MIAMI HEAT Offseason Thread 2021

[twix2500]

Everyone emotions all over the place. One second you want to draft a player the next second you want 30 yr old Dame.

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[eddieheatfan]

:lol: some of you have no clue just how far from contention we truly are. I keep seeing all these role players being mentioned as if they would make us title bound. When u realize we need someone like Curry or Lillard to even get us close to sniffing a title, and we have no way of getting guys of that caliber, we just wasting time here, valuable tanking time. You don’t push all in when u have a second rate all star like Jimmy as your main guy, you don’t push all in when your second best player is on a max and doesn’t play anywhere near max level. This team needs a COMPLETE tear down top to bottom. Trade our valuable guys for picks and start the rebuild. Been trying Riley’s way since Lebron left and it hasn’t worked, hasn’t even come close to working (I don’t even count that bubble nonsense season). It’s time to hit up the lottery.

i do concur that its time to blow it up, last year success was an aberration because of the environment, players were motivated to play and the fear of covid played a role, i believe.


something went wrong this season.players regressed and played without interest. the results are all there to be seen.

coaching was culprit since spo failed to adapt and improvise.that olynyk dipo trade screw the heat for good but even then ollie was playing pretty bad. yeah something happened in that locker room...


a retool would be getting the team back in to the treadmill next year

[Dr_Heat]

:lol: some of you have no clue just how far from contention we truly are. I keep seeing all these role players being mentioned as if they would make us title bound. When u realize we need someone like Curry or Lillard to even get us close to sniffing a title, and we have no way of getting guys of that caliber, we just wasting time here, valuable tanking time. You don’t push all in when u have a second rate all star like Jimmy as your main guy, you don’t push all in when your second best player is on a max and doesn’t play anywhere near max level. This team needs a COMPLETE tear down top to bottom. Trade our valuable guys for picks and start the rebuild. Been trying Riley’s way since Lebron left and it hasn’t worked, hasn’t even come close to working (I don’t even count that bubble nonsense season). It’s time to hit up the lottery.

[MettaWorldPanda]

https://heatnation.com/rumors/report-kristaps-porzingis-asked-to-be-traded-to-miami-heat-last-season/

https://allucanheat.com/2021/02/24/miami-heat-rumors-kristaps-porzingis/

https://www.sun-sentinel.com/sports/miami-heat/sfl-miami-heat-nba-draft-s062115-story.html

Couple of past articles to digest in regards to Porzingis wanting to come here and our interest during draft.

C Kristaps Porzingis 7’3
PF Bam Adebayo 6’9
SF Jimmy Butler 6’7
SG Duncan Robinson 6’7
PG Kendrick Nunn 6’2

That’s not a bad starting 5 especially if we compliment it with a strong bench. McConnell would be a rock solid backup to Nunn.

[Dr_Heat]

Unless we get a Luka, Curry, Dillard or any other WHALE to Miami, we aren’t going anywhere with sardines.

[HeatIn5]

Kristaps would be a solid fit next to Bam, I’m sure of it. The question is whether he has it in him to be tough and fit into the culture.

[MettaWorldPanda]

Unless we get a Luka, Curry, Dillard or any other WHALE to Miami, we aren’t going anywhere with sardines.

Porzingis 20.1 8.9 reb, 20.4 9.5 reb, 22.7 6.6 reb last three years. He might not be the prototypical whale but he’s still a unicorn.

[MettaWorldPanda]

Kristaps would be a solid fit next to Bam, I’m sure of it. The question is whether he has it in him to be tough and fit into the culture.

He’s been begging for it. He’s asked to be traded here in the past. He compliments Bam and Jimmy as good as it gets. He’d be Meyers Leonard/Kelly O on steroids. Bam had always played well when he was next to one of those two.

[Kobewade11]

https://heatnation.com/rumors/report-kristaps-porzingis-asked-to-be-traded-to-miami-heat-last-season/

https://allucanheat.com/2021/02/24/miami-heat-rumors-kristaps-porzingis/

https://www.sun-sentinel.com/sports/miami-heat/sfl-miami-heat-nba-draft-s062115-story.html

Couple of past articles to digest in regards to Porzingis wanting to come here and our interest during draft.

C Kristaps Porzingis 7’3
PF Bam Adebayo 6’9
SF Jimmy Butler 6’7
SG Duncan Robinson 6’7
PG Kendrick Nunn 6’2

That’s not a bad starting 5 especially if we compliment it with a strong bench. McConnell would be a rock solid backup to Nunn.

He just wanted to come to Miami for the lifestyle, he’ll start b*tching and moaning in no time just like he did in NY and Dallas.

[AirP.]

https://heatnation.com/rumors/report-kristaps-porzingis-asked-to-be-traded-to-miami-heat-last-season/

https://allucanheat.com/2021/02/24/miami-heat-rumors-kristaps-porzingis/

https://www.sun-sentinel.com/sports/miami-heat/sfl-miami-heat-nba-draft-s062115-story.html

Couple of past articles to digest in regards to Porzingis wanting to come here and our interest during draft.

C Kristaps Porzingis 7’3
PF Bam Adebayo 6’9
SF Jimmy Butler 6’7
SG Duncan Robinson 6’7
PG Kendrick Nunn 6’2

That’s not a bad starting 5 especially if we compliment it with a strong bench. McConnell would be a rock solid backup to Nunn.

I think in Miami I think KP would work well paired up with Bam or Precious. He's tall enough to keep rebounds alive that normally big centers easily get vs Bam and on the offensive end at worse he could play the stretch big opposite of Bam/Precious which Spoelstra seems to wants on the court. KP is nearly a 40% 3pt shooting big who is tall enough to basically get his shot off even with the defender on him. By the way, he took .5 3s per game with tight defense on him(2-4 feet away) and hit over 40% of them.

It's a huge roll of the dice with that contract of his and his history of health but he wants to be a top option and Miami's 2 best players want to be facilitators so it's quite possible that Spoelstra could get more scoring out of KP then other coaches have been able to do.

Dallas has to move that salary, when you have Luka on your team, you can't be spending 30 million on a guy like KP and utilize him as a stretch 4/5. Miami doesn't have anyone like Luka so I would expect Spoelstra would utilize him as a scorer way more then Carlisle did.

*I would hope in a year or 2 in Miami's environment KP would become a much better player especially if utilized better by Spoelstra in the offense.

With all that said, because of his contract, Miami would need to strike out on a bunch of other targets first before I'd want Miami to try to go this route.

[MettaWorldPanda]

https://heatnation.com/rumors/report-kristaps-porzingis-asked-to-be-traded-to-miami-heat-last-season/

https://allucanheat.com/2021/02/24/miami-heat-rumors-kristaps-porzingis/

https://www.sun-sentinel.com/sports/miami-heat/sfl-miami-heat-nba-draft-s062115-story.html

Couple of past articles to digest in regards to Porzingis wanting to come here and our interest during draft.

C Kristaps Porzingis 7’3
PF Bam Adebayo 6’9
SF Jimmy Butler 6’7
SG Duncan Robinson 6’7
PG Kendrick Nunn 6’2

That’s not a bad starting 5 especially if we compliment it with a strong bench. McConnell would be a rock solid backup to Nunn.

He just wanted to come to Miami for the lifestyle, he’ll start b*tching and moaning in no time just like he did in NY and Dallas.

Butler will keep him in line and if anything you know they can always bring UD back to culture baby sit him.

[MettaWorldPanda]

https://heatnation.com/rumors/report-kristaps-porzingis-asked-to-be-traded-to-miami-heat-last-season/

https://allucanheat.com/2021/02/24/miami-heat-rumors-kristaps-porzingis/

https://www.sun-sentinel.com/sports/miami-heat/sfl-miami-heat-nba-draft-s062115-story.html

Couple of past articles to digest in regards to Porzingis wanting to come here and our interest during draft.

C Kristaps Porzingis 7’3
PF Bam Adebayo 6’9
SF Jimmy Butler 6’7
SG Duncan Robinson 6’7
PG Kendrick Nunn 6’2

That’s not a bad starting 5 especially if we compliment it with a strong bench. McConnell would be a rock solid backup to Nunn.

I think in Miami I think KP would work well paired up with Bam or Precious. He's tall enough to keep rebounds alive that normally big centers easily get vs Bam and on the offensive end at worse he could play the stretch big opposite of Bam/Precious which Spoelstra seems to wants on the court. KP is nearly a 40% 3pt shooting big who is tall enough to basically get his shot off even with the defender on him. By the way, he took .5 3s per game with tight defense on him(2-4 feet away) and hit over 40% of them.

It's a huge roll of the dice with that contract of his and his history of health but he wants to be a top option and Miami's 2 best players want to be facilitators so it's quite possible that Spoelstra could get more scoring out of KP then other coaches have been able to do.

Dallas has to move that salary, when you have Luka on your team, you can't be spending 30 million on a guy like KP and utilize him as a stretch 4/5. Miami doesn't have anyone like Luka so I would expect Spoelstra would utilize him as a scorer way more then Carlisle did.

*I would hope in a year or 2 in Miami's environment KP would become a much better player especially if utilized better by Spoelstra in the offense.

With all that said, because of his contract, Miami would need to strike out on a bunch of other targets first before I'd want Miami to try to go this route.

I’m not even sweating the contract tbh. He’s still young and talented enough that the deal can be moved if need be. The carrot for us is getting that 2023 first to give us pick flexibility. In return Dallas gets cap flexibility and alleviates the KP and Luka conundrum. Spo can definitely give KP the Bosh offensive package. He’ll have his best year with Butler and Bam always looking to facilitate.

[eddieheatfan]

https://www.msn.com/en-us/sports/nba/shane-battier-resigns-from-front-office-job-with-heat/ar-AALbN9L?ocid=msedgntp

[MettaWorldPanda]

https://www.msn.com/en-us/sports/nba/shane-battier-resigns-from-front-office-job-with-heat/ar-AALbN9L?ocid=msedgntp

He was in charge of analytics, drafting, and free agents. We clearly could stand for an upgrade in all three of those areas.

[MettaWorldPanda]

Somebody had to be held accountable for the whiff misses of Bradley and Harkless free agent signings last year, Achuiwa and KZ both projects, and sweep in first round.

[MettaWorldPanda]

Trading for Porzingis Age 25 or S&T or Cap sign Kyle Lowry 36

Doubtful to get both but if i really had to choose i’m taking the gamble on Porzingis and matching Nunn. Use mid level money to sign a strong bench PG.

[Wiltside]

Can’t believe I’m saying this, but Nic Batum would be a perfect signing IMO

[MettaWorldPanda]

Can’t believe I’m saying this, but Nic Batum would be a perfect signing IMO

So would Reggie Jackson. Forget Lowry

[MettaWorldPanda]

Patty Mills. Another solid vet PG signing.

[dean456]

That’s why I said if they want to. People tend to overrate market size a lot when it comes to players when really, chit management is the fall of these small markets. They already have a cog is SGA and if some stars want to go play with that dude, their front office has the assets to bring guys in. Precious is raw as hell, he showed flashes but he’s raw. His development is going to take time and a lot of it.

It certainly is throwing a pick away when they can get a guy in the g-league and just develop him for less money than what Precious made. Which goes to my previous point in Moses. And I’ll add to my point, why in the hell would OKC just do us a favor just to gain Precious from it? If they’re unlocking future picks for us, it’s going to take more than Precious alone to do so. OKC isn’t touching that.

There's a big gap between someone like Precious and the chance OKC are going to pick someone up through the G-League that will be productive. Precious he'll develop a lot faster in OKC than he would here. SGA is a good player but no one is lining up to be traded to play with him.

Who has requested a trade to OKC or stayed in OKC once they were traded there since they moved the team to OKC? Better yet at any point when a player of note requested to be traded did they even have a small market team in their list of preferences?

It’s really not, Precious would be a g-leaguer himself if that was available. And they just picked someone up a whole put up 9 & 9 straight out of the g-league. I’m talking about as SGA develops, he’s already really good and people were raving about him in his first season. And as the league shifts into the future young stars of the league, there will be players lining up to play with him.

And to name a few, Kyrie requested a trade to Minnesota and the Bucks were on AD’s list. Has nothing to do with markets. If teams are run the right way and they look like they can contend, players go to those teams. There’s a reason why the Knicks and the Lakers weren’t getting anybody, Bron basically saved that franchise from incompetence and Dolan stepping out of the way has done the Knicks wonders.

Kendrick Perkins, Victor Oladipo, and the biggest one was Paul George.

There may be players who would like to play with SGA but they don't want to do it in OKC. They can force someone to come there via trade but that guy isn't requesting to be sent there.

Kyrie named Minnesota who are a middle of the pack market along with San Antonio, Miami and the Knicks (all big market) and AD named the Bucks who are small along with the Lakers, Knicks and Clippers (all big market). But one factor in that scenario is the Bucks had the best team record and the MVP that season.

You say to name a few but I can't remember another time a good player has requested a small market.

Neither Oladipo or Paul George requested a trade to OKC, Oladipo spent one season there before being moved and PG13 forced a trade out of there after his 2nd year. Your really going to mention a career averaging 5.4ppg and 5.8rpg Kendrick Perkins as a notable player???

Moses Brown seems like a solid pickup but he is in his 2nd year and has played 1 and a half seasons in the G-League to develop and was regularly playing 25-30mpg in the last 35 games of the season with OKC.

Precious is a rookie who only played more than 25mins 4 times in the 61 games he played with us. In those 4 games he averaged 14.5ppg and 11.2rpg. If he's on OKC playing starting minutes he's averaging that for the season.