice with no Shaq and no LeBron. Jimmy wanted to be extended to stay here. I would not have handled the situation the way Jimmy handled it, but what other choice did he have? He realized that the Heat were not going to commit to him for an extra year and probably not offer him market value like they did to Wade. He could opt out after the season, but the only team with cap space is the Nets. The Nets would have $53mil. Butler's team option is $54mil. I am not sure that the Nets would have wanted him, so is that really an option for him?

As much as I disliked the way Jimmy handled the situation, I can see why he had no choice. For most basketball players, their contracts are their primary means of income for their life.

Jimmy was already extended by the Heat. Then he quit on the team halfway through the extension because they wanted him to prove he could still shoulder the load before extending him again.

As far as D-Wade goes, its a shame the way it went down. The Bulls massively overpaid him though and he was cut by them after one year and soon came crawling back to Miami.

[HeatGuyInChicago]

How about players honor their current contract?

How do you feel about the way the Heat handled compensating Dwyane Wade? Jimmy got us to the championship game twice with no Shaq and no LeBron. Jimmy wanted to be extended to stay here. I would not have handled the situation the way Jimmy handled it, but what other choice did he have? He realized that the Heat were not going to commit to him for an extra year and probably not offer him market value like they did to Wade. He could opt out after the season, but the only team with cap space is the Nets. The Nets would have $53mil. Butler's team option is $54mil. I am not sure that the Nets would have wanted him, so is that really an option for him?

As much as I disliked the way Jimmy handled the situation, I can see why he had no choice. For most basketball players, their contracts are their primary means of income for their life.

Jimmy was already extended by the Heat. Then he quit on the team halfway through the extension because they wanted him to prove he could still shoulder the load before extending him again.

As far as D-Wade goes, its a shame the way it went down. The Bulls massively overpaid him though and he was cut by them after one year and soon came crawling back to Miami.

I actually think we agree on this. Jimmy was not going to be able to negotiate another max deal at his age after the contract. He did what was best for him. Here is the reality of this. 95% of players are this way, and you need to be able to attract free agents. It does not look good when your star player with high level accomplishments leaves the organization with the drama like Wade and Butler have.

[twix2500]

The Jimmy Butler divorce was all about money. The Heat did not want invest into a player that plays 3/4 of the season. Jimmy believed he could get an extension to his contract from a team, and ultimately, he was right. If the Heat had no intention of extending him as the market could have, I understand why Jimmy wanted out. Jimmy should have asked for a trade when the Heat delayed contract talks. Give the team 4 months to trade him.

In my opinion, the player should be able to ask for a trade if the team is not willing to engage in contract extension talks. If it is discovered that an outside team is willing to extend the contract on a trade, the team can either trade the player or pay the player.

How about players honor their current contract?

How do you feel about the way the Heat handled compensating Dwyane Wade? Jimmy got us to the championship game twice with no Shaq and no LeBron. Jimmy wanted to be extended to stay here. I would not have handled the situation the way Jimmy handled it, but what other choice did he have? He realized that the Heat were not going to commit to him for an extra year and probably not offer him market value like they did to Wade. He could opt out after the season, but the only team with cap space is the Nets. The Nets would have $53mil. Butler's team option is $54mil. I am not sure that the Nets would have wanted him, so is that really an option for him?

As much as I disliked the way Jimmy handled the situation, I can see why he had no choice. For most basketball players, their contracts are their primary means of income for their life.

Heat wanted Butler to retire as a Heat. There was never a question on giving him an extension. The question was at what number.

The Wade situation was more about how the Heat presented him. Wade admitted that he was hurt on how the Heat handle him. Wade specifically mentioned that he felt disrespected and taken for granted when the Heat took care of Whiteside first and got a bigger offer. If the Heat would of talked to Wade and took care of him first Wade would of never left Miami. Wade mentioned that the first time Bosh got his deal first but he was OK with that because he considered Bosh as his brother. But when Whiteside got his deal first he felt backhanded.

I agree with Wade on that. I thought Whiteside should have gotten what Dragic got at the MOST.

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[3ammy3uck3ts]

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Mitchell 6’2
Herro 6’5
KD 7’0
Bam 6’9
Ware 7’0

That’s some elite size and defense right there. Will be easy to hide Tyler between all that and the offense will be top 10 as well. Defense is probably top 5.

[al bondiga]

I feel like Jimmy is scared to get injured, once playoffs come he’ll turn it on. If he plays passive in the post season the fans and media are gonna chew him up.

Doubt it, a lot of people don't realize how freaking good Jimmy was 20-23 with the Heat.
His regular season impact was MVP level!!!

Only 24 and 25 season he had not have that kind of impact, could be due to decline or motivation, who really knows.

I'd need to see Playoff Jimmy again, before I'd believe that guy still exists, because he hasn't for the last 2 years.

Ofcourse Jimmy wasn't that in Miami, but he wasn't that good either.

For example jb influence bam was unmistakably good ... At first

After a few years you're of been by bam's and herro side and being on in the Miami Heat team... jb Was not a good guy to have around

I bet on the warriors It will be the same, but The Time For jb is a lot shorter. . I don't think he will be Playoff Jimmy even now...if curry has an espectacular exit, maybe we see a competitive jb, but that is it.

D green has to be grea Also... it all depends on the NBA And it's media Cheering them on.

[Voltron914]

Butler and Curry combined for 16 points yikes!

Go ahead and hand them the championship!!

Not to sound bitter (although it will) but winning record aside, I think Jimmy is being exposed a bit right now. For the first time in his career he's on a team where the expectations are above whatever he can normally perform, and its showing by how passive he's being in a lot of these games. I do think he's smart to play within his means, but it shows he's not what some people think he is, which is a top 10 player that can turn it on or off at will. That mythos got blown way out of proportion because in his time in Miami and his other stops, the expectations were never that high for him or his teams, so he could have off nights or nights he just blends into the crowd and not get called out for it.

2023 is perceived by national media as the Jimmy team/year, but in reality it was more like the Bucks series (where Giannis got hurt) and then a fun moment between Grant Williams in the Celtics series. Besides that, he played at about his usual level, and we won because we as a team played like the 2014 Spurs. I know people will say the ankle caused it, but we can only go by the actual results. He was a complete no-show against the Nuggets, and any proper top 10 player would have gotten killed for that, but not him because everything was exceeding expectations.

Now for the first time, he's pretty much regarded as a star player (due to all his exploits in the postseason with us), and he's on a team with championship pedigree, with a player better than himself. He has to go out and get it. And in a way I almost feel bad for him. Not financially of course, but you can see he's just not that guy, or even if he was, he has clearly lost a step.

It is what it is, I don't hate him because in the end it was just about the money, but I think people are going to be really happy we're not giving him 60+ million dollars two years from now.

Great breakdown. When we traded for him no one considered us a contender or jimmy a superstar. They just we were the next team he would quit on which did come true those championship runs was a team effort and i believe the locker room guys were tired
Of hearing that they were the scrubs carried by jimmy when it never happened before. I already saw golden state fans split by either saying he is too passive not looking to score vs he is saving it for the playoffs. Just have to wait and see.

The Bright spot tho is Ware!! Finally we might have another all star center to carry us into the future. I know Riley is whale hunting again this summer but i really wouldnt mind running this team back with a healthy Jovic Wiggins etc. we dont have the pressure of being a championship team anymore so we can internally develop and grow

[Enso]

I feel like Jimmy is scared to get injured, once playoffs come he’ll turn it on. If he plays passive in the post season the fans and media are gonna chew him up.

Doubt it, a lot of people don't realize how freaking good Jimmy was 20-23 with the Heat.
His regular season impact was MVP level!!!

Only 24 and 25 season he had not have that kind of impact, could be due to decline or motivation, who really knows.

I'd need to see Playoff Jimmy again, before I'd believe that guy still exists, because he hasn't for the last 2 years.

While Jimmy would have his moments during the regular season I disagree. He tended to coast and missed a lot of games, hence my theory about him trying to preserve himself for the playoffs. We would lose crucial games that we needed during the regular season all the time. His intensity goes up in the playoffs everyone has seen it.

[VaDe255]

I feel like Jimmy is scared to get injured, once playoffs come he’ll turn it on. If he plays passive in the post season the fans and media are gonna chew him up.

Doubt it, a lot of people don't realize how freaking good Jimmy was 20-23 with the Heat.
His regular season impact was MVP level!!!

Only 24 and 25 season he had not have that kind of impact, could be due to decline or motivation, who really knows.

I'd need to see Playoff Jimmy again, before I'd believe that guy still exists, because he hasn't for the last 2 years.

While Jimmy would have his moments during the regular season I disagree. He tended to coast and missed a lot of games, hence my theory about him trying to preserve himself for the playoffs. We would lose crucial games that we needed during the regular season all the time. His intensity goes up in the playoffs everyone has seen it.

Exactly what I'm saying and people just get it wrong and media/fans like their narratives.
If you look at objective metrics like LERBRON/EPM, you'll see he clearly played at MVP level (this is regular season data) (4/5+ is MVP, 2/3 Allstar allstar level).
He dragged feaking Gabe/Strus into playoffs in 23 and into the finals, played MVP level through 20-23 with the Heat.

He clearly declined 24 and 25. It's no surprise this team went onto 10 game losing streak after he was gone.

If Jimmy still has that level in him, the GSW are a big threat, hasn't shown it though for a while.

[Enso]

Doubt it, a lot of people don't realize how freaking good Jimmy was 20-23 with the Heat.
His regular season impact was MVP level!!!

Only 24 and 25 season he had not have that kind of impact, could be due to decline or motivation, who really knows.

I'd need to see Playoff Jimmy again, before I'd believe that guy still exists, because he hasn't for the last 2 years.

While Jimmy would have his moments during the regular season I disagree. He tended to coast and missed a lot of games, hence my theory about him trying to preserve himself for the playoffs. We would lose crucial games that we needed during the regular season all the time. His intensity goes up in the playoffs everyone has seen it.

Exactly what I'm saying and people just get it wrong and media/fans like their narratives.
If you look at objective metrics like LERBRON/EPM, you'll see he clearly played at MVP level (this is regular season data) (4/5+ is MVP, 2/3 Allstar allstar level).
He dragged feaking Gabe/Strus into playoffs in 23 and into the finals, played MVP level through 20-23 with the Heat.

He clearly declined 24 and 25. It's no surprise this team went onto 10 game losing streak after he was gone.

If Jimmy still has that level in him, the GSW are a big threat, hasn't shown it though for a while.

What advanced stat is that chart pointing to ?

[Daffy]

Let me cook for a moment.......Jokic to Miami.

[VaDe255]

While Jimmy would have his moments during the regular season I disagree. He tended to coast and missed a lot of games, hence my theory about him trying to preserve himself for the playoffs. We would lose crucial games that we needed during the regular season all the time. His intensity goes up in the playoffs everyone has seen it.

Exactly what I'm saying and people just get it wrong and media/fans like their narratives.
If you look at objective metrics like LERBRON/EPM, you'll see he clearly played at MVP level (this is regular season data) (4/5+ is MVP, 2/3 Allstar allstar level).
He dragged feaking Gabe/Strus into playoffs in 23 and into the finals, played MVP level through 20-23 with the Heat.

He clearly declined 24 and 25. It's no surprise this team went onto 10 game losing streak after he was gone.

If Jimmy still has that level in him, the GSW are a big threat, hasn't shown it though for a while.

What advanced stat is that chart pointing to ?

LEBRON (Luck-adjusted Player Estimate using a Box prior Regularized ON-off) and EPM (Estimated Plus-Minus) are advanced stats used by NBA teams and analysts to measure a player's true impact on winning; way beyond points or highlights, this isn't some fan made up stuff.

LEBRON focuses on how much better a team performs when a player is on the court, adjusting for teammates and matchups.
EPM takes it further with on-ball value and luck adjustments, aiming to capture all-around impact; offense, defense, everything.

A score around +5 is MVP-level, +2 to +3 is All-Star. So when Jimmy was putting up +4 or +5 from 2020–2023, he was playing elite basketball, whether fans noticed or not and that’s backed by data the league actually uses.

You can find LEBRON on BBall-Index.com and EPM on DunksAndThrees.com. Both sites update regularly and break down these stats for every player, showing offensive, defensive, and total impact. Great spots if you wanna dig deeper into the numbers behind the game.

[3ammy3uck3ts]

Let me cook for a moment.......Jokic to Miami.

Came here to say the same, stay tuned.

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