Miami Heat 2023/2024 Regular Season - Thread 3.0

[_GH0ST_]

Is John Wall still alive? At this point, it's not a bad idea to give a chance to a few PGs with 10-day contracts.

We got no money to sign nobody. Not even 10 day contracts. Need to get rid of Dru Smith's dead 1.8 million or take back less in trade. We are pressed against the super tax limit.

I guess we can give 2 way to a better PG instead of RJ Hampton

[MettaWorldPanda]

Rozier
JJJ
Jimmy
J.Grant
Bam


Let's get some scoring, athleticism.

Pushing Jerami Grant is pretty worthless since I doubt we do anything with Cronin. I think it's just common sense at this point. I think it's more likely we get Bojan Bogdonovic since he's expiring. Duncan to the Pistons for Bojan makes some sense for both sides.

I'm over that chit. It's time to get professional.

Jeremi Grant is overpaid but he's a great fit between Bam and Jimmy, he'll be the best PF we had since I can't remember when. He won't cost much, and Blazers would move him for a fair offer.

Rozier is exactly the same, a little overpaid but a good fit and he's a baller. Should get moved for a modest price too.

Invest the money in the players that matter. Enough with this 12 deep rotation where players 4 to 12 are basically on the same level.


Rozier
JJJ
Jimmy
J.Grant
Bam

That's 5 guys in their primes, all can score 20 at any given night, none are washed, none are one way player, they fit with their skill.

Spo's job is to maximize good talent and create a great team, build a bench.
ATM he's constantly trying to fix holes, juggle 1 way players, develop youth and maintain veterans simultaneously.

enough with that crap, build a normal team.

Focus on getting a killer starting five and build a bench with the skyforce guys, vet mins and reclamation projects.

Rozier makes a ton of sense. Even the fans on the Charlotte board are down with the Lowry and 1st rd pick proposition. It's a win win for both sides. Jerami Grant on the other hand and his contract and Klutch/Cronin makes absolutely no sense other then "Basketball fit" Grant has already said he's cool right where he's at making big money and hooping on his terms.

[MettaWorldPanda]

Is John Wall still alive? At this point, it's not a bad idea to give a chance to a few PGs with 10-day contracts.

We got no money to sign nobody. Not even 10 day contracts. Need to get rid of Dru Smith's dead 1.8 million or take back less in trade. We are pressed against the super tax limit.

I guess we can give 2 way to a better PG instead of RJ Hampton

Yup that's one option is to let RJ Hampton go. I haven't seen much out of him any way either so might as well cycle that spot

[3ammy3uck3ts]

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[RexBoyWonder]

Let me give you all another reminder of the snap shot of our current books. If your Micky right now paying close to 29 million in tax penalties for this team must not have him very happy right now.

2023-24 Luxury Tax Totals
Denotes the Heat current standing in terms of the luxury tax threshold. Teams that spend over the threshold pay fines (estimated below).
TYPE TOTALS
2023 NBA Luxury Tax Threshold $165,294,000
Total Taxable Salaries $180,265,160
Current Luxury Tax Space $-14,971,160
Est. Luxury Tax Bill $28,677,903

Second Apron
2023 NBA Second Apron $182,794,000
Second Apron Space $28,840

Rozier - 25
JJJ - 3
Jimmy - 48
Grant - 29
Bam - 35

Try to keep Jovic for the upside and cheap labor.
No one else should get real money. You don't pay injury prone inconsistent Martin, You don't pay 1 way HighSmith, You develop cehap labor with our great farm system, we already have real players we should sign to cheap 3-4 years contracts like Bouyea, Swider, Caim, O.Robinson.

The key is to get the best talent you can for the closing 5 in a playoff game. Top to bottom, that starting 5 is the best Spo had since the big 3 probably.

[AirP.]

Let me give you all another reminder of the snap shot of our current books. If your Micky right now paying close to 29 million in tax penalties for this team must not have him very happy right now.

2023-24 Luxury Tax Totals
Denotes the Heat current standing in terms of the luxury tax threshold. Teams that spend over the threshold pay fines (estimated below).
TYPE TOTALS
2023 NBA Luxury Tax Threshold $165,294,000
Total Taxable Salaries $180,265,160
Current Luxury Tax Space $-14,971,160
Est. Luxury Tax Bill $28,677,903


Second Apron
2023 NBA Second Apron $182,794,000
Second Apron Space $28,840

https://www.spotrac.com/nba/miami-heat/cap/

The tax bill overall hurts badly as an owner without an MVP level talent on the roster but you need to toss in that 10+ million dollar check he's also losing out on for not being under the tax, so not only is spending nearly 29 million for going over the tax, but it's also costing him probably another 10-14 million making it cost the ownership around ~40 million for this season. As an owner, you'd to be very upset how this season is going even though they've created some "credit" with all the playoff revenue for the last 4 seasons.

I do believe under the new CBA if you're over the tax at the beginning of the season you're in the tax (maybe just the new penalties, I'm not finding info on it at this time) and there's nothing you can do about it like in previous seasons, so I don't think selling off players will help with this season's tax.

[3ammy3uck3ts]

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[3ammy3uck3ts]

Yes we have far too many players playing out of position and out of the role they should be in.

Lowry
Herro
Duncan
Highsmith
Jovic
JRich
Caleb

None of these guys are in the right role as of last game lol

[MettaWorldPanda]

Let me give you all another reminder of the snap shot of our current books. If your Micky right now paying close to 29 million in tax penalties for this team must not have him very happy right now.

2023-24 Luxury Tax Totals
Denotes the Heat current standing in terms of the luxury tax threshold. Teams that spend over the threshold pay fines (estimated below).
TYPE TOTALS
2023 NBA Luxury Tax Threshold $165,294,000
Total Taxable Salaries $180,265,160
Current Luxury Tax Space $-14,971,160
Est. Luxury Tax Bill $28,677,903


Second Apron
2023 NBA Second Apron $182,794,000
Second Apron Space $28,840

https://www.spotrac.com/nba/miami-heat/cap/

The tax bill overall hurts badly as an owner without an MVP level talent on the roster but you need to toss in that 10+ million dollar check he's also losing out on for not being under the tax, so not only is spending nearly 29 million for going over the tax, but it's also costing him probably another 10-14 million making it cost the owner ~40 million for this season. As an owner, you'd to be very upset how this season is going even though they've created some "credit" with all the playoff revenue for the last 4 seasons.

From an accounting standpoint and the way this team notoriously likes to operate. These numbers are real messy. They will probably pay an extra asset in order to get the team taking on Lowry to take at least 5-6 million into there cap space in order to get this number to a more manageable figure. Then the team can convert some of there two ways somewhere towards the end of the season in order to get the lowest prorated amounts.

[RexBoyWonder]

Rozier/Bouyea
JJJ/Alondes Williams
Jimmy/Cain
Grant/Jovic
Bam/Love/Robinson

1. Let me remind ya'll most of you didn't believe Vincent, Strus or Duncan will have real roles on a finals team. They did. Those new bench guys can do the same. You sprinkle in a few minimum vets like K.Love, and you hope for health.

This current team is too deep and don't have enough top talent. What i'm doing here is fixing that problem - all resource go to your 5 starts to create a strong, in prime, athletic, 2 way lineup.

[MettaWorldPanda]

Let's say the Heat trades

Lowry
2028 1st
2026 2nd or a 2027 swap

to the Hornets for

Rozier
Bouknight

The Heat/Hornets would be looking for a 3rd team to take on Bouknight's salary. They'll probably have no problem finding a third team that has cap space to absorb Bouknight and see what he can do for the rest of the year. This move will save the Heat close to 6.4 million from this year's cap.

[3ammy3uck3ts]

Pat had no issue gutting the 2005 team that would’ve won the championship if Wade didn’t get injured in the ECF but now we can’t even get him to make 1-2 moves to improve the team when we’ve been on the cusp of winning a championship 3 out of the last 4 years, it’s pretty wild to think about.

The team flat out needs an infusion of talent. Have we won series where we weren’t the most talented team? Definitely. Have we ever won a championship where we didn’t have the most talented team? No.

Hard work, having a chip on your shoulder because you didn’t get drafted, and being a dog only gets you so far. We need talent. Get some talented hard working dogs like we have in Jimmy and Bam and let’s win this fuxking thing

[MettaWorldPanda]

Pat had no issue gutting the 2005 team that would’ve won the championship if Wade didn’t get injured in the ECF but now we can’t even get him to make 1-2 moves to improve the team when we’ve been on the cusp of winning a championship 3 out of the last 4 years, it’s pretty wild to think about.

The team flat out needs an infusion of talent. Have we won series where we weren’t the most talented team? Definitely. Have we ever won a championship where we didn’t have the most talented team? No.

Hard work, having a chip on your shoulder because you didn’t get drafted, and being a dog only gets you so far. We need talent. Get some talented hard working dogs like we have in Jimmy and Bam and let’s win this fuxking thing

Rozier is a dog with talent and would be an instant spark to this hapless team. Give Rozier the ball and get the phuck out the way and let everything else fall into the place. Rozier has shown he can be primetime scorer.

[AirP.]

Let me give you all another reminder of the snap shot of our current books. If your Micky right now paying close to 29 million in tax penalties for this team must not have him very happy right now.

2023-24 Luxury Tax Totals
Denotes the Heat current standing in terms of the luxury tax threshold. Teams that spend over the threshold pay fines (estimated below).
TYPE TOTALS
2023 NBA Luxury Tax Threshold $165,294,000
Total Taxable Salaries $180,265,160
Current Luxury Tax Space $-14,971,160
Est. Luxury Tax Bill $28,677,903


Second Apron
2023 NBA Second Apron $182,794,000
Second Apron Space $28,840

https://www.spotrac.com/nba/miami-heat/cap/

The tax bill overall hurts badly as an owner without an MVP level talent on the roster but you need to toss in that 10+ million dollar check he's also losing out on for not being under the tax, so not only is spending nearly 29 million for going over the tax, but it's also costing him probably another 10-14 million making it cost the owner ~40 million for this season. As an owner, you'd to be very upset how this season is going even though they've created some "credit" with all the playoff revenue for the last 4 seasons.

From an accounting standpoint and the way this team notoriously likes to operate. These numbers are real messy. They will probably pay an extra asset in order to get the team taking on Lowry to take at least 5-6 million into there cap space in order to get this number to a more manageable figure. Then the team can convert some of there two ways somewhere towards the end of the season in order to get the lowest prorated amounts.

Yeah, I don't blame ownership demanding to drop the roster salary, every dollar saved on the roster salary for the season is ~2 dollars saved at this point.

Since I've been keeping up with the Heat since 2019, I've seen the FO just pass on talents like CP3 and Beal only to chase players they weren't willing to offer what was needed in KD and Lillard (they could have sent a big offer Portland had to refuse) and limited their roster after making the finals to chase Giannis who seemed loyal to Milwaukee and would have to turn down a supermax to sign elsewhere.

It just seems that Spoelstra can enhance lesser players by playing towards their strengths and building an offense that they can excel at so to me it seems a no brainer to give Spoelstra 3 or even 4 if you can do it high-level consistent players (which having Jaquez Jr as possibly one of them on a rookie contract makes it very possible) and let him figure out how to utilize the rest of the roster with them.

Jaquez Jr outside of being a very good player is unique as he could be one of your top players (4th as of now if you can bring in another high-level player) of a championship team while on a rookie contract, that's a somewhat unique situation to be in roster wise and should be maximized before he gets to his 5th year and gets paid.

[3ammy3uck3ts]

Pat had no issue gutting the 2005 team that would’ve won the championship if Wade didn’t get injured in the ECF but now we can’t even get him to make 1-2 moves to improve the team when we’ve been on the cusp of winning a championship 3 out of the last 4 years, it’s pretty wild to think about.

The team flat out needs an infusion of talent. Have we won series where we weren’t the most talented team? Definitely. Have we ever won a championship where we didn’t have the most talented team? No.

Hard work, having a chip on your shoulder because you didn’t get drafted, and being a dog only gets you so far. We need talent. Get some talented hard working dogs like we have in Jimmy and Bam and let’s win this fuxking thing

Rozier is a dog with talent and would be an instant spark to this hapless team. Give Rozier the ball and get the phuck out the way and let everything else fall into the place. Rozier has shown he can be primetime scorer.

And we may as well be looking at PJW, Ish, and Bridges as well with Duncan’s salary although I’m fine with keeping Duncan but that’s a lot of talent and versatility coming in with Rozier which is exactly what we need.

We need scoring talent for sure but we can’t lose sight of defense either, we’ve had 2 great defenders (Bam and Highsmith) and 1 good defender (Martin) this season. PJW can provide both.

[RexBoyWonder]

Trade 1 :

Lowry + 1 FRP + 1 SRP + Dru Smith
For
Rozier + Ish Smith

trade 2 :

Heat Out : Herro
Heat in : Jermi Grant

Nets out : Royce O'Neale + Spencer Dinwiddie + 2 second round picks
Nets in : Herro

Blazers out : Jermi Grant
Blazers in : Royce O'Neale + Spencer Dinwiddie + 2 SRP

Who says no?

I think we could keep Duncan and Jovic, Or combine them both for another vet, but noit sure we should.

[MettaWorldPanda]

Pat had no issue gutting the 2005 team that would’ve won the championship if Wade didn’t get injured in the ECF but now we can’t even get him to make 1-2 moves to improve the team when we’ve been on the cusp of winning a championship 3 out of the last 4 years, it’s pretty wild to think about.

The team flat out needs an infusion of talent. Have we won series where we weren’t the most talented team? Definitely. Have we ever won a championship where we didn’t have the most talented team? No.

Hard work, having a chip on your shoulder because you didn’t get drafted, and being a dog only gets you so far. We need talent. Get some talented hard working dogs like we have in Jimmy and Bam and let’s win this fuxking thing

Rozier is a dog with talent and would be an instant spark to this hapless team. Give Rozier the ball and get the phuck out the way and let everything else fall into the place. Rozier has shown he can be primetime scorer.

And we may as well be looking at PJW, Ish, and Bridges as well with Duncan’s salary although I’m fine with keeping Duncan but that’s a lot of talent and versatility coming in with Rozier which is exactly what we need.

We need scoring talent for sure but we can’t lose sight of defense either, we’ve had 2 great defenders (Bam and Highsmith) and 1 good defender (Martin) this season. PJW can provide both.

Heat should be doing everything humanely possible to get both Rozier and PJW. Duncan has to be included to make it work

[Hoops3355]

Pat had no issue gutting the 2005 team that would’ve won the championship if Wade didn’t get injured in the ECF but now we can’t even get him to make 1-2 moves to improve the team when we’ve been on the cusp of winning a championship 3 out of the last 4 years, it’s pretty wild to think about.

The team flat out needs an infusion of talent. Have we won series where we weren’t the most talented team? Definitely. Have we ever won a championship where we didn’t have the most talented team? No.

Hard work, having a chip on your shoulder because you didn’t get drafted, and being a dog only gets you so far. We need talent. Get some talented hard working dogs like we have in Jimmy and Bam and let’s win this fuxking thing

That **** game is forever etched in my memory. So dumb.

[MettaWorldPanda]

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Ira thinks this could be the week

[AirP.]

Trade 1 :

Lowry + 1 FRP + 1 SRP + Dru Smith
For
Rozier + Ish Smith

trade 2 :

Heat Out : Herro
Heat in : Jermi Grant

Nets out : Royce O'Neale + Spencer Dinwiddie + 2 second round picks
Nets in : Herro

Blazers out : Jermi Grant
Blazers in : Royce O'Neale + Spencer Dinwiddie + 2 SRP

Who says no?

I think we could keep Duncan and Jovic, Or combine them both for another vet, but noit sure we should.

Wait, you think Portland resigned J.Grant over market value to get 2 SRPs? They can buy a 2nd round pick for 2-5 million each year, no need to give out a larger contract for that. I think Portland signed J.Grant for a shot at 1 if not 2 FRPs and possibly useful players (maybe to flip for more) from a contender trying to win it all.