Miami Heat Offseason Thread Vol. 4: Fraudfather Snoozin 2.0

[Grumpy Heat Fan]

We got Caleb off the street from J Cole and Haywood out of who knows where. Haywood went to Wheeling college. We can find these types again. Glad we didn’t over pay but came very close to making yet another long term mistake.

Yes, but Riley needs to learn to trade these guys before they hit free agency.

Work out the contracts as extensions in their final year. If no deal can be agreed upon and the finances don't make sense for us, then trade them before their final season is over and get something back.

Maybe the team is more loyal to the players than players are to the team, lol

Yup. Don't think that's a good thing. Players like Caleb and other developed guys, they owe us more than we owe them.

I think Caleb would have gotten us a 1st from someone.

[Lennyzinho]

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76ers: 32/4
Miami: 65/5

Too bad. So sad.

So dumb, lol

What's frustrating is, let's say agent was upset. Then can't get a better deal than this 4-32M. OK. Fine.
Pennsylvania has a 3% state tax. Philly has a city wage tax like 4% not sure around that. So that's like 7%. Miami no taxes... and he has a home here. And you'd hope or think he'd wanna be here.

So why not go back to Miami and be like. Listen. We **** up. Caleb will sign a minimum and then you extend him for 3-36. 3-40. 4-50. Whatever. Even minimum this year he'd still end up way ahead at the end of the 4 years. Pride? Stupidity? Didn't like it here maybe? Mad didn't get extended earlier? Smh. This was a lose lose for both the franchise and caleb.

[jaseda510]

So we need a perimeter defender off the bench. Someone rugged, if they can facilitate and throw lobs thats a plus. If only such a player was available



Bish, this is our moment

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[contract]

Caleb Martin and his agent really shot him in the foot. He got roughly what he's actually worth. Thankfully he didn't accept our insane offer.

Maybe this will correct the market for Highsmith. Or maybe we give him the money that Caleb turned down.

[Vertical Limit]

As for caleb.. loved what caleb brought to us and appreciate his time here.. i still am not comfortable with the money he rejected from us and im glad he rejected that offer.. the contract he got from philadelphia is definitely closer to his value and it goes to show you how far off we are from the rest of the league at valuation of players.. we almost paid him double.. just like we did duncan and herro and tyler johnson waiters james johnson.. we have got to get better at that departmwnt

[SoFlaKingReal]

The Heat’s offer was dependent on Caleb opting in to his final year at 7 million. It then would’ve been a 4 year, $58 million extension. Once Caleb didn’t opt in, there was no way to make the money work because his first year salary would’ve been too high.

[eddieheatfan]

his agent wasnt stupid. caleb just didnt want to play here anymore. not everything is about money.

[MettaWorldPanda]

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76ers: 32/4
Miami: 65/5

Too bad. So sad.

So dumb, lol

What's frustrating is, let's say agent was upset. Then can't get a better deal than this 4-32M. OK. Fine.
Pennsylvania has a 3% state tax. Philly has a city wage tax like 4% not sure around that. So that's like 7%. Miami no taxes... and he has a home here. And you'd hope or think he'd wanna be here.

So why not go back to Miami and be like. Listen. We **** up. Caleb will sign a minimum and then you extend him for 3-36. 3-40. 4-50. Whatever. Even minimum this year he'd still end up way ahead at the end of the 4 years. Pride? Stupidity? Didn't like it here maybe? Mad didn't get extended earlier? Smh. This was a lose lose for both the franchise and caleb.

Meh that’s tough if he gets hurt. The moment to cash in was during the moratorium where he could have opted in and extended. He would have had his low cap figure this year while extension kicked in next year. Agent read the market wrong

[Grumpy Heat Fan]

As for caleb.. loved what caleb brought to us and appreciate his time here.. i still am not comfortable with the money he rejected from us and im glad he rejected that offer.. the contract he got from philadelphia is definitely closer to his value and it goes to show you how far off we are from the rest of the league at valuation of players.. we almost paid him double.. just like we did duncan and herro and tyler johnson waiters james johnson.. we have got to get better at that departmwnt

This is a really good point. We should be glad he rejected our offer.

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76ers: 32/4
Miami: 65/5

Too bad. So sad.

So dumb, lol

What's frustrating is, let's say agent was upset. Then can't get a better deal than this 4-32M. OK. Fine.
Pennsylvania has a 3% state tax. Philly has a city wage tax like 4% not sure around that. So that's like 7%. Miami no taxes... and he has a home here. And you'd hope or think he'd wanna be here.

So why not go back to Miami and be like. Listen. We **** up. Caleb will sign a minimum and then you extend him for 3-36. 3-40. 4-50. Whatever. Even minimum this year he'd still end up way ahead at the end of the 4 years. Pride? Stupidity? Didn't like it here maybe? Mad didn't get extended earlier? Smh. This was a lose lose for both the franchise and caleb.

Who does Philly have under contract? It may be a playing time issue.

[eddieheatfan]

So dumb, lol

What's frustrating is, let's say agent was upset. Then can't get a better deal than this 4-32M. OK. Fine.
Pennsylvania has a 3% state tax. Philly has a city wage tax like 4% not sure around that. So that's like 7%. Miami no taxes... and he has a home here. And you'd hope or think he'd wanna be here.

So why not go back to Miami and be like. Listen. We **** up. Caleb will sign a minimum and then you extend him for 3-36. 3-40. 4-50. Whatever. Even minimum this year he'd still end up way ahead at the end of the 4 years. Pride? Stupidity? Didn't like it here maybe? Mad didn't get extended earlier? Smh. This was a lose lose for both the franchise and caleb.

Meh that’s tough if he gets hurt. The moment to cash in was during the moratorium where he could have opted in and extended. He would have had his low cap figure this year while extension kicked in next year. Agent read the market wrong

ppl dont realize if a player was happy here. sometimes inner peace is more valuable than money

[MettaWorldPanda]

As for caleb.. loved what caleb brought to us and appreciate his time here.. i still am not comfortable with the money he rejected from us and im glad he rejected that offer.. the contract he got from philadelphia is definitely closer to his value and it goes to show you how far off we are from the rest of the league at valuation of players.. we almost paid him double.. just like we did duncan and herro and tyler johnson waiters james johnson.. we have got to get better at that departmwnt

This is a really good point. We should be glad he rejected our offer.

I’m trilled tbh cause it would have been small ball PF nightmare for another 5 years.

[ZoStrong]

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76ers: 32/4
Miami: 65/5

Too bad. So sad.

So dumb, lol

What's frustrating is, let's say agent was upset. Then can't get a better deal than this 4-32M. OK. Fine.
Pennsylvania has a 3% state tax. Philly has a city wage tax like 4% not sure around that. So that's like 7%. Miami no taxes... and he has a home here. And you'd hope or think he'd wanna be here.

So why not go back to Miami and be like. Listen. We **** up. Caleb will sign a minimum and then you extend him for 3-36. 3-40. 4-50. Whatever. Even minimum this year he'd still end up way ahead at the end of the 4 years. Pride? Stupidity? Didn't like it here maybe? Mad didn't get extended earlier? Smh. This was a lose lose for both the franchise and caleb.

He opted out, so if he signed a min one year deal, we cannot offer an extension

[heater4life]

We got Caleb off the street from J Cole and Haywood out of who knows where. Haywood went to Wheeling college. We can find these types again. Glad we didn’t over pay but came very close to making yet another long term mistake.

Yes, but Riley needs to learn to trade these guys before they hit free agency.

It should go like this :

Player enters final year of contract --> Begin negotiations for extension --> If finances don't make sense for us, trade him immediately to get something for him. Preferably a 1st round pick if you can find one.

Never let them hit free agency

Sounds great on the books, but your making your team less competitive in order to maximize profits.

No to mention making FAs more hesitant sign with the team.

This teams allure to players is competition and the ability to get them paid. Works for star players, but you can’t build successful teams doing that to every single role player you develop.

[Grumpy Heat Fan]

What's frustrating is, let's say agent was upset. Then can't get a better deal than this 4-32M. OK. Fine.
Pennsylvania has a 3% state tax. Philly has a city wage tax like 4% not sure around that. So that's like 7%. Miami no taxes... and he has a home here. And you'd hope or think he'd wanna be here.

So why not go back to Miami and be like. Listen. We **** up. Caleb will sign a minimum and then you extend him for 3-36. 3-40. 4-50. Whatever. Even minimum this year he'd still end up way ahead at the end of the 4 years. Pride? Stupidity? Didn't like it here maybe? Mad didn't get extended earlier? Smh. This was a lose lose for both the franchise and caleb.

Maybe they tried to come back to our offer (makes sense), but Riley was put off by the behavior and negotiations

[Grumpy Heat Fan]

We got Caleb off the street from J Cole and Haywood out of who knows where. Haywood went to Wheeling college. We can find these types again. Glad we didn’t over pay but came very close to making yet another long term mistake.

Yes, but Riley needs to learn to trade these guys before they hit free agency.

It should go like this :

Player enters final year of contract --> Begin negotiations for extension --> If finances don't make sense for us, trade him immediately to get something for him. Preferably a 1st round pick if you can find one.

Never let them hit free agency

Sounds great on the books, but your making your team less competitive in order to maximize profits.

No to mention making FAs more hesitant sign with the team.

This teams allure to players is competition and the ability to get them paid. Works for star players, but you can’t build successful teams doing that to every single role player you develop.

These guys are undrafted guys who did not have a real career in the league before Miami. The allure is Miami gets you a career. Whether Miami pays you, or trades you and you keep doing your thing and get paid somewhere else. But you're not a nobody anymore.

That is enough.

Belichick did that in the NFL

[Kobewade11]

his agent wasnt stupid. caleb just didnt want to play here anymore. not everything is about money.

So why did the agent double back after the opt-in deadline to see if that deal was still available?

The report about many agents not understanding the new CBA and restriction certain teams would have appears to be true. He (the agent) thought there was going to be a 12+ offer out there somewhere

[ZoStrong]

As for caleb.. loved what caleb brought to us and appreciate his time here.. i still am not comfortable with the money he rejected from us and im glad he rejected that offer.. the contract he got from philadelphia is definitely closer to his value and it goes to show you how far off we are from the rest of the league at valuation of players.. we almost paid him double.. just like we did duncan and herro and tyler johnson waiters james johnson.. we have got to get better at that departmwnt

This is a really good point. We should be glad he rejected our offer.

I’m trilled tbh cause it would have been small ball PF nightmare for another 5 years.

Don't underestimate Spo's ability to find another short skinny starting PF

[MettaWorldPanda]

Get Bossman Crowder back on a minimum deal and get him back into rugged Heat shape. If we can have a 37 year old Tucker play MVP level defense we can revive Crowder at 32.

[Beenie]

Losing Martin, and getting nothing in return, and him going to your direct competition is the trifecta of smh

PJ Tucker left too philly and so did Lowry. It’s not really a big deal. I actually think he’ll fall in line and suck. He developed that hitch again and was a habitual line stepper.

PJ was old and had little value

Meanwhile, this time last year, people were arguing over whether or not Mia should include Martin in the Dame package.

Would have been gotten at a valued contract that could always be later moved in a trade package