Miami Heat Regular Season/Speculation Thread 2021 Part 3

[contract]

Do you guys remember the time, before this season started, that I made a thread saying we need to trade Tyler Herro and Duncan Robinson while their value was in the clouds, before their value falls back down to earth after that cinderella run. But the Heat FO was highly valuing Herro and refusing to move them ASAP. And then I said the Heat would be an early round exit in the playoffs and I was 100% sure they would not return to the Finals if we don't make these trades?

Pepperidge farm remembers.

Unfortunately 1 year of Butler's remaining prime is now gone. We better not waste the next one.

problem is if he's gonna be giving us 10 pts in a playoff game, then what exactly are we wasting going forward?

Life gets easier when you're not taking on the opposing team single-handedly.

[AirP.]

If you let them go, you're not getting better nor are you getting a good enough talent to build towards a championship contender.

That's true, but we don't have a contender with them. I don't like carrying garbage on our cap. I don't want to have to pay someone to haul it away.

I get you don't like the value of certain players but getting lesser players doesn't make the team better and there is a minimum that each team has to spend.

What is the alternative other than to be bad for the next half decade or more. Just saying no bringing them back doesn't magically bring good young players to the roster. Butler's maxed, Bam's maxed, Robinson is going to get paid, there's not a lot of wiggle room to do anything after this summer unless you're moving Bam or Butler, possibly Oladipo if he comes back healthy.

If you're running out Oladipo, Butler, Robinson, <some stretch 4>, and Bam that's a good team, you work on developing players and hope to be in the position to make a trade for another difference maker or hope to find/develop another good player.

We're simply going to have to overpay for a proven player. Winning a trade doesn't matter. Winning a championship does. Jimmy is the best player we've had here since LeBron split. Wasting him would be negligent because there's no telling when another player that good will come here. Splitting hairs over compensation for a proven vet (but not an ancient vet) doesn't make any sense. Every single player on this team with the exception of Jimmy, Bam, and Dragic on a good healthy day, is readily replaceable. And the only one who still needs to be here next year is Jimmy. That means package every damn body with positive value and every pick available, get the best veteran you can, and go from there.

Paying Robinson would be foolish. Spending another year of Jimmy's prime hoping Oladipo turns back into what he was that one year would be insane.

The real problem is Pat. He doesn't seem to feel any urgency.

The alternative is to be bad ,really bad during Bam's prime.

Bring back Robinson, Dragic, Ariza, Oladipo, Dedmon but also make a trade to bring in another high level player. Keep working with Bam to expand his game to try to make him a top 10 player. It seems that Miami doesn't value stretch 4s very well and are good with acquiring short term vet 4s for very little assets(which isn't bad logic if you're utilizing your assets at the other positions, you have to go cheap somewhere).

[al bondiga]

eastern conference is a show /competition/ entertainment so we should realize we problaby will not be far off from the finals with the players we have for the future... Bam, hero , Robinson , nunn... we just need to have chemistry and this year we didn't have much... move on, It's Not Over but let's face it it's going to be extremely hard and even if by some miracle we pull it off next round players we'll have nothing left in the tank

[eddieheatfan]

https://www.msn.com/en-us/sports/nba/stephen-a-smith-says-kawhi-leonard-could-go-to-the-miami-heat-undercover-wise-his-relationship-with-jimmy-butler-is-pretty-damn-good/ar-AAKnsji?ocid=winp1taskbar

[marson]

https://www.msn.com/en-us/sports/nba/stephen-a-smith-says-kawhi-leonard-could-go-to-the-miami-heat-undercover-wise-his-relationship-with-jimmy-butler-is-pretty-damn-good/ar-AAKnsji?ocid=winp1taskbar

Dallas in 5 then

[SDC]

https://www.msn.com/en-us/sports/nba/stephen-a-smith-says-kawhi-leonard-could-go-to-the-miami-heat-undercover-wise-his-relationship-with-jimmy-butler-is-pretty-damn-good/ar-AAKnsji?ocid=winp1taskbar

Dallas in 5 then

So Kawhi wants to move to a new team that also got swept?

[puppa bear]

https://www.msn.com/en-us/sports/nba/stephen-a-smith-says-kawhi-leonard-could-go-to-the-miami-heat-undercover-wise-his-relationship-with-jimmy-butler-is-pretty-damn-good/ar-AAKnsji?ocid=winp1taskbar

Dallas in 5 then

So Kawhi wants to move to a new team that also got swept?

Kawhi, and many other players, respect the ah!t out of Jimmy for how hard he works. There’s a bunch that just can’t match it or deal with it. But there’s a cross-section that love it and thrive around that.

Kawhi is one of those types of players, but his uncle has made things around him a bit loopy. If Kawhi presses reset on the diva stuff and wants to just double down on legacy, then Miami is a possible new home.

[HeatingUp3]

Good job Mavs. 2 more to go
#welcometotheclow

[MettaWorldPanda]

Kawhi is not coming here. Stop falling for the media garbage. Butler has a better chance of ending up on the Clippers.

[AirP.]

Kawhi is not coming here. Stop falling for the media garbage. Butler has a better chance of ending up on the Clippers.

I didn't think there was a chance of Giannis going to Miami anytime soon, at the very least he was waiting till after signing his max but I do see a "chance" that Kawhi leaves LA and I think he'd look at both Miami and New York. Clipper history comes into play, in the recent history the Clippers did Blake dirty, they talked and did a huge presentation for Blake about retiring as a Clipper to get him to resign only to trade him to Detroit for assets 6 months later. If this team doesn't go deep into the playoffs I could see the Clippers trying to only resign Kawhi to move him in a year for assets vs lose him for nothing. Kawhi should be highly aware of what LA did to Blake, even if he gets a no trade clause he LA could still move George leaving Kawhi on a rebuilding team which he'd probably ask to be traded from and waiving his no trade clause.

[Beenie]

https://www.msn.com/en-us/sports/nba/stephen-a-smith-says-kawhi-leonard-could-go-to-the-miami-heat-undercover-wise-his-relationship-with-jimmy-butler-is-pretty-damn-good/ar-AAKnsji?ocid=winp1taskbar

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[HeatIn5]

I’m feelin Kawhi to the Warriors

[HeatIn5]

Rumor is these will be next years Hometown addition.

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[Flash4thewin]

Kawhi is not coming here. Stop falling for the media garbage. Butler has a better chance of ending up on the Clippers.

I didn't think there was a chance of Giannis going to Miami anytime soon, at the very least he was waiting till after signing his max but I do see a "chance" that Kawhi leaves LA and I think he'd look at both Miami and New York. Clipper history comes into play, in the recent history the Clippers did Blake dirty, they talked and did a huge presentation for Blake about retiring as a Clipper to get him to resign only to trade him to Detroit for assets 6 months later. If this team doesn't go deep into the playoffs I could see the Clippers trying to only resign Kawhi to move him in a year for assets vs lose him for nothing. Kawhi should be highly aware of what LA did to Blake, even if he gets a no trade clause he LA could still move George leaving Kawhi on a rebuilding team which he'd probably ask to be traded from and waiving his no trade clause.

Lets be real, the Clippers are looking at us like a dumpster fire and they will whisper sweet nothings to Butler to make him request a trade. Kawhi knows what the Clippers did and didn't care because its LA. Pg-13 is actually showing up these playoffs avg like 24/9 on 50% shooting. Well he is showing up compared to last playoffs. Kawhi just dropped 40 points, he is playing with passion. They need to fix the roster but they have an owner who will pay to do it, will that happen, no idea. I would love to think that we have a chance but honestly odds are more likely Butler forces his way out.

Now if Butler does force his way out, the Warriors depending on how the draft turns out would be a team to look at. Then again maybe Butler finally flips a switch and goes crazy in a game 3 and drags us to a win. Who knows at this point.

[AirP.]

Kawhi is not coming here. Stop falling for the media garbage. Butler has a better chance of ending up on the Clippers.

I didn't think there was a chance of Giannis going to Miami anytime soon, at the very least he was waiting till after signing his max but I do see a "chance" that Kawhi leaves LA and I think he'd look at both Miami and New York. Clipper history comes into play, in the recent history the Clippers did Blake dirty, they talked and did a huge presentation for Blake about retiring as a Clipper to get him to resign only to trade him to Detroit for assets 6 months later. If this team doesn't go deep into the playoffs I could see the Clippers trying to only resign Kawhi to move him in a year for assets vs lose him for nothing. Kawhi should be highly aware of what LA did to Blake, even if he gets a no trade clause he LA could still move George leaving Kawhi on a rebuilding team which he'd probably ask to be traded from and waiving his no trade clause.

Lets be real, the Clippers are looking at us like a dumpster fire and they will whisper sweet nothings to Butler to make him request a trade. Kawhi knows what the Clippers did and didn't care because its LA. Pg-13 is actually showing up these playoffs avg like 24/9 on 50% shooting. Well he is showing up compared to last playoffs. Kawhi just dropped 40 points, he is playing with passion. They need to fix the roster but they have an owner who will pay to do it, will that happen, no idea. I would love to think that we have a chance but honestly odds are more likely Butler forces his way out.

Now if Butler does force his way out, the Warriors depending on how the draft turns out would be a team to look at. Then again maybe Butler finally flips a switch and goes crazy in a game 3 and drags us to a win. Who knows at this point.

PG and Kawhi signed 2+1s, PG extended after his first year, Kawhi did not. It's a risk for Kawhi with his history of injuries to not sign a long term contract at age 29, so he either did it to give him a chance to leave after this season or to have the power to push the Clippers to do his bidding to get him to extend. I believe Kawhi wants the best of both worlds, the money and to compete and to me would be Miami and New York. There really aren't that many teams he could go to. GS would be a thought, something like Wiggins, Wiseman + more for Kawhi, Miami could make enough space to straight up add him to Butler, Bam, Robinson and possibly Nunn in the east in the East, NY will have cap space but outside of that, I'm not too sure how many more teams could add Kawhi and still be a Championship contender, maybe Philly if they move Simmons for him but the thing is, Kawhi would have to want to sign and trade to go to these teams since he may be a FA.

I though the Clippers really screwed themselves for a long time by doing what they did to Blake. With both Kawhi and George entering their 30s, it's plausible to the Clippers to decide where either one of them end up playing till the end of their current(at the time) contracts. I wouldn't trust LA if I were Kawhi, if he can get a no trade clause he could feel somewhat better about signing long term with them.

[Flash4thewin]

I didn't think there was a chance of Giannis going to Miami anytime soon, at the very least he was waiting till after signing his max but I do see a "chance" that Kawhi leaves LA and I think he'd look at both Miami and New York. Clipper history comes into play, in the recent history the Clippers did Blake dirty, they talked and did a huge presentation for Blake about retiring as a Clipper to get him to resign only to trade him to Detroit for assets 6 months later. If this team doesn't go deep into the playoffs I could see the Clippers trying to only resign Kawhi to move him in a year for assets vs lose him for nothing. Kawhi should be highly aware of what LA did to Blake, even if he gets a no trade clause he LA could still move George leaving Kawhi on a rebuilding team which he'd probably ask to be traded from and waiving his no trade clause.

Lets be real, the Clippers are looking at us like a dumpster fire and they will whisper sweet nothings to Butler to make him request a trade. Kawhi knows what the Clippers did and didn't care because its LA. Pg-13 is actually showing up these playoffs avg like 24/9 on 50% shooting. Well he is showing up compared to last playoffs. Kawhi just dropped 40 points, he is playing with passion. They need to fix the roster but they have an owner who will pay to do it, will that happen, no idea. I would love to think that we have a chance but honestly odds are more likely Butler forces his way out.

Now if Butler does force his way out, the Warriors depending on how the draft turns out would be a team to look at. Then again maybe Butler finally flips a switch and goes crazy in a game 3 and drags us to a win. Who knows at this point.

PG and Kawhi signed 2+1s, PG extended after his first year, Kawhi did not. It's a risk for Kawhi with his history of injuries to not sign a long term contract at age 29, so he either did it to give him a chance to leave after this season or to have the power to push the Clippers to do his bidding to get him to extend. I believe Kawhi wants the best of both worlds, the money and to compete and to me would be Miami and New York. There really aren't that many teams he could go to. GS would be a thought, something like Wiggins, Wiseman + more for Kawhi, Miami could make enough space to straight up add him to Butler, Bam, Robinson and possibly Nunn in the east in the East, NY will have cap space but outside of that, I'm not too sure how many more teams could add Kawhi and still be a Championship contender, maybe Philly if they move Simmons for him but the thing is, Kawhi would have to want to sign and trade to go to these teams since he may be a FA.

I though the Clippers really screwed themselves for a long time by doing what they did to Blake. With both Kawhi and George entering their 30s, it's plausible to the Clippers to decide where either one of them end up playing till the end of their current(at the time) contracts. I wouldn't trust LA if I were Kawhi, if he can get a no trade clause he could feel somewhat better about signing long term with them.

I agree with basically everything you are saying. The problem is Kawhi doesn't have winning as his 1st priority, its all about what he wants. He wants to be in LA, live the LA lifestyle. For those reasons Miami and NY make no sense. NY the press will eat him alive, he doesnt want to deal with that. Here he would have to play back, to back game, be held accountable etc. Thats like Spurs 2.0,which he bailed on that. He's happy making the playoffs, not having to put effort during the season and just living his life while being the face of the franchise.

[NBADraft2003]

Lets be real, the Clippers are looking at us like a dumpster fire and they will whisper sweet nothings to Butler to make him request a trade. Kawhi knows what the Clippers did and didn't care because its LA. Pg-13 is actually showing up these playoffs avg like 24/9 on 50% shooting. Well he is showing up compared to last playoffs. Kawhi just dropped 40 points, he is playing with passion. They need to fix the roster but they have an owner who will pay to do it, will that happen, no idea. I would love to think that we have a chance but honestly odds are more likely Butler forces his way out.

Now if Butler does force his way out, the Warriors depending on how the draft turns out would be a team to look at. Then again maybe Butler finally flips a switch and goes crazy in a game 3 and drags us to a win. Who knows at this point.

PG and Kawhi signed 2+1s, PG extended after his first year, Kawhi did not. It's a risk for Kawhi with his history of injuries to not sign a long term contract at age 29, so he either did it to give him a chance to leave after this season or to have the power to push the Clippers to do his bidding to get him to extend. I believe Kawhi wants the best of both worlds, the money and to compete and to me would be Miami and New York. There really aren't that many teams he could go to. GS would be a thought, something like Wiggins, Wiseman + more for Kawhi, Miami could make enough space to straight up add him to Butler, Bam, Robinson and possibly Nunn in the east in the East, NY will have cap space but outside of that, I'm not too sure how many more teams could add Kawhi and still be a Championship contender, maybe Philly if they move Simmons for him but the thing is, Kawhi would have to want to sign and trade to go to these teams since he may be a FA.

I though the Clippers really screwed themselves for a long time by doing what they did to Blake. With both Kawhi and George entering their 30s, it's plausible to the Clippers to decide where either one of them end up playing till the end of their current(at the time) contracts. I wouldn't trust LA if I were Kawhi, if he can get a no trade clause he could feel somewhat better about signing long term with them.

I agree with basically everything you are saying. The problem is Kawhi doesn't have winning as his 1st priority, its all about what he wants. He wants to be in LA, live the LA lifestyle. For those reasons Miami and NY make no sense. NY the press will eat him alive, he doesnt want to deal with that. Here he would have to play back, to back game, be held accountable etc. Thats like Spurs 2.0,which he bailed on that. He's happy making the playoffs, not having to put effort during the season and just living his life while being the face of the franchise.

This is not even true. You don’t think that dudes first priority was winning when recruited all these dudes to come join him in there? He’s been trying to get to LA before he got traded to Toronto. I don’t think he’s going anywhere regardless of the outcome of their postseason, there’s no sort of linkage other than a talking head stirring up stuff for a trash network. If he comes here, I’d be surprised. But if he doesn’t, nobody should be blaming anybody in the organization because it’s a loooonnngggg shot anyway so don’t get your hopes up. He also played in back to backs this season and the only reason he didn’t last year was because of injuries from the season prior. If not putting up effort is 25/7/5 on 51/40/89 then I’ll be damned because I wish Jimmy and Bam were that effortless, he’s been phenomenal this season and off to a great start in their series.

[Flash4thewin]

PG and Kawhi signed 2+1s, PG extended after his first year, Kawhi did not. It's a risk for Kawhi with his history of injuries to not sign a long term contract at age 29, so he either did it to give him a chance to leave after this season or to have the power to push the Clippers to do his bidding to get him to extend. I believe Kawhi wants the best of both worlds, the money and to compete and to me would be Miami and New York. There really aren't that many teams he could go to. GS would be a thought, something like Wiggins, Wiseman + more for Kawhi, Miami could make enough space to straight up add him to Butler, Bam, Robinson and possibly Nunn in the east in the East, NY will have cap space but outside of that, I'm not too sure how many more teams could add Kawhi and still be a Championship contender, maybe Philly if they move Simmons for him but the thing is, Kawhi would have to want to sign and trade to go to these teams since he may be a FA.

I though the Clippers really screwed themselves for a long time by doing what they did to Blake. With both Kawhi and George entering their 30s, it's plausible to the Clippers to decide where either one of them end up playing till the end of their current(at the time) contracts. I wouldn't trust LA if I were Kawhi, if he can get a no trade clause he could feel somewhat better about signing long term with them.

I agree with basically everything you are saying. The problem is Kawhi doesn't have winning as his 1st priority, its all about what he wants. He wants to be in LA, live the LA lifestyle. For those reasons Miami and NY make no sense. NY the press will eat him alive, he doesnt want to deal with that. Here he would have to play back, to back game, be held accountable etc. Thats like Spurs 2.0,which he bailed on that. He's happy making the playoffs, not having to put effort during the season and just living his life while being the face of the franchise.

This is not even true. You don’t think that dudes first priority was winning when recruited all these dudes to come join him in there? He’s been trying to get to LA before he got traded to Toronto. I don’t think he’s going anywhere regardless of the outcome of their postseason, there’s no sort of linkage other than a talking head stirring up stuff for a trash network. If he comes here, I’d be surprised. But if he doesn’t, nobody should be blaming anybody in the organization because it’s a loooonnngggg shot anyway so don’t get your hopes up. He also played in back to backs this season and the only reason he didn’t last year was because of injuries from the season prior. If not putting up effort is 25/7/5 on 51/40/89 then I’ll be damned because I wish Jimmy and Bam were that effortless, he’s been phenomenal this season and off to a great start in their series.

The Clips got embarrassed last year, and they got a new coach, of course they will play with more effort this year. They got clowned on all last offseason. We had the pandemic p memes. Kawhi wants to make the playoffs, in the West you need another star player. If Kawhi just wanted rings he would have teamed up with the Laker, he didnt.

[AirP.]

Lets be real, the Clippers are looking at us like a dumpster fire and they will whisper sweet nothings to Butler to make him request a trade. Kawhi knows what the Clippers did and didn't care because its LA. Pg-13 is actually showing up these playoffs avg like 24/9 on 50% shooting. Well he is showing up compared to last playoffs. Kawhi just dropped 40 points, he is playing with passion. They need to fix the roster but they have an owner who will pay to do it, will that happen, no idea. I would love to think that we have a chance but honestly odds are more likely Butler forces his way out.

Now if Butler does force his way out, the Warriors depending on how the draft turns out would be a team to look at. Then again maybe Butler finally flips a switch and goes crazy in a game 3 and drags us to a win. Who knows at this point.

PG and Kawhi signed 2+1s, PG extended after his first year, Kawhi did not. It's a risk for Kawhi with his history of injuries to not sign a long term contract at age 29, so he either did it to give him a chance to leave after this season or to have the power to push the Clippers to do his bidding to get him to extend. I believe Kawhi wants the best of both worlds, the money and to compete and to me would be Miami and New York. There really aren't that many teams he could go to. GS would be a thought, something like Wiggins, Wiseman + more for Kawhi, Miami could make enough space to straight up add him to Butler, Bam, Robinson and possibly Nunn in the east in the East, NY will have cap space but outside of that, I'm not too sure how many more teams could add Kawhi and still be a Championship contender, maybe Philly if they move Simmons for him but the thing is, Kawhi would have to want to sign and trade to go to these teams since he may be a FA.

I though the Clippers really screwed themselves for a long time by doing what they did to Blake. With both Kawhi and George entering their 30s, it's plausible to the Clippers to decide where either one of them end up playing till the end of their current(at the time) contracts. I wouldn't trust LA if I were Kawhi, if he can get a no trade clause he could feel somewhat better about signing long term with them.

I agree with basically everything you are saying. The problem is Kawhi doesn't have winning as his 1st priority, its all about what he wants. He wants to be in LA, live the LA lifestyle. For those reasons Miami and NY make no sense. NY the press will eat him alive, he doesnt want to deal with that. Here he would have to play back, to back game, be held accountable etc. Thats like Spurs 2.0,which he bailed on that. He's happy making the playoffs, not having to put effort during the season and just living his life while being the face of the franchise.

With that logic Butler doesn't have winning as his 1st priority.

I tend to believe players who give their all on the court tend to enjoy teammates who do the same which is why Miami and New York are a couple of the only teams who emphasize hard work as much as they do.

[NBADraft2003]

I agree with basically everything you are saying. The problem is Kawhi doesn't have winning as his 1st priority, its all about what he wants. He wants to be in LA, live the LA lifestyle. For those reasons Miami and NY make no sense. NY the press will eat him alive, he doesnt want to deal with that. Here he would have to play back, to back game, be held accountable etc. Thats like Spurs 2.0,which he bailed on that. He's happy making the playoffs, not having to put effort during the season and just living his life while being the face of the franchise.

This is not even true. You don’t think that dudes first priority was winning when recruited all these dudes to come join him in there? He’s been trying to get to LA before he got traded to Toronto. I don’t think he’s going anywhere regardless of the outcome of their postseason, there’s no sort of linkage other than a talking head stirring up stuff for a trash network. If he comes here, I’d be surprised. But if he doesn’t, nobody should be blaming anybody in the organization because it’s a loooonnngggg shot anyway so don’t get your hopes up. He also played in back to backs this season and the only reason he didn’t last year was because of injuries from the season prior. If not putting up effort is 25/7/5 on 51/40/89 then I’ll be damned because I wish Jimmy and Bam were that effortless, he’s been phenomenal this season and off to a great start in their series.

The Clips got embarrassed last year, and they got a new coach, of course they will play with more effort this year. They got clowned on all last offseason. We had the pandemic p memes. Kawhi wants to make the playoffs, in the West you need another star player. If Kawhi just wanted rings he would have teamed up with the Laker, he didnt.

The Clips get “memed” literally every year, the only difference is the roster. Hell, they were pretty good last year too. Dealing with Kawhi’s injuries, PG missing a month to start the season, chemistry, and Doc is a chit coach. Maybe not chit but he’s overrated as a coach. PG IS a star, he’s been better than Jimmy and Bam in these playoffs even though his 3 point shooting has hit Jimmy’s level of bad on more volume. You DON’T need to join up with LeBron and AD to win rings, every star that was on the market would’ve joined them two years ago if that was the case. Every player in the NBA wants to make the Playoffs, y’all think these dudes hoop to lose?