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Re: Miami Heat Offseason Thread vol. 1: Post Mortem 

Post#1061 » by contract » Tue May 7, 2024 1:41 pm

MartyConlonJr wrote:I guess Pat Riley and Jimmy could structure an incentive and commitment oriented extension around games played, games won, playoff advancing where 3rd year is not guaranteed unless he meets those markers

No thanks. It doesn't matter what Jimmy does this coming year. He's still going to be 37 in any proposed 3rd year. Why would you intentionally add a year to the contract of a player that you know is going to be declining? I don't care if he's going to be unhappy. I'm unhappy. Jimmy has earned over $260 million in NBA salary and will have earned $370 million by the time his contract expires.

He'll get over it.

If the Heat want to be stupid then they can offer him the UD deal where we let him sit on the end of the bench collecting the NBA minimum for another 10 years after his current contract expires. He can be our veteran leader/tough guy.
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Post#1063 » by greg4012 » Tue May 7, 2024 1:44 pm

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MettaWorldPanda wrote:Need Martin, Bryant, and Love to opt out. Need to make sure if we do bring Highsmith back that he’s nothing more then the 15th man on this team. Too offensively limited to be a SF and way too small to be a consistent PF on this team. Even a backup PF is absolutely out of the question. I hope someone out there gives him an offer over the QO.



Highsmith will be our starting PF next year, we'll get a couple of Spoisms, preach about all the hard work he put in during the summer to get the offensive talent he's never had outside of a couple of cags.


Jovic started the whole back half of the season and the playoffs. YOu all just erasing him to push a narrative?
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Post#1064 » by 3ammy3uck3ts » Tue May 7, 2024 1:45 pm

Haywood Highsmith slander will NOT be tolerated. If you’re mad he plays be mad at Pat for not giving Spo a better roster to work with
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Post#1065 » by 3ammy3uck3ts » Tue May 7, 2024 1:49 pm

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Well know shortly who the player was, the “insiders” will spill the beans
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Post#1066 » by IceColdCubano » Tue May 7, 2024 1:56 pm

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Well know shortly who the player was, the “insiders” will spill the beans


I think I pin pointed it out rather easily....
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Post#1067 » by MettaWorldPanda » Tue May 7, 2024 2:07 pm

3ammy3uck3ts wrote:Haywood Highsmith slander will NOT be tolerated. If you’re mad he plays be mad at Pat for not giving Spo a better roster to work with

I got nothing personal against Highsmith and I do blame the front office. Highsmith deserves a spot on the team at the end of the bench. Probably a great guy to have in practice pushing the guys with his defense and hard work. It’s when Spo decides to over play him in anything other than a pick your spots defensive stopper role. Spo has a bad history of doing this that you almost have to save him from himself like when we finally dealt McGruder away.
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Post#1068 » by 3ammy3uck3ts » Tue May 7, 2024 2:07 pm

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Well know shortly who the player was, the “insiders” will spill the beans


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Yes I was thinking James Harden or Kyrie. Maybe someone out of the blue like Lavine
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Post#1069 » by carnageta » Tue May 7, 2024 2:28 pm

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carnageta wrote:Everyone keeps mentioning the lack of size on our roster - the same lack of size is what's gotten us to 2 finals and 3 ECF in the last 5 years. (please, lets not act like Meyers Leonard starting at C for half the regular season in 2020 was why we made it as far).

Injuries are a legit concern for this team, and that is something the front office can't really control. We acquired a 20ppg scorer in Terry Rozier and then he has a neck / spinal injury that ends up costing him the season. We lost Jimmy in the play-in game that we shouldn't have been participating in. Tyler Herro missed 42 games. We missed the 6th seed by 1 game. We missed home-court advantage by 2 games. These guys dress up a bit more and we probably get the job done.

Jimmy Butler took a 'rest' day 3 games into the regular season, and now likely wants a max contract extension to boot - and ya'll are upset Pat called him out?

Last year was a cinderalla type run. The previous years we might have been small in height with Tucker and Crowder but both were wide and hard to move off the blocks. Love also played PF and Zeller was brought in to give us more beef up front last year for the stretch run. Also during the Crowder run we had KO coming off the bench. This years version of small ball was similar to when we got mollywopped running out Ariza, Harkless, and Iguodala.



We matchup extremely well against Boston and Milwaukee due to our defensive versatility and Bam being able to switch out on the perimeter and guard elite wings. Adding a big next to him full-time can only work if it's a mobile big that can space the floor. Jovic did a great job of that this year, and should continue to improve. Our PF spot this season was far and away better than the Trevor Ariza year. It's not easy to find a big that is mobile and can space the floor; there are only a select few of them in the league. KO is way too immobile and would get beat off of the dribble every single possession by Jayson Tatum, Jaylen Brown, and Derrick White.

The reason why we got mollywhopped in the yoffs' against Boston was not because we didn't have a big man next to Bam, it was because we couldn't impose any sort of offensive pressure on the Celtics. We have 4 20ppg scorers on the team but 2 of them were out (Jimmy and Rozier). As a first and second option, Herro and Bam will not work. However, you add in 2 other players to that mix that can also score 20+ and the dynamic completely shifts.


Again, Butler got injured from a fluke accident in a play-in game that we shouldn't have been participating in. Butler took a rest day 3 games into the regular season against the Milwaukee Bucks (a game in which we lost by 13). Maybe if he plays that game, and a couple others that were missed for the same purposes, we avoid the play-in entirely.
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Post#1070 » by Lennyzinho » Tue May 7, 2024 2:33 pm

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Where are the odds that he stays in miami?

Also what are the odds Rapaz starts a different schtick ?
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Post#1071 » by Lennyzinho » Tue May 7, 2024 2:36 pm

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MettaWorldPanda wrote:Need Martin, Bryant, and Love to opt out. Need to make sure if we do bring Highsmith back that he’s nothing more then the 15th man on this team. Too offensively limited to be a SF and way too small to be a consistent PF on this team. Even a backup PF is absolutely out of the question. I hope someone out there gives him an offer over the QO.



Highsmith will be our starting PF next year, we'll get a couple of Spoisms, preach about all the hard work he put in during the summer to get the offensive talent he's never had outside of a couple of cags.


Jovic started the whole back half of the season and the playoffs. YOu all just erasing him to push a narrative?


Yea seriously. Jovic is so good. I also don't know why everyone wants him to bulk up. He's not nearly as skinny as Evan Mobley or Chet or Wemby or durant. He's fine the way he is imo. And the last thing I want is jovic to sacrifice his athleticism, speed and conditioning by putting on weight.
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Post#1072 » by 3ammy3uck3ts » Tue May 7, 2024 2:39 pm

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He beats his elderly dad so take it with a grain of salt but he’s insinuating Morey started the rumors just as everyone else has
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Post#1074 » by EMC5466 » Tue May 7, 2024 2:44 pm

I think Jimmy is as good as gone. You don’t come back after getting buried publicly like that.
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Post#1075 » by eddieheatfan » Tue May 7, 2024 2:48 pm

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send him west. thats the ideal solution. lebron would be static having him. also it would make it difficult for the likes of denver to win it all again or at least wear them out in case they meet each other
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Post#1076 » by AirP. » Tue May 7, 2024 2:50 pm

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He beats his elderly dad so take it with a grain of salt but he’s insinuating Morey started the rumors just as everyone else has

I think it's Morey too, but I think it's a smokescreen to get P.George to either sign quickly where they don't have to trade any assets so they can make additional trades or get some team to trade their vet star before the team that has cap space and the want for a vet start is no longer looking. I wouldn't be surprised if they're looking at DeRozan also for a short window.
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Post#1077 » by MettaWorldPanda » Tue May 7, 2024 2:51 pm

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He beats his elderly dad so take it with a grain of salt but he’s insinuating Morey started the rumors just as everyone else has

I think it's Morey too, but I think it's a smokescreen to get P.George to either sign quickly where they don't have to trade any assets so they can make additional trades or get some team to trade their vet star before the team that has cap space and the want for a vet start is no longer looking. I be surprised if they're looking at DeRozan also for a short window.

Yeah DeRozan makes a good amount of sense for them.
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Post#1078 » by Rapaz » Tue May 7, 2024 2:53 pm

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Where are the odds that he stays in miami?

Also what are the odds Rapaz starts a different schtick ?
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Post#1079 » by greg4012 » Tue May 7, 2024 2:53 pm

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Highsmith will be our starting PF next year, we'll get a couple of Spoisms, preach about all the hard work he put in during the summer to get the offensive talent he's never had outside of a couple of cags.


Jovic started the whole back half of the season and the playoffs. YOu all just erasing him to push a narrative?


Yea seriously. Jovic is so good. I also don't know why everyone wants him to bulk up. He's not nearly as skinny as Evan Mobley or Chet or Wemby or durant. He's fine the way he is imo. And the last thing I want is jovic to sacrifice his athleticism, speed and conditioning by putting on weight.


I think he'll naturally carry more weight. But, def agree that there is zero need to force the issue. Can't sacrifice his athleticism, speed, and conditioning. Ideally, all strength training is serving his athleticism.

TBH, I think a big part of the reason why Jovic didn't play more minutes and more in the 2nd half of games is because of his conditioning.

This is a 20 year old that missed a big chunk of his rookie season due to back spasms (that may have been the result of literal growing pains paired with NBA wear and tear). He'll catch up to the NBA conditioning. And I bet he'll be the one serving the punishment in a couple years.

I'm pretty confident that he is not done growing into his frame.
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Re: Miami Heat Offseason Thread vol. 1: Post Mortem 

Post#1080 » by Kobewade11 » Tue May 7, 2024 2:54 pm

EMC5466 wrote:I think Jimmy is as good as gone. You don’t come back after getting buried publicly like that.

You dont think Jimmy has guts?

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