2025 Regular Season Thread Vol. 9

[3ammy3uck3ts]

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Jovic return?!

[3ammy3uck3ts]

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Duncan is elite off the dribble, Herro is a much better catch and shoot guy than off the dribble. Gotta get Herro more off ball and knocking down efficient shots he’s comfortable with

[3ammy3uck3ts]

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[wadenation305]

Quick Question: I'm starting to see people talk about Bam, Ware, Jovic, Jaquez, and every pick for Giannis. Would you guys do it? I do not see the point. Is Giannis a top player in this league? Yes, are we better off after the trade? I think not. We just traded away Bam, and every single asset we have to acquire a star older than the one we traded away. Bam got his wings in Miami; he loves it here and the team. Giannis would just be loyal only to himself and himself only. We would have no assets to acquire any other star. No one is going to give up money to play with anyone in this league (At least game-changing talent. So, if we have no assets, getting better is just not realistic. We would have also gotten rid of any cheap talent on the team and would be relying on old players.

[3ammy3uck3ts]

Quick Question: I'm starting to see people talk about Bam, Ware, Jovic, Jaquez, and every pick for Giannis. Would you guys do it? I do not see the point. Is Giannis a top player in this league? Yes, are we better off after the trade? I think not. We just traded away Bam, and for every single asset, we have to acquire a star older than the one we traded away. Bam got his wings in Miami; he loves it here and the team. Giannis would just be loyal only to himself and himself only. We would have no assets to acquire any other star. No one is going to give up money to play with anyone in this league (At least game-changing talent. So, if we have no assets, getting better is just not realistic. We would have also gotten rid of any cheap talent on the team and would be relying on old players.

If it’s Bam AND every asset it’s pretty pointless like you said. I’m not sure how they’d go about adding more talent considering Herro likely wants a massive extension and majority of guys worth mentioning are acquired through trade now and not free agency.

[Shewasfly]

Quick Question: I'm starting to see people talk about Bam, Ware, Jovic, Jaquez, and every pick for Giannis. Would you guys do it? I do not see the point. Is Giannis a top player in this league? Yes, are we better off after the trade? I think not. We just traded away Bam, and for every single asset, we have to acquire a star older than the one we traded away. Bam got his wings in Miami; he loves it here and the team. Giannis would just be loyal only to himself and himself only. We would have no assets to acquire any other star. No one is going to give up money to play with anyone in this league (At least game-changing talent. So, if we have no assets, getting better is just not realistic. We would have also gotten rid of any cheap talent on the team and would be relying on old players.

If you take Ware and Jovic out of it and maybe not do every pick then yes. (I don't see why the Bucks would do this or your trade tbh, but if we're going to dream, let's dream!) You can then turn around and use Jovic, Wiggins and remaining picks and whatever salary filler for KD.

Mitchell
Herro
KD
Giannis
Ware

That's a super long and very talented team. I could also see a lot of vets wanting to join that team too, in the weaker east. So depth shouldn't be that hard.

[oreon]

If i was running a team and i was stupid enough to listen and entertain Jokic offers, it starts at 8 unprotected first round picks and 2 all stars in return for jokic and im not budging for anything less. Jokic is not going anywhere, stop the stupid pipedreams and rumors. He is in prime and the clear best player on the planet by far.

Jokic is also a very private guy and has shown no desire to become a celebrity. Hes not getting moved.

We don't know that. Everyone is assuming he's a lifer because he's quiet. He has a chance to be top 10 all time if he can win 2 more titles. He already has the individual awards and the statistical achievements. But he needs more rings. If he gets to 3 or 4, he goes above Curry and then we may need to have the Shaq Jokic conversation. Bit it doesn't look like its gonna happen with Nuggets any time soon.
But he's never given any indication either way that he would be willing to play for another team. He's eligible to sign an extension this summer. So we will have answer in the offseason. If he doesn't sign then everybody needs to ready their offers. So I wouldn't dismiss till we see what he does with the offer

He has 3 years 175 million remaining. No team in the NBA can offer the amount of money the nuggets can with him hitting every mark for. Supermax extension.

The nba is such a toxic league, anytime something happens, you all are looking for the next trade conversation and set yourselves up for that dumb talk.

Its like every team in the nba is ran by the same idiots that run the Marlins

I didn't say he would ask out. I said lets see if he signs that extension in the summer.
If he opts out of his deal, he will be eligible for 35 % cap anyways if he's traded to another team because by then he will be 10 years in. So the financial loss of getting traded ain't that much compared to Doncic who wont be 10 years in for his new deal. So the financial incentive for him to stay isn't that big.
And back to my point. No one what he's thinking. Does money or legacy matter to him. If he cares about legacy then leaving is has to be an option because the chances of him winning another ring with Denver is limited unless the Nuggets can improve the roster.
But we'll see what happens when the extension is offered. You assuming he might never ask out is the same as people assuming he might. We just don't know because we don't know how Jokic thinks

[greg4012]

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It will need to be a "star" that is better than Butler.

Similar footing with a better synergistic fit works too

[Daffy]

Quick Question: I'm starting to see people talk about Bam, Ware, Jovic, Jaquez, and every pick for Giannis. Would you guys do it? I do not see the point. Is Giannis a top player in this league? Yes, are we better off after the trade? I think not. We just traded away Bam, and every single asset we have to acquire a star older than the one we traded away. Bam got his wings in Miami; he loves it here and the team. Giannis would just be loyal only to himself and himself only. We would have no assets to acquire any other star. No one is going to give up money to play with anyone in this league (At least game-changing talent. So, if we have no assets, getting better is just not realistic. We would have also gotten rid of any cheap talent on the team and would be relying on old players.

Trading Bam or Herro for Giannis puts us back at square one. Barely having any assets to acquire a 3rd star. If this was the NBA where FA was still a thing then I'd quickly do it. If we already had a 3rd star like when we had Jimmy then I'd quickly do it. Right now we need to add to our 2 best pieces.

[greg4012]

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Duncan is elite off the dribble, Herro is a much better catch and shoot guy than off the dribble. Gotta get Herro more off ball and knocking down efficient shots he’s comfortable with

Feel like Duncan has a bunch of 1-2 dribble relocations off pump fakes or hard close outs. That's def his bag.

NBA.com tracking data has Herro at 35.5% on pull up 3s--which is still pretty damn good (40% on C&S 3s). Tyler is at 4.5 C&S 3PAs per game and 4.3 pull-up 3PAs per game. Tyler is 15th in the NBA in 3pt% on pull-up 3s among the 39 players that take 3 or more pull-up 3s per game (16th in pull-up 3PAs per game).

Link: https://www.nba.com/stats/players/pullup?CF=PULL_UP_FG3A*GE*3&dir=D&sort=PULL_UP_FG3A

Each of the 15 players that take more pull-up 3s per game than Tyler have more than 50% of their 3PAs as pull-ups. This somewhat reflects the difficulty of ramping up 3PAs without pull-ups being a majority source of those looks IMO.

Definitely agree that Tyler's offensive game would be further optimized if he can somehow get closer to 60%+ of his 3PAs in C&S by being able to play off the ball a little more. Unfortunately, Miami doesn't have that other perimeter playmaker and it's generally a very hard thing to accomplish for a high usage 20+ ppg scorer. There are only 15 players in the NBA that take more than 5 C&S 3PAs per game this season.

The piece of the formula to consider in conjunction with volume 3pt shooting is creating the looks. Handle and space creation are key.

[DayofMourning]

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My top 5 for DPOY are:

SGA
Hartenstein
Dort
Jalen Will
Caruso
Chet
Cason
Draymond

[DayofMourning]

https://www.hoopsrumors.com/2025/04/heat-likely-to-extend-qualifying-offer-to-davion-mitchell.html

So, 49 minutes for Davion over the next 3?

[3ammy3uck3ts]

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It will need to be a "star" that is better than Butler.

Similar footing with a better synergistic fit works too

With KD you get both!

[Tim_Hardawayy]

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Duncan is elite off the dribble, Herro is a much better catch and shoot guy than off the dribble. Gotta get Herro more off ball and knocking down efficient shots he’s comfortable with

Feel like Duncan has a bunch of 1-2 dribble relocations off pump fakes or hard close outs. That's def his bag.

NBA.com tracking data has Herro at 35.5% on pull up 3s--which is still pretty damn good (40% on C&S 3s). Tyler is at 4.5 C&S 3PAs per game and 4.3 pull-up 3PAs per game. Tyler is 15th in the NBA in 3pt% on pull-up 3s among the 39 players that take 3 or more pull-up 3s per game (16th in pull-up 3PAs per game).

Link: https://www.nba.com/stats/players/pullup?CF=PULL_UP_FG3A*GE*3&dir=D&sort=PULL_UP_FG3A

Each of the 15 players that take more pull-up 3s per game than Tyler have more than 50% of their 3PAs as pull-ups. This somewhat reflects the difficulty of ramping up 3PAs without pull-ups being a majority source of those looks IMO.

Definitely agree that Tyler's offensive game would be further optimized if he can somehow get closer to 60%+ of his 3PAs in C&S by being able to play off the ball a little more. Unfortunately, Miami doesn't have that other perimeter playmaker and it's generally a very hard thing to accomplish for a high usage 20+ ppg scorer. There are only 15 players in the NBA that take more than 5 C&S 3PAs per game this season.

The piece of the formula to consider in conjunction with volume 3pt shooting is creating the looks. Handle and space creation are key.

Yeah was going to say, when I think of off the dribble I’m thinking of a guy that can create his own space for a 3 and Duncan cannot do that at all. There’s some nuance to this, phoneposting so might edit this later.

[3ammy3uck3ts]

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Ant
KD
Giannis
Bam
Jokic

[MartyConlonJr]

https://www.hoopsrumors.com/2025/04/heat-likely-to-extend-qualifying-offer-to-davion-mitchell.html

So, 49 minutes for Davion over the next 3?

Does it benefit us at all to have him on the lower qualifying offer? He is worth either of those salaries, and they are less than non tax payer MLE (13.645) that he would have a good chance at. The room MLE is 8.495 mill, so 8.74 is just over. Is it better to be able to give a QO thst is higher than the MLE most teams can offer and have him bet on himself?

I don't know the answer genuinely. It would be nice to see Davion get a salary that is higher next year, dips in 26-27 and then rises again to give us the best flexibility like some contracts are structured.

[wadenation305]

Quick Question: I'm starting to see people talk about Bam, Ware, Jovic, Jaquez, and every pick for Giannis. Would you guys do it? I do not see the point. Is Giannis a top player in this league? Yes, are we better off after the trade? I think not. We just traded away Bam, and for every single asset, we have to acquire a star older than the one we traded away. Bam got his wings in Miami; he loves it here and the team. Giannis would just be loyal only to himself and himself only. We would have no assets to acquire any other star. No one is going to give up money to play with anyone in this league (At least game-changing talent. So, if we have no assets, getting better is just not realistic. We would have also gotten rid of any cheap talent on the team and would be relying on old players.

If it’s Bam AND every asset it’s pretty pointless like you said. I’m not sure how they’d go about adding more talent considering Herro likely wants a massive extension and majority of guys worth mentioning are acquired through trade now and not free agency.

Most certainly, trading for someone of Giannis caliber is not so cut and dry. The only team that could do it(Throw their top player and picks with a few rookie scale contracts with promise) without being completely devoid of anything else might be OKC.

[wadenation305]

Quick Question: I'm starting to see people talk about Bam, Ware, Jovic, Jaquez, and every pick for Giannis. Would you guys do it? I do not see the point. Is Giannis a top player in this league? Yes, are we better off after the trade? I think not. We just traded away Bam, and for every single asset, we have to acquire a star older than the one we traded away. Bam got his wings in Miami; he loves it here and the team. Giannis would just be loyal only to himself and himself only. We would have no assets to acquire any other star. No one is going to give up money to play with anyone in this league (At least game-changing talent. So, if we have no assets, getting better is just not realistic. We would have also gotten rid of any cheap talent on the team and would be relying on old players.

If you take Ware and Jovic out of it and maybe not do every pick then yes. (I don't see why the Bucks would do this or your trade tbh, but if we're going to dream, let's dream!) You can then turn around and use Jovic, Wiggins and remaining picks and whatever salary filler for KD.

Mitchell
Herro
KD
Giannis
Ware

That's a super long and very talented team. I could also see a lot of vets wanting to join that team too, in the weaker east. So depth shouldn't be that hard.

It's not my trade idea at all. It's way too rich for my blood. But sadly, as always, the cool thing is to say all Heat players are trash and have no value. Our FO is so superior to all others that no one would be able to get the same value out of our players as us. So it would require all of it for them not to hang up the phone. Yet most of our drafted players, if we had a re-draft, would be chosen top 5 picks.

People would still peddle the nonsense that somehow Mikal Bridges and RJ Barret are more valuable than Herro, for instance. The hate for the Heat is truly strong.

[greg4012]

Quick Question: I'm starting to see people talk about Bam, Ware, Jovic, Jaquez, and every pick for Giannis. Would you guys do it? I do not see the point. Is Giannis a top player in this league? Yes, are we better off after the trade? I think not. We just traded away Bam, and for every single asset, we have to acquire a star older than the one we traded away. Bam got his wings in Miami; he loves it here and the team. Giannis would just be loyal only to himself and himself only. We would have no assets to acquire any other star. No one is going to give up money to play with anyone in this league (At least game-changing talent. So, if we have no assets, getting better is just not realistic. We would have also gotten rid of any cheap talent on the team and would be relying on old players.

If you take Ware and Jovic out of it and maybe not do every pick then yes. (I don't see why the Bucks would do this or your trade tbh, but if we're going to dream, let's dream!) You can then turn around and use Jovic, Wiggins and remaining picks and whatever salary filler for KD.

Mitchell
Herro
KD
Giannis
Ware

That's a super long and very talented team. I could also see a lot of vets wanting to join that team too, in the weaker east. So depth shouldn't be that hard.

It's not my trade idea at all. It's way too rich for my blood. But sadly, as always, the cool thing is to say all Heat players are trash and have no value. Our FO is so superior to all others that no one would be able to get the same value out of our players as us. So it would require all of it for them not to hang up the phone. Yet most of our drafted players, if we had a re-draft, would be chosen top 5 picks.

People would still peddle the nonsense that somehow Mikal Bridges and RJ Barret are more valuable than Herro, for instance. The hate for the Heat is truly strong.

And it starts with our own fans

[Beenie]

Quick Question: I'm starting to see people talk about Bam, Ware, Jovic, Jaquez, and every pick for Giannis. Would you guys do it? I do not see the point. Is Giannis a top player in this league? Yes, are we better off after the trade? I think not. We just traded away Bam, and every single asset we have to acquire a star older than the one we traded away. Bam got his wings in Miami; he loves it here and the team. Giannis would just be loyal only to himself and himself only. We would have no assets to acquire any other star. No one is going to give up money to play with anyone in this league (At least game-changing talent. So, if we have no assets, getting better is just not realistic. We would have also gotten rid of any cheap talent on the team and would be relying on old players.

If the they can clear the books and make room for a marquee free agent to pair with Giannis, in a heartbeat, yes