Miami Heat Regular Season/Speculation Thread 2021 Part 3

[SDC]

Off season, I'd re-sign Olynyk, go after Lowry, sign Duncan, keep dragic if possible, convince haslem to play one more year....

[RexBoyWonder]

Off season, I'd re-sign Olynyk, go after Lowry, sign Duncan, keep dragic if possible, convince haslem to play one more year....

Won't happen.

We shouldn't over-react and blow everything up, but staying put isn't an option either.

We need some real changes, everything but jimmy and Bam should be considered.

Hell, Pat has the rare type of authority to do trade Bam/Jimmy if he see fits. I don't think he will, but nothing is off the table IMO.


Best case scenario I can currently imagine is adding Kawhi + Lowry, it might be possible. Not very likely, but possible.

[twix2500]

Off season, I'd re-sign Olynyk, go after Lowry, sign Duncan, keep dragic if possible, convince haslem to play one more year....

Won't happen.

We shouldn't over-react and blow everything up, but staying put isn't an option either.

We need some real changes, everything but jimmy and Bam should be considered.

Hell, Pat has the rare type of authority to do trade Bam/Jimmy if he see fits. I don't think he will, but nothing is off the table IMO.


Best case scenario I can currently imagine is adding Kawhi + Lowry, it might be possible. Not very likely, but possible.

I think Lowry would try to influence Leonard.

I just hope you all don't get caught up emotionally at getting Leonard who not even entertained Miami both times he was on the move.

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[contract]

Off season, I'd re-sign Olynyk, go after Lowry, sign Duncan, keep dragic if possible, convince haslem to play one more year....

Haslem for what purpose?

[SDC]

Off season, I'd re-sign Olynyk, go after Lowry, sign Duncan, keep dragic if possible, convince haslem to play one more year....

Haslem for what purpose?

The haslem part is a joke

[MettaWorldPanda]

I figure the only way we get Lowry is via S&T since it would make no sense to use all our cap space on him. I really do think Lowry does want to come here and play with Butler.

[DayofMourning]

If it was my decision we'd have to say bye bye to Duncan. He is targeted so much on defense. He's not a net positive player like he was last year. Teams thrive on him as a defender. Sad but true.

[MettaWorldPanda]

I was just reading the rules on S&T’s and man they are difficult to make happen. Team trading for S&T player is hard capped at apron. We might get stuck having to match Duncan and Nunn and trying to trade them if not lose them for nothing.

[MettaWorldPanda]

If it was my decision we'd have to say bye bye to Duncan. He is targeted so much on defense. He's not a net positive player like he was last year. Teams thrive on him as a defender. Sad but true.

I’m not sure Riley is going to let him walk without getting any assets and right now anyone that has the chance to sign him to a decent offer sheet has us by the balls. Throw a S&T for restricted free agent out the window. Way too many negative rules with that for receiving team to make it worthwhile unless for a true star.

[MettaWorldPanda]

Name to keep an eye on in offseason that will be in our price range is PG Spencer Dinwiddie. Nets will and most likely are a type of team that benefits from a S&T as they are already hard capped at apron.

https://allucanheat.com/2020/06/03/miami-heat-rumors-spencer-dinwiddie-2021/

[contract]

Off season, I'd re-sign Olynyk, go after Lowry, sign Duncan, keep dragic if possible, convince haslem to play one more year....

Won't happen.

We shouldn't over-react and blow everything up, but staying put isn't an option either.

We need some real changes, everything but jimmy and Bam should be considered.

Hell, Pat has the rare type of authority to do trade Bam/Jimmy if he see fits. I don't think he will, but nothing is off the table IMO.


Best case scenario I can currently imagine is adding Kawhi + Lowry, it might be possible. Not very likely, but possible.

Blowing it up isn't an overreaction. Starting with the obvious stuff ...

Haslem: Has no role on the team. He doesn't even play in blowouts. And if "leadership" is his thing, then he sucks at that too.

Iggy: He's cooked. His savvy is no longer enough to cover for his declining athleticism. He needs to go.

Ariza: He turns 36 in a month. He's not a 4, and trying to keep up with athletic wings as you age is a losing battle. He needs to go.

Bjelica: He's a 33 year old scrub who couldn't earn playing time on a team that desperately needed a stretch 4. He may be able to play on a team with no expectations, but that ain't this.

Dipo: Was a 3rd tier star in his 1 year peak, and was damaged goods long before he even got here. He hasn't played even half a season in 3 years. Odds are pretty good that even if he plays at all next season, it will be at a diminished level. Waiting for him to get healthy would be a mistake. We need to move on.


Here is where it starts getting a little more difficult ...

Dragic: He is 35 years old and is not the player he used to be. He isn't as good, and his body is betraying him. However good he was this season, we should expect somewhat less next year. That what happens as players get into their mid to late 30s. If we bring him back, it has to be at a DEEP discount. Maybe $10 million with a team option for a 2nd year.

Robinson: Clearly he's going to want to get paid for his 1 skill, and we should not be the ones paying him. A starter who is 6th on the team in scoring while sucking on defense. The man literally lives behind the 3 point line. 8.5 of his 10 shot attempts per game are 3 pointers. There isn't enough else to justify a big salary or even a moderate salary. He's a classic example of a guy who is a bargain while he's a bargain but becomes a burden once you actually have to pay him. He's a deluxe version of Jason Kapono. Not only should we not give him what he'll want, we shouldn't even offer him as much as we offer Dragic. Some stupid team will make him an offer, and we should decline to match it.

Nunn: Nunn is an OK player. But he's another example of a player who is only a bargain while he's a bargain. He's not really starter material. Not really a 6th man type. Ideally he's a backup PG and the 3rd or 4th guy off your bench, and should be paid accordingly. I don't think he'll get a significant offer from another team, but if he does ...

Herro & Precious: We can't wait around for him to develop if we're building around Jimmy.

Blowing it up is exactly what this roster needs.

[contract]

I figure the only way we get Lowry is via S&T since it would make no sense to use all our cap space on him. I really do think Lowry does want to come here and play with Butler.

Lowry is 35. You can't preserve guys in vinegar. His level of play will decline day by day and year by year from where it is now. He would have been fine as a desperation move at the deadline, but we need to focus on bigger fish now. This team doesn't need improvement along the edges, it needs an overhaul. We need more talent, and that talent has to be able to hold up through the rest of Jimmy's prime. Pissing away significant cap space on a guy who is only going to get worse would be a mistake.

We need someone like Dame, not another guy looking for a place in The Villages.

[contract]

I was just reading the rules on S&T’s and man they are difficult to make happen. Team trading for S&T player is hard capped at apron. We might get stuck having to match Duncan and Nunn and trying to trade them if not lose them for nothing.

Nothing is such an underrated asset.

[Grumpy Heat Fan]

Yes Miami didn't have the picks. They couldn't do it, not that they didn't want too.

We have a FRP in 2022 and 2024. So we had future picks to trade??

[MettaWorldPanda]

Yes Miami didn't have the picks. They couldn't do it, not that they didn't want too.

We have a FRP in 2022 and 2024. So no, we had future picks to trade.


Riley simply said no.


Riles turned down James Harden, for Herro, Robinson, Nunn, Achiuwa, 2 FRP's, and 4 swaps.


FML

Those picks were locked up because you can’t trade picks in b2b years.

[MettaWorldPanda]

I was just reading the rules on S&T’s and man they are difficult to make happen. Team trading for S&T player is hard capped at apron. We might get stuck having to match Duncan and Nunn and trying to trade them if not lose them for nothing.

Nothing is such an underrated asset.

Agreed. Hope we learned from the Tyler Johnson contract match.

[Grumpy Heat Fan]

Yes Miami didn't have the picks. They couldn't do it, not that they didn't want too.

We have a FRP in 2022 and 2024. So no, we had future picks to trade.


Riley simply said no.


Riles turned down James Harden, for Herro, Robinson, Nunn, Achiuwa, 2 FRP's, and 4 swaps.


FML

Those picks were locked up because you can’t trade picks in b2b years.

You're telling me we couldn't go to the Rockets and say,

"Okay, we have a deal on everything, we just have one problem. We want to agree to this deal right now, but the Stepien rule is blocking us, about the FRP's. What else can we give you?"

Or find a 3rd team and make something happen there. Riley used to be a master at blockbuster 5 team trades and such.

[contract]

I’m not sure Riley is going to let him walk without getting any assets ...

Two words: Tyler Johnson

Two more words: Ryan Anderson

We're still (literally) paying for matching that offer sheet.

"Pride goeth before Tyler Johnson, and an haughty spirit before a Ryan Anderson." -- Proverbs 16:18

"When pride comes, then comes Tyler Johnson, but with the humble is wisdom to avoid Ryan Anderson." -- Proverbs 11:2


I try to keep religion out of basketball discussions, but ... it's right there in the Bible. It's the very first "Thou shalt not ...". Thou shalt not match an offer sheet just to avoid losing a player for nothing because plagues follow.

[MettaWorldPanda]

I figure the only way we get Lowry is via S&T since it would make no sense to use all our cap space on him. I really do think Lowry does want to come here and play with Butler.

Lowry is 35. You can't preserve guys in vinegar. His level of play will decline day by day and year by year from where it is now. He would have been fine as a desperation move at the deadline, but we need to focus on bigger fish now. This team doesn't need improvement along the edges, it needs an overhaul. We need more talent, and that talent has to be able to hold up through the rest of Jimmy's prime. Pissing away significant cap space on a guy who is only going to get worse would be a mistake.

We need someone like Dame, not another guy looking for a place in The Villages.

Issue is we are working with a narrow window and Lowry can and will help next year and especially if you can put him in tandem with someone like Dinwiddie. A sign and trade opportunity could materialize for the Raptors with us if we ship out the team opt in’s of Dragic, Iguodala, and a young asset like Okpala. Seems like a worthwhile dice roll if that’s the price and keeps Jimmy happy. Team will have to get creative with what we have in order to make additions. Aside from what we have in cap space.

[contract]

I was just reading the rules on S&T’s and man they are difficult to make happen. Team trading for S&T player is hard capped at apron. We might get stuck having to match Duncan and Nunn and trying to trade them if not lose them for nothing.

Nothing is such an underrated asset.

Agreed. Hope we learned from the Tyler Johnson contract match.

I was typing my reply when you posted this.