Miami Heat 2023/2024 Regular Season - Thread 3.0

[greg4012]

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This is our backup PG lol

The crazy thing is all of his numbers are eerily similar to Gabe Vincent's last season.

[greg4012]

Yes we have far too many players playing out of position and out of the role they should be in.

Lowry
Herro
Duncan
Highsmith
Jovic
JRich
Caleb

None of these guys are in the right role as of last game lol

Facts. And even our stars are pressed to overcompensate for the lack of a lead guard.

Get a facilitating scoring guard and suddenly Bam can be the beneficiary of more created looks in the pick and roll (and a lot less double teams), we can avoid scoring droughts when Jimmy's not on, Herro can focus on running around getting open looks as an off-ball shooter (and still be a secondary playmaker), guys like JRich and Caleb can focus exclusively on 3 and D.

The lack of skill from the guard rotation is placing a drag on every player in the lineup.

[MettaWorldPanda]

Yes we have far too many players playing out of position and out of the role they should be in.

Lowry
Herro
Duncan
Highsmith
Jovic
JRich
Caleb

None of these guys are in the right role as of last game lol

Facts. And even our stars are pressed to overcompensate for the lack of a lead guard.

Get a facilitating scoring guard and suddenly Bam can be the beneficiary of more created looks in the pick and roll (and a lot less double teams), we can avoid scoring droughts when Jimmy's not on, Herro can focus on running around getting open looks as an off-ball shooter (and still be a secondary playmaker), guys like JRich and Caleb can focus exclusively on 3 and D.

The lack of skill from the guard rotation is placing a drag on every player in the lineup.

Lack of a true 4 also puts a drag on Bam as well.

[MettaWorldPanda]

Thomas Bryant also needs to go as well. Once we started playing Love the majority of his minutes now at the 5 we essentially have two more wasted roster spots having Bryant and Orlando Robinson. Robinson has shown he's a great development 5 and can step in when needed. We don't need Bryant and his 2.5 player option eating the cap next year.

[AirP.]

Thomas Bryant also needs to go as well. Once we started playing Love the majority of his minutes now at the 5 we essentially have two more wasted roster spots having Bryant and Orlando Robinson. Robinson has shown he's a great development 5 and can step in when needed. We don't need Bryant and his 2.5 player option eating the cap next year.

Maybe, but since he's signed for 2 years, it's possible he's working on what Spoelstra needs from him and could be useful at some point in the next 1 1/2 years of his contract for the vet minimum. It is nice to have one big who is different than the rest to throw a different wrinkle at specific teams.

Also, he's not just filler, he's somewhat of a negative asset with money on his contract next year if he's not the type of big the team acquiring him wants for the minimum.

[RexBoyWonder]

Trade 1 :

Lowry + 1 FRP + 1 SRP + Dru Smith
For
Rozier + Ish Smith

trade 2 :

Heat Out : Herro
Heat in : Jermi Grant

Nets out : Royce O'Neale + Spencer Dinwiddie + 2 second round picks
Nets in : Herro

Blazers out : Jermi Grant
Blazers in : Royce O'Neale + Spencer Dinwiddie + 2 SRP

Who says no?

I think we could keep Duncan and Jovic, Or combine them both for another vet, but noit sure we should.

Wait, you think Portland resigned J.Grant over market value to get 2 SRPs? They can buy a 2nd round pick for 2-5 million each year, no need to give out a larger contract for that. I think Portland signed J.Grant for a shot at 1 if not 2 FRPs and possibly useful players (maybe to flip for more) from a contender trying to win it all.

I think Blazers could flip Royce O'Neale + Spencer Dinwiddie for more assets. If not, maybe Nets give up a FRP instead of 2 SRP.

The gap in value seem insignificant. But these 2 moves create a much better team.

[MettaWorldPanda]

When I keep on looking at scenarios that work within the cap structure and would be a swing for the fence gamble. Miles Bridges and his 7.9 million expiring attached with Rozier is a really interesting proposition. Heat have the locker room to be able to fix someone like Bridges. Bridges would have a great chance to earn himself a lot of money if he's put in a position to perform in the playoffs. The only thing we risk is not having the money to resign him this offseason but he would be a worthy rental who would be playing all out here. Also have to account for the Klutch ties as well so not sure. Obviously PJW is the much much better fit culturally here but his contract is going to make it tough on us to get something done without finding a 3rd team for Duncan.

[Hoops3355]

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Ira thinks this could be the week

If it's this week it's probably Rozier imo. We gotta go before the Murray trade. Just feels like the FO would rather trade picks.

[MettaWorldPanda]

Heat president Pat Riley is widely considered one of the NBA’s best closers, an executive who can wine and dine some of the league’s best players and get them to sign on the dotted line. But the one deal he didn’t close apparently continues to haunt him.

It’s been close to three years since LeBron James left the Heat to return to the Cavaliers, and Riley continues to reveal specifics on how it all went down.

In a lengthy, illuminating ESPN feature, Riley explained how the Heat tried to woo James back to the franchise he led to four consecutive Finals appearances and two titles. The 72-year-old also admitted that James’ answer nearly led him to say something as harsh as what Cavaliers owner Dan Gilbert famously wrote when James left for Miami several years earlier.

Riley said he and Heat executive Andy Elisburg traveled to meet with James and his associates three summers ago, taking the two trophies James had won with the franchise in addition to some charts and an easel for a presentation about the free agents Miami was targeting.

Riley said he brought wine from a Napa vineyard — the same wine James’ business manager, Maverick Carter, had given Riley when the two sides agreed on a deal four years earlier. But when Riley entered the suite and saw James, his agent Rich Paul and friend Randy Mims but no Carter, whom he respects, Riley said he didn’t believe the meeting was sincere.


James poses with Riley after winning the NBA MVP award with the Heat in 2013.
AP
Riley told Elisburg not to bring the trophies and presentation materials into the suite. Riley said James and his associates seemed distracted during his pitch, splitting their attention between the Heat executive and a World Cup match, so much so that Riley asked them to mute the TV.

Riley flew back after the meeting, expecting the worst. He said he got a text that he would be receiving a call soon. When Riley’s phone rang soon after, Paul greeted him before handing the phone to James, who delivered the decision.

“I was silent,” Riley said. “I didn’t say anything. My mind began to just go. And it was over. I was very angry when LeBron left. It was personal for me. It just was. I had a very good friend who talked me off the ledge and kept me from going out there and saying something like Dan Gilbert. I’m glad I didn’t do it.”

Gilbert’s infamous letter came moments after James opted to leave Cleveland for Miami in 2010, in which the owner told Cavaliers fans they didn’t “deserve this kind of cowardly betrayal.” It was a letter many thought was the end of any potential reunion between James and the Cavaliers in the future.

Now, James is hoping to bring his home state a second consecutive championship after sweeping the Pacers in the first round of the playoffs.





As you can read in this excerpt. Riley and Maverick Carter actually get along. The problem stems from the way Rich Paul handled everything. Riley said it was personal for him and probably still doesn't trust Paul till this day. How can you blame him?

[RexBoyWonder]

When I keep on looking at scenarios that work within the cap structure and would be a swing for the fence gamble. Miles Bridges and his 7.9 million expiring attached with Rozier is a really interesting proposition. Heat have the locker room to be able to fix someone like Bridges. Bridges would have a great chance to earn himself a lot of money if he's put in a position to perform in the playoffs. The only thing we risk is not having the money to resign him this offseason but he would be a worthy rental who would be playing all out here. Also have to account for the Klutch ties as well so not sure. Obviously PJW is the much much better fit culturally here but his contract is going to make it tough on us to get something done without finding a 3rd team for Duncan.

I'm not sure what you see in PJW TBH.

His stats are very meh, he regressed as a 3 point shooter for the second year in a row (31%! this year), he never gets to the line and to me he always looked soft for a big.

He's just...not very good

[MettaWorldPanda]

When I keep on looking at scenarios that work within the cap structure and would be a swing for the fence gamble. Miles Bridges and his 7.9 million expiring attached with Rozier is a really interesting proposition. Heat have the locker room to be able to fix someone like Bridges. Bridges would have a great chance to earn himself a lot of money if he's put in a position to perform in the playoffs. The only thing we risk is not having the money to resign him this offseason but he would be a worthy rental who would be playing all out here. Also have to account for the Klutch ties as well so not sure. Obviously PJW is the much much better fit culturally here but his contract is going to make it tough on us to get something done without finding a 3rd team for Duncan.

I'm not sure what you see in PJW TBH.

His stats are very meh, he regressed as a 3 point shooter for the second year in a row (31%! this year), he never gets to the line and to me he always looked soft for a big.

He's just...not very good

Much like Grant I don't think we are getting PJW either. Just feel like he would be better utilized here and be a nice fit along side Bam. Some players just need a change of scenery and I think PJW is one of them who would thrive down here sans what you see from his current numbers.

[3ammy3uck3ts]

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Ira thinks this could be the week

PLEASE GOD

[3ammy3uck3ts]

Yes we have far too many players playing out of position and out of the role they should be in.

Lowry
Herro
Duncan
Highsmith
Jovic
JRich
Caleb

None of these guys are in the right role as of last game lol

Facts. And even our stars are pressed to overcompensate for the lack of a lead guard.

Get a facilitating scoring guard and suddenly Bam can be the beneficiary of more created looks in the pick and roll (and a lot less double teams), we can avoid scoring droughts when Jimmy's not on, Herro can focus on running around getting open looks as an off-ball shooter (and still be a secondary playmaker), guys like JRich and Caleb can focus exclusively on 3 and D.

The lack of skill from the guard rotation is placing a drag on every player in the lineup.

And this has been an issue for the last 2 seasons at minimum. It’s glaring and it needs to be corrected.

Like Caleb and Jrich specialize as 3 and D slashing guys off the ball, why the hell are they our starting and backup PGs?! It’s hard to even get a gauge on some of these guys, especially the cheap labor guys to see if they could really contribute to a championship.

[3ammy3uck3ts]

Thomas Bryant also needs to go as well. Once we started playing Love the majority of his minutes now at the 5 we essentially have two more wasted roster spots having Bryant and Orlando Robinson. Robinson has shown he's a great development 5 and can step in when needed. We don't need Bryant and his 2.5 player option eating the cap next year.

What a complete 180, this dude looked straight up amazing in the preseason. We were all going crazy thinking we finally found a good back up big. Idk what the hell happened

[MettaWorldPanda]

Yes we have far too many players playing out of position and out of the role they should be in.

Lowry
Herro
Duncan
Highsmith
Jovic
JRich
Caleb

None of these guys are in the right role as of last game lol

Facts. And even our stars are pressed to overcompensate for the lack of a lead guard.

Get a facilitating scoring guard and suddenly Bam can be the beneficiary of more created looks in the pick and roll (and a lot less double teams), we can avoid scoring droughts when Jimmy's not on, Herro can focus on running around getting open looks as an off-ball shooter (and still be a secondary playmaker), guys like JRich and Caleb can focus exclusively on 3 and D.

The lack of skill from the guard rotation is placing a drag on every player in the lineup.

And this has been an issue for the last 2 seasons at minimum. It’s glaring and it needs to be corrected.

Like Caleb and Jrich specialize as 3 and D slashing guys off the ball, why the hell are they our starting and backup PGs?! It’s hard to even get a gauge on some of these guys, especially the cheap labor guys to see if they could really contribute to a championship.

Bammy what's your thoughts on Miles Bridges? I remember having this conversation with Beenie not so long ago and he was a big proponent of bringing him in. Thought the likely hood was slim because of his past and Klutch ties but if the organization is looking for a cheap homerun play and looking to add dynamic scorer and bully at the 4 then Bridges would have to be high up there. If the Heat trust it's locker room and culture then you would think he's worth the risk. If it don't work out you just let him walk or work out a S&T in offseason. But to add two more 20 point scorers to your lineup in Rozier and Bridges would be pretty sweet. I'm looking deep into this because of Bridges easy contract to bring back in trade with Rozier without having to get overly complicated with Robinson's deal.

[Hoops3355]

I don't see Miles Bridges in a Heat uni. I'd be surprised if Micky and his Wife would be down with it I can't think of an instance where we've added someone like that.

[MettaWorldPanda]

I don't see Miles Bridges in a Heat uni. I'd be surprised if Micky and his Wife would be down with it I can't think of an instance where we've added someone like that.

https://www.espn.com/nba/story/_/id/11047582/james-johnson-memphis-grizzlies-arrested-accused-hitting-choking-wife

https://www.nbcsportschicago.com/news/illini-guard-kendrick-nunn-arrested-charged-with-domestic-battery/269022/#:~:text=But%20the%20alleged%20victim%20later,your%20beloved%20Chicago%20sports%20teams!

[AirP.]

Spoiler:

Trade 1 :

Lowry + 1 FRP + 1 SRP + Dru Smith
For
Rozier + Ish Smith

trade 2 :

Heat Out : Herro
Heat in : Jermi Grant

Nets out : Royce O'Neale + Spencer Dinwiddie + 2 second round picks
Nets in : Herro

Blazers out : Jermi Grant
Blazers in : Royce O'Neale + Spencer Dinwiddie + 2 SRP

Who says no?

I think we could keep Duncan and Jovic, Or combine them both for another vet, but noit sure we should.

Wait, you think Portland resigned J.Grant over market value to get 2 SRPs? They can buy a 2nd round pick for 2-5 million each year, no need to give out a larger contract for that. I think Portland signed J.Grant for a shot at 1 if not 2 FRPs and possibly useful players (maybe to flip for more) from a contender trying to win it all.

I think Blazers could flip Royce O'Neale + Spencer Dinwiddie for more assets. If not, maybe Nets give up a FRP instead of 2 SRP.

The gap in value seem insignificant. But these 2 moves create a much better team.

Seems insignificant? I would expect a team that knew they were blowing it up wouldn't overpay a 29 year old player who was going to get a substantial contract to just grab a few small assets, seems like a huge waste of money.

If this were your team going through what Portland is going through, you'd be pissed if you overpaid a good while rebuilding to only get a few small assets. He's a good PF who can defend multiple positions who's averaging 21.7 pts on .574 TS% which includes hitting 40% of his 3s on 5+ 3s a game this year and last year, this is a type of guy who would make a world of difference on a number of teams including Miami. If you can turn a few average or lower players into this guy, he'd make your team much better and that's worth more than just a 1st. The only downside is a 5 year contract with the last year being a player option, he may be really good that whole time so it might be worth the risk.

[Hoops3355]

I don't see Miles Bridges in a Heat uni. I'd be surprised if Micky and his Wife would be down with it I can't think of an instance where we've added someone like that.

https://www.espn.com/nba/story/_/id/11047582/james-johnson-memphis-grizzlies-arrested-accused-hitting-choking-wife

https://www.nbcsportschicago.com/news/illini-guard-kendrick-nunn-arrested-charged-with-domestic-battery/269022/#:~:text=But%20the%20alleged%20victim%20later,your%20beloved%20Chicago%20sports%20teams!

Didn't the Nunn one have more contex? I didn't know that about fake MMA dude.

[MettaWorldPanda]

I don't see Miles Bridges in a Heat uni. I'd be surprised if Micky and his Wife would be down with it I can't think of an instance where we've added someone like that.

https://www.espn.com/nba/story/_/id/11047582/james-johnson-memphis-grizzlies-arrested-accused-hitting-choking-wife

https://www.nbcsportschicago.com/news/illini-guard-kendrick-nunn-arrested-charged-with-domestic-battery/269022/#:~:text=But%20the%20alleged%20victim%20later,your%20beloved%20Chicago%20sports%20teams!

Didn't the Nunn one have more contex? I didn't know that about fake MMA dude.

The article explains the context. Also mentioned he had prior arrest before that. He was a troubled kid in college we took a gamble on and worked during his time here. Bridges is a supreme high reward low risk gamble because he's an expiring contract but a player highly motivated to prove his worth. He can really showcase himself him and prove to be a winning player earning himself a really nice contract if he's on his best behavior here and ends up winning a chip.