Miami Heat Offseason Thread vol. 2 : We Running it Back.. (WITH MITCHELL!)

[NightWatch]

The only reason I am against getting Trae is because I do not feel Spo system is fit for a player like Trae. Point forwards has always been a thing for the Heat and for Spo system to work.

While I agree with this, Miami's offensive has been amongst the worst in the NBA statistically. Is that really worth saving? My question would be if Young would be capable of playing off the ball effectively. Otherwise, Miami would in theory move to an offense featuring a more ball-dominant player.

The next issue, assuming Rozier is still on the team, is a Young/Rozier backcourt. Even if Rozier comes off the bench, this seems like an unplayable pair. Herro doesn't pose a height issue, but a Herro/Young pairing seems equally as bad.

The one thing for sure is adding Young would not be enough and Miami would need other moves to get its roster up to speed.

That last paragraph, get to work Patrick time to do your job and actually put a competent roster around Jimmy Bam and Spo.

As for the offense, the ball better be in Traes hand majority of the time. He can play off ball too but you’re bringing him in here to vastly improve the offense and make Bams life easier

But what about jovic playing point forward if you have Trae having the ball majority of the times? Trae makes me think of Denver how they would abused Heats’ guards and I think Celtics did the same thing on Heats guards by switch big on small. Trae would be the perfect candidate for teams to pick on which once again collapsed the offense because Trae is tired and abused and we heavily rely on him to be our problem solver on offense.

[NightWatch]

They can have either tbh.

I would say Jacquez is a keeper. He's big, versatile, and can defend. Only apparent weaknesses are inexperience and inconsistency in his jumpshot

For a player of Traes caliber they can have their pick of either young guy lol neither will ever be as good as he currently is

How do you know? Can you predict the future? Nobody thought there would be a playoff Jimmy bulter.

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I mentioned Westbrook earlier but nobody here seems interested in Westbrook as they feels he doesn’t help the Heat offense foes.

[Wiltside]

Westbrook is not a good fit at all. Pass.

[Daffy]

Getting Westbrook 7 years too late.

[RexBoyWonder]

If you're targeting Trey Young - you've got to change and build the entire roster around him.


Trey's game is such that it requires special emphasis both on offense and defense because he has extreme strength and extreme weaknesses :


* On offense you need a big high jumping C whos a constant lob threat, somebody bigger then Bam ideally. You also need a lot of shooters all around, and you can't have any other ball dominant players because Trey is extremely ball dominant.

* On defense you need a great rim proctor behind him, and general size all across the lineup, and a great defender at SG to offset Trey weak defense on guards. We can't keep playing alot of switching defense because he'll get hunted to death.

So basically OMO adding Trey requires moving bam to PF and adding a bigger Center, Herro has to go, Jimmy and Jamie aren't great fits with him, we need a better defender then Duncan at SG, Rozier also doesn't fit.

Trading for Trey will basically be a complete overhaul of the roster and our offensive AND defensive philosophy. It will be a completely different team.

[Pokuokic]

Westbrook is the ultimate Spo dream at PF a good rebounding PG I don't see how he does not sign for the Heat

[SA37]

I hate Trae but it is extremely intriguing what a guy like him could do with Bam Adebayo and lob city. I also wonder if Trae + Herro could be a poor man's Splash Brothers. I always thought the gravity that Steph and Klay gave each other helped each of them become elite shooters. Obviously there is the defensive side to worry about though.

Curry and Thompson move much better off the ball than anything I've seen from Herro or Young, and then you have the defensive issues to throw in, as you noted. If anything, Herro and Young would really be like a poor man's Dame and McCollum duo.

Atlanta has already tried this to some degree, but essentially I see Young being a poor man's Iverson. Their games are very different, but the type of team you need to build around Young is likely going to have to be the type of team that was built around Iverson. But what franchise would go all-in on Young like Philly did with AI?

Now, if Miami could pry Caruso from Chicago and trade for Grant Williams:

G Young / Richardson / Wright
G Caruso /Highsmith / Wright
F Butler / JJJ
F Williams / Jovic / Love
C Bam / Bryant

[IceColdCubano]

Getting Westbrook 7 years too late.

That's the Miami Heat way, we get them once their physical prime has expired, and the milage has a dash with an Engine light blinking non stop.

[dolphinatik]

I actually like this version of Russ, if its for the min id be interested. He would help our pace issue and drawing fouls issue, there are other ppl that can shoot

[Kobewade11]

I actually like this version of Russ, if its for the min id be interested. He would help our pace issue and drawing fouls issue, there are other ppl that can shoot

I haven't been a big fan of his historically and not sure I'm interested in him now but what I will say is the 7 game losing streak that locked us into the play-in and ultimately damned our season probably doesn't happen with a Westbrook like motor in the mix, unlike some ppl he's not too cool to play like he wants to win a regular season game.

[Ball4life32]

I hate Trae but it is extremely intriguing what a guy like him could do with Bam Adebayo and lob city. I also wonder if Trae + Herro could be a poor man's Splash Brothers. I always thought the gravity that Steph and Klay gave each other helped each of them become elite shooters. Obviously there is the defensive side to worry about though.

Curry and Thompson move much better off the ball than anything I've seen from Herro or Young, and then you have the defensive issues to throw in, as you noted. If anything, Herro and Young would really be like a poor man's Dame and McCollum duo.

Atlanta has already tried this to some degree, but essentially I see Young being a poor man's Iverson. Their games are very different, but the type of team you need to build around Young is likely going to have to be the type of team that was built around Iverson. But what franchise would go all-in on Young like Philly did with AI?

Now, if Miami could pry Caruso from Chicago and trade for Grant Williams:

G Young / Richardson / Wright
G Caruso /Highsmith / Wright
F Butler / JJJ
F Williams / Jovic / Love
C Bam / Bryant

Young is far better playmaker than all those guys, that’s why hawks consistently have a top 10 offense.

[3ammy3uck3ts]

While I agree with this, Miami's offensive has been amongst the worst in the NBA statistically. Is that really worth saving? My question would be if Young would be capable of playing off the ball effectively. Otherwise, Miami would in theory move to an offense featuring a more ball-dominant player.

The next issue, assuming Rozier is still on the team, is a Young/Rozier backcourt. Even if Rozier comes off the bench, this seems like an unplayable pair. Herro doesn't pose a height issue, but a Herro/Young pairing seems equally as bad.

The one thing for sure is adding Young would not be enough and Miami would need other moves to get its roster up to speed.

That last paragraph, get to work Patrick time to do your job and actually put a competent roster around Jimmy Bam and Spo.

As for the offense, the ball better be in Traes hand majority of the time. He can play off ball too but you’re bringing him in here to vastly improve the offense and make Bams life easier

But what about jovic playing point forward if you have Trae having the ball majority of the times? Trae makes me think of Denver how they would abused Heats’ guards and I think Celtics did the same thing on Heats guards by switch big on small. Trae would be the perfect candidate for teams to pick on which once again collapsed the offense because Trae is tired and abused and we heavily rely on him to be our problem solver on offense.

Yall gotta chill on Jovic holy ****

[Beenie]

If you're targeting Trey Young - you've got to change and build the entire roster around him.


Trey's game is such that it requires special emphasis both on offense and defense because he has extreme strength and extreme weaknesses :


* On offense you need a big high jumping C whos a constant lob threat, somebody bigger then Bam ideally. You also need a lot of shooters all around, and you can't have any other ball dominant players because Trey is extremely ball dominant.

* On defense you need a great rim proctor behind him, and general size all across the lineup, and a great defender at SG to offset Trey weak defense on guards. We can't keep playing alot of switching defense because he'll get hunted to death.

So basically OMO adding Trey requires moving bam to PF and adding a bigger Center, Herro has to go, Jimmy and Jamie aren't great fits with him, we need a better defender then Duncan at SG, Rozier also doesn't fit.

Trading for Trey will basically be a complete overhaul of the roster and our offensive AND defensive philosophy. It will be a completely different team.

Bam and Jimmy fit pretty Snuggly next to Trae imo

So do Jaquez and Jovic if one or both are kept out of the deal

As would Highsmith and Martin if one or both are somehow retained

Mia always seems to find 3/D guys to plug in

[AirP.]

I am concerned about Trae's defense like others on this board, but similar concerns apply to Herro's defense because of his lack of effort on that end. The difference for me between the 2 are in their career statistics, with Trae having a +9 advantage over Herro in ORTG (115 to 106) and a +.024 lead in TS% (.581 to .557).

With that said, Trae isn't being traded to someone in their own division and I'm sure Atlanta will try to make sure he goes to the Western conference, can you imagine the level fan hated of the FO if Trae were to trip up the Hawks in the playoffs, that FO wouldn't survive something like that.

I think Trae ends up in San Antonio because I believe Trae and Wemby would unlock each other's potential because on the offensive end you need to have the defense hyper focused on each one of them or you're in trouble and that won't be possible with 2 guys like that. I think Herro would also thrive in San Antonio, but they already have Devin Vassell.

[IceColdCubano]

I actually like this version of Russ, if its for the min id be interested. He would help our pace issue and drawing fouls issue, there are other ppl that can shoot

I haven't been a big fan of his historically and not sure I'm interested in him now but what I will say is the 7 game losing streak that locked us into the play-in and ultimately damned our season probably doesn't happen with a Westbrook like motor in the mix, unlike some ppl he's not too cool to play like he wants to win a regular season game.

I don't think a high motor guy was saving this team last season, those games/losing streak the guys were trying, they just could not score or defend from top to bottom. An old star screaming and pouting running quickly up and down the court wrestling rebounds out of guys hands wasn't making a difference. Just another dude really great at the fine art of the midrange brick.

[Kobewade11]

I don't think a high motor guy was saving this team last season, those games/losing streak the guys were trying, they just could not score or defend from top to bottom. An old star screaming and pouting running quickly up and down the court wrestling rebounds out of guys hands wasn't making a difference. Just another dude really great at the fine art of the midrange brick.

Agree to disagree

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[Beenie]

While I agree with this, Miami's offensive has been amongst the worst in the NBA statistically. Is that really worth saving? My question would be if Young would be capable of playing off the ball effectively. Otherwise, Miami would in theory move to an offense featuring a more ball-dominant player.

The next issue, assuming Rozier is still on the team, is a Young/Rozier backcourt. Even if Rozier comes off the bench, this seems like an unplayable pair. Herro doesn't pose a height issue, but a Herro/Young pairing seems equally as bad.

The one thing for sure is adding Young would not be enough and Miami would need other moves to get its roster up to speed.

That last paragraph, get to work Patrick time to do your job and actually put a competent roster around Jimmy Bam and Spo.

As for the offense, the ball better be in Traes hand majority of the time. He can play off ball too but you’re bringing him in here to vastly improve the offense and make Bams life easier

But what about jovic playing point forward if you have Trae having the ball majority of the times? Trae makes me think of Denver how they would abused Heats’ guards and I think Celtics did the same thing on Heats guards by switch big on small. Trae would be the perfect candidate for teams to pick on which once again collapsed the offense because Trae is tired and abused and we heavily rely on him to be our problem solver on offense.

Mia’s starting guards get abused regardless

The opposite scenario of Trae abusing Den and anyone for the matter on switches is what’s attractive.

Thats a benefit that Mia hasn’t really enjoyed in the playoffs apart from a few scattered instances

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