2025 Offseason Season Thread Vol. 1

[EMC5466]

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[Hallstar]

Im going to say Herro peaked last season; on a season we force fed the offense through him, which got us below .500 and he got fraud checked and made into Ty Jeromes bitch in the playoffs. He does not have the athleticism, the measurables to do better than what he did last season.

You've said Herro peaked last year for years now lol.

He earned his money and you risk having to pay MORE. A top 15 scorer in the league isn't top 50 in salary

[Beenie]

Extending Herro is probably the easiest decision the front office has to make this off-season. As others have said, it’s like a 5% raise when you consider the cap. And quite frankly that sounds like a bargain when you consider he has been getting better every year. Unlike someone else who seems to have peaked a few years ago.

Playoff performance outweighs regular season performance, imo.

Herro was putrid, per usual.

That makes it simple then. If we go by recent playoff performance, the whole team and staff needs to go.

I'm on record (several times) saying that my preference is to "blow it up"

That said, I wasn't merely commenting on Herro's recent playoff performance. The "per usual" part of my post denotes Herro's propensity to perform poorly in the playoffs.

In reference to the specific topic on whether to extend him to a max contract, his propensity to preform poorly over several playoff appearances gives me cause to want to seek alternative options.

[3ammy3uck3ts]

Empty numbers on a 10th seed and bottom 9 offense while not playing good in the playoffs since his rookie season when he was a bench player and we’re talking about he’s earned 3/$150M because of this season alone lol.

[Kobewade11]

That makes it simple then. If we go by recent playoff performance, the whole team and staff needs to go.

Right. Like if Herro was putting up empty numbers then wtf was everybody else doing on this all team all year long?

[Shewasfly]

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With the way things played out in the playoffs, its seeming like we'll have more competition for KD than we thought. I expect Minny to go after KD to appease Ant, and I can see NY trying to add him to a core of Brunson and KAT as well.

If that ends up happening, we seriously do need to considering blowing it up. Trade Bam for picks and young assets. Try to trade Herro for assets as well, and if not successful, let him lead the few years of poverty/tank command needed to draft our next Wade. The time horizon lines up whether he builds on his regular season and enters his prime as an all star while our next Wade is coming into his own, or he stays exactly as is as a good but limited player.

[3ammy3uck3ts]

Small sample sizes really kick yalls asses Dion.

[Wiltside]

KD deal gives me Lowry vibes. Not that I think KD will be as bad as Kyle was for us, more that we tried to do a midseason deal, it didn’t happen, and then we did an offseason deal.

[3ammy3uck3ts]

Knicks radio pushing Spo to the Knicks lol

[Crazy-Canuck]

Last champion who had a player in their top 3 that was such a defensive liability that opposing teams would just spam actions to continuously get them on an island?

It's never happened. Herro would be the first.

Herro can absolutely help a team win the chip, he just can't do it as a 35min starter and a max contract player. He's a 6th man on a winner and a starter on a treadmill team.

His other path is to become more than just a scorer. That's his evolution. He needs to be the offensive engine and run the offense. 1 way scorers get paid, but always flounder in the playoffs. Always.

That said, Id still pay him. But pay him to flip him. You need that max contract slot to go big game hunting. And I'm absolutely not trading bam.

[carnageta]

Trading Herro only makes sense if it's for a bonafide star player (i.e. Donovan Mitchell). If you're not getting a star in return, you're better off keeping him on the roster.

If we're talking about flipping him for 'assets' - then might as well sell Bam also and do a complete reset. Doesn't make sense to trade Herro and keep Bam if the Herro trade isn't being flipped into getting a star player in return.


Even if you get a star player in return, the question begs - is Bam Adebayo good enough to be the 2nd best scorer on a championship-level team?

[marson]

This is clearly a business decision by the Arisons. Herro has become the face of the team, he draws crowds during the regular season and sells jerseys. While you could argue that Bam is the more complete player, Herro imo far more marketable. His playstyle is flashy, entertaining, and appeals more to younger fans.

A few years ago, Tyler ranked 7th in jersey sales across the league (Europe). Given how much his profile has grown since then, I wouldn’t be surprised if he currently leads the team in jersey sales.

This is still business at the end of the day.

https://www.si.com/nba/heat/miami-news/miami-heat-jimmy-butler-tyler-herro-europe-jersey-sales#:~:text=Smart%20Player:%20No-,Miami%20Heat's%20Jimmy%20Butler%20And%20Tyler%20Herro%20Rank%20In%20Top,LeBron%20James%20and%20Giannis%20Antetokounmpo

[carnageta]

Last team to win a championship that had a player in the top 3 that was such a defensive liability that opposing teams would consistently attack him:

- 2023 Denver Nuggets (Jamal Murray)
- 2022 Golden State Warriors (Stephen Curry)

Ignore the 'finals' - the Knicks made it the ECF this year with Jalen Brunson as their leading guy - who is worse defender than Herro. In 2021 the Atlanta Hawks made it to the ECF with Trae Young as their main piece.


Let's stop pretending like it has never been done before lol.

[carnageta]

I always say it, and I'll say it again - the reason why we look like crap is because of all of the deadweight on the roster. Duncan and Rozier are combining for 46m and they are not even playable. With 46m you can acquire a superstar player. Herro at 30m, for a guy that averaged 24ppg on 60%, would make for a tremendous 2nd option on a contender. Bam would fit nicely as the 3rd scorer and defensive leader.


Herro / Bam getting paid won't hinder the team. What WILL hinder us is how effective we are handing out contracts to others moving forward.

[Kobewade11]

This is clearly a business decision by the Arisons. Herro has become the face of the team, he draws crowds during the regular season and sells jerseys. While you could argue that Bam is the more complete player, Herro imo far more marketable. His playstyle is flashy, entertaining, and appeals more to younger fans.

A few years ago, Tyler ranked 7th in jersey sales across the league (Europe). Given how much his profile has grown since then, I wouldn’t be surprised if he currently leads the team in jersey sales.

This is still business at the end of the day.

https://www.si.com/nba/heat/miami-news/miami-heat-jimmy-butler-tyler-herro-europe-jersey-sales#:~:text=Smart%20Player:%20No-,Miami%20Heat's%20Jimmy%20Butler%20And%20Tyler%20Herro%20Rank%20In%20Top,LeBron%20James%20and%20Giannis%20Antetokounmpo

Nah man we about to be Marlins status lol I read it here

[3ammy3uck3ts]

Last team to win a championship that had a player in the top 3 that was such a defensive liability that opposing teams would consistently attack him:

- 2023 Denver Nuggets (Jamal Murray)
- 2022 Golden State Warriors (Stephen Curry)

Ignore the 'finals' - the Knicks made it the ECF this year with Jalen Brunson as their leading guy - who is worse defender than Herro. In 2021 the Atlanta Hawks made it to the ECF with Trae Young as their main piece.


Let's stop pretending like it has never been done before lol.

Stop it lol that’s flat out not true you just picked out 2 guys who aren’t known as great defenders but you’ve never seen either hunted at the level of Tyler.

[3ammy3uck3ts]

This is clearly a business decision by the Arisons. Herro has become the face of the team, he draws crowds during the regular season and sells jerseys. While you could argue that Bam is the more complete player, Herro imo far more marketable. His playstyle is flashy, entertaining, and appeals more to younger fans.

A few years ago, Tyler ranked 7th in jersey sales across the league (Europe). Given how much his profile has grown since then, I wouldn’t be surprised if he currently leads the team in jersey sales.

This is still business at the end of the day.

https://www.si.com/nba/heat/miami-news/miami-heat-jimmy-butler-tyler-herro-europe-jersey-sales#:~:text=Smart%20Player:%20No-,Miami%20Heat's%20Jimmy%20Butler%20And%20Tyler%20Herro%20Rank%20In%20Top,LeBron%20James%20and%20Giannis%20Antetokounmpo

For whatever reason Tyler is definitely the Heat fan favorite, doesn’t make much sense because he hasn’t done much of anything meaningful for the team but it is the case for sure

[3ammy3uck3ts]

Last champion who had a player in their top 3 that was such a defensive liability that opposing teams would just spam actions to continuously get them on an island?

It's never happened. Herro would be the first.

Herro can absolutely help a team win the chip, he just can't do it as a 35min starter and a max contract player. He's a 6th man on a winner and a starter on a treadmill team.

His other path is to become more than just a scorer. That's his evolution. He needs to be the offensive engine and run the offense. 1 way scorers get paid, but always flounder in the playoffs. Always.

That said, Id still pay him. But pay him to flip him. You need that max contract slot to go big game hunting. And I'm absolutely not trading bam.

Agreed outside of paying him, we or whatever team he’s with (probably us) can just pay him when he hits the open market and the market sets itself for him. It’ll be less than $50M a year

[3ballbomber]

Last team to win a championship that had a player in the top 3 that was such a defensive liability that opposing teams would consistently attack him:

- 2023 Denver Nuggets (Jamal Murray)
- 2022 Golden State Warriors (Stephen Curry)

Ignore the 'finals' - the Knicks made it the ECF this year with Jalen Brunson as their leading guy - who is worse defender than Herro. In 2021 the Atlanta Hawks made it to the ECF with Trae Young as their main piece.


Let's stop pretending like it has never been done before lol.

Look at the pattern…It’s the same poster spewing the same bs to prove another player is more superior. Why does this board tolerate incessant, tiring bullsh*t daily. I mean seriously WTF! It’s no diff to the stench Beasley tards & Lebron fake fans that made the board intolerable.

And oh yeah….watch Herro take another leap nxt season. The guy is a worker & proves it every season. This PO narrative everybody jumping on will be squashed once we acquire another capable scorer & round out this team that will help open up players like Herro & preserve more energy on the defensive end. We’re going to pay Herro because he deserves it. He’s stayed loyal throughout the trade rumours, put his head down continued to work. Made himself available to suit up most of last season & worked to be an all-star & 3pt champ.

[3ammy3uck3ts]

When did I mention Bam? And no I’m not dogging Tyler to favor Bam, anyone with a fuxkin brain knows the truth there it doesn’t need to be explained. I’m dogging him because he plays 0 defense and he disappears offensively every single season in the playoffs. Every year, rinse and repeat. This is an offense only player who averages 14-4-3 on 52TS% in the playoffs and now wants $50M a year, my bad for having some common sense.

Also lmao at trying to frame it as in the only one pushing back on his extension, I do own A LOT of real estate in real life but I didn’t know I owned so much in some of yalls heads on the forum