2023 Heat Season Thread - Let me dream edition

[wade44]

Could envision a scenario where we trade Herro for someone with 1 maybe 2 less years on their deal with a similar salary. Have to think of financial optics going forward with the new cba agreement in place

[ShulaDon92]

Could be yet another player using Miami Heat for leverage. Seen this movie many times

We really don't need to reinvent the wheel. Just tighten up some of the weapons. You get a whale, you're cutting depth, maybe.

-SHULA

[wade44]

Could be yet another player using Miami Heat for leverage. Seen this movie many times

We really don't need to reinvent the wheel. Just tighten up some of the weapons. You get a whale, you're cutting depth, maybe.

-SHULA

Don’t think there’s much improvements to be made. Miami has to look at who’s available for the MLE

[ShulaDon92]

Could be yet another player using Miami Heat for leverage. Seen this movie many times

We really don't need to reinvent the wheel. Just tighten up some of the weapons. You get a whale, you're cutting depth, maybe.

-SHULA

Don’t think there’s much improvements to be made. Miami has to look at who’s available for the MLE

There will be some possibilities for movement. Things will shake out

-SHULA

[al bondiga]

The feeling Of coming from behind With the Average players we have and winning, was Addictive... Is this what they call hope?

phuq! I'm gonna miss it... We almost had it

Milwaukee and New York fans feel very bad...But Boston fans... Can you even imagine???

It Is what I imagine rape Feels like

[greg4012]

Could envision a scenario where we trade Herro for someone with 1 maybe 2 less years on their deal with a similar salary. Have to think of financial optics going forward with the new cba agreement in place

Can you elaborate as to Miami's position pertaining to the new CBA ?

[wade44]

Could envision a scenario where we trade Herro for someone with 1 maybe 2 less years on their deal with a similar salary. Have to think of financial optics going forward with the new cba agreement in place

Can you elaborate as to Miami's position pertaining to the new CBA ?

The NBA is curbing the ability of the highest-spending teams, such as the Golden State Warriors and the LA Clippers, to continue running up salary and luxury tax spending while still maintaining mechanisms to add talent to the roster. The league is implementing a second salary cap apron -- $17.5 million over the tax line -- and those teams will lose several key team building mechanisms, including the taxpayer mid-level exception, utilizing cash in trades, moving first-round picks in drafts that are seven years away, signing free agent players in the buyout market and taking on more money than is being sent out in trades, sources said.

Knowing the Heat and how they operate as a first class organization, they will not mess with exceeding the second cap apron. If they feel they can use Herro’s salary to improve the roster or cut a few years off that commitment to get flexibility, then something could get done

[Daffy]

Then we mention Beal. He’s under contract until 2027. That second tax apron is going to loom large in the nba for next few years. Beal and Jimmy making 100 million per year combined sounds good on paper but in reality is just another pipe dream scenario

So basically you're telling me we're screwed...

[wade44]

Then we mention Beal. He’s under contract until 2027. That second tax apron is going to loom large in the nba for next few years. Beal and Jimmy making 100 million per year combined sounds good on paper but in reality is just another pipe dream scenario

So basically you're telling me we're screwed...

Well the point is to not get our hopes up of something big happening. We’ll be off the hook of Lowry and Dipo’s bad deals after next season and perhaps have a little more wiggle room after that. Hopefully before then we sign what can be a big contributor for the MLE to be competitive for next season

[wade44]

Unless of course we flip Lowry, and Oladipo expiring for another expiring like Siakam. If that’s the case we should start looking for other players who are expiring after next season

[Daffy]

Then we mention Beal. He’s under contract until 2027. That second tax apron is going to loom large in the nba for next few years. Beal and Jimmy making 100 million per year combined sounds good on paper but in reality is just another pipe dream scenario

So basically you're telling me we're screwed...

Well the point is to not get our hopes up of something big happening. We’ll be off the hook of Lowry and Dipo’s bad deals after next season and perhaps have a little more wiggle room after that. Hopefully before then we sign what can be a big contributor for the MLE to be competitive for next season

I meant in terms on combining Jimmy and Beal with their contracts.

[wade44]

So basically you're telling me we're screwed...

Well the point is to not get our hopes up of something big happening. We’ll be off the hook of Lowry and Dipo’s bad deals after next season and perhaps have a little more wiggle room after that. Hopefully before then we sign what can be a big contributor for the MLE to be competitive for next season

I meant in terms on combining Jimmy and Beal with their contracts.

I mean yeah. It sounds nice but not realistic with the new financial rules in place. There’s a reason Wizards will be looking to offload him

[Daffy]

Well the point is to not get our hopes up of something big happening. We’ll be off the hook of Lowry and Dipo’s bad deals after next season and perhaps have a little more wiggle room after that. Hopefully before then we sign what can be a big contributor for the MLE to be competitive for next season

I meant in terms on combining Jimmy and Beal with their contracts.

I mean yeah. It sounds nice but not realistic with the new financial rules in place. There’s a reason Wizards will be looking to offload him

I think its safe to say this team has basically hit their ceiling unless Herro hits another gear and we hit on some picks as well.

[greg4012]

Well the point is to not get our hopes up of something big happening. We’ll be off the hook of Lowry and Dipo’s bad deals after next season and perhaps have a little more wiggle room after that. Hopefully before then we sign what can be a big contributor for the MLE to be competitive for next season

I meant in terms on combining Jimmy and Beal with their contracts.

I mean yeah. It sounds nice but not realistic with the new financial rules in place. There’s a reason Wizards will be looking to offload him

I guess I’m still not completely clear why this is so determinative.

From my vantage point, trading out Herro + Lowry for someone like Beal+Wright coming back keeps Miami within the ~$180M penalty threshold with about $10M to spend to fill out a few spots. That’s tight but another cap relief move and it’s suddenly fine and another big cap bump projected the following year.

What am I missing?

[Daffy]

I meant in terms on combining Jimmy and Beal with their contracts.

I mean yeah. It sounds nice but not realistic with the new financial rules in place. There’s a reason Wizards will be looking to offload him

I guess I’m still not completely clear why this is so determinative.

From my vantage point, trading out Herro + Lowry for someone like Beal+Wright coming back keeps Miami within the ~$180M penalty threshold with about $10M to spend to fill out a few spots. That’s tight but another cap relief move and it’s suddenly fine and another big cap bump projected the following year.

What am I missing?

I'm not good on the cap situation but maybe he's factoring the increase in salaries from Butler and Beal along with others? Like I said I have no idea. I'm trying to figure it out myself also. Just trying to piece this thing together.

[wade44]

I meant in terms on combining Jimmy and Beal with their contracts.

I mean yeah. It sounds nice but not realistic with the new financial rules in place. There’s a reason Wizards will be looking to offload him

I guess I’m still not completely clear why this is so determinative.

From my vantage point, trading out Herro + Lowry for someone like Beal+Wright coming back keeps Miami within the ~$180M penalty threshold with about $10M to spend to fill out a few spots. That’s tight but another cap relief move and it’s suddenly fine and another big cap bump projected the following year.

What am I missing?

For 2023-24, the salary cap is projected to be $134 million, and the luxury tax line is set to be $162 million. The first apron is set at $7 million above the luxury tax level in each season of the CBA (so $169 million for 2023-24) and the second apron is set at $17.5 million above the tax threshold (or $179.5 million). In future seasons, all of those numbers will rise

After further research yes it could work. Question is with increases in Beal and Jimmy’s salary every season will it give us enough flexibility to build around a Jimmy, Beal, and Bam core. For example next season those 3 combined puts us at 122+ million. 34 more million for Dipo, Robinson, Martin. 8 more for Jovic, Cain, and Orlando Robinson. So would we be staying under the first apron for that season/subsequent seasons with increasing salaries and would dipping their toes in those kind of waters be something the Heat brass would be comfortable doing?

[greg4012]

I mean yeah. It sounds nice but not realistic with the new financial rules in place. There’s a reason Wizards will be looking to offload him

I guess I’m still not completely clear why this is so determinative.

From my vantage point, trading out Herro + Lowry for someone like Beal+Wright coming back keeps Miami within the ~$180M penalty threshold with about $10M to spend to fill out a few spots. That’s tight but another cap relief move and it’s suddenly fine and another big cap bump projected the following year.

What am I missing?

For 2023-24, the salary cap is projected to be $134 million, and the luxury tax line is set to be $162 million. The first apron is set at $7 million above the luxury tax level in each season of the CBA (so $169 million for 2023-24) and the second apron is set at $17.5 million above the tax threshold (or $179.5 million). In future seasons, all of those numbers will rise

After further research yes it could work. Question is with increases in Beal and Jimmy’s salary every season will it give us enough flexibility to build around a Jimmy, Beal, and Bam core. For example next season those 3 combined puts us at 122+ million. 34 more million for Dipo, Robinson, Martin. 8 more for Jovic, Cain, and Orlando Robinson. So would we be staying under the first apron for that season/subsequent seasons with increasing salaries and would dipping their toes in those kind of waters be something the Heat brass would be comfortable doing?

Yup but this is just the type of stuff every highly competitive franchise will be gaming and navigating. Keeping some future draft picks absolutely would help. Jovic panning out and keeping him would be a major boon.

[dshearn]

I hate that Strus and Gabe faded at the end, I hate it for them....but if there is a silver lining....with any luck it is enough tarnish on them the the Heat dont Duncan Robinson them.....

I also and very happy Duncan returned to looking like he belongs in the NBA....cant justify his price tag, but at least when it was put up or shut-up time he looked like he belongs in the NBA....


I wonder if we have crossed that bridge on small ball, Joker has be so-so on defense, but you cant play him off the court.....so could this be the end of small ball?

I would kill for some 2022 Yurt at the 5. I really hope they bring in a real center.

[Daffy]

I hate that Strus and Gabe faded at the end, I hate it for them....but if there is a silver lining....with any luck it is enough tarnish on them the the Heat dont Duncan Robinson them.....

I also and very happy Duncan returned to looking like he belongs in the NBA....cant justify his price tag, but at least when it was put up or shut-up time he looked like he belongs in the NBA....


I wonder if we have crossed that bridge on small ball, Joker has be so-so on defense, but you cant play him off the court.....so could this be the end of small ball?

I would kill for some 2022 Yurt at the 5. I really hope they bring in a real center.

I love the strides Duncan has taken attacking the rim and even passing. Was a pleasure to see.

[Daffy]

I mean yeah. It sounds nice but not realistic with the new financial rules in place. There’s a reason Wizards will be looking to offload him

I guess I’m still not completely clear why this is so determinative.

From my vantage point, trading out Herro + Lowry for someone like Beal+Wright coming back keeps Miami within the ~$180M penalty threshold with about $10M to spend to fill out a few spots. That’s tight but another cap relief move and it’s suddenly fine and another big cap bump projected the following year.

What am I missing?

For 2023-24, the salary cap is projected to be $134 million, and the luxury tax line is set to be $162 million. The first apron is set at $7 million above the luxury tax level in each season of the CBA (so $169 million for 2023-24) and the second apron is set at $17.5 million above the tax threshold (or $179.5 million). In future seasons, all of those numbers will rise

After further research yes it could work. Question is with increases in Beal and Jimmy’s salary every season will it give us enough flexibility to build around a Jimmy, Beal, and Bam core. For example next season those 3 combined puts us at 122+ million. 34 more million for Dipo, Robinson, Martin. 8 more for Jovic, Cain, and Orlando Robinson. So would we be staying under the first apron for that season/subsequent seasons with increasing salaries and would dipping their toes in those kind of waters be something the Heat brass would be comfortable doing?

Good point about building around them. On the other hand Dipo contract falls off and Duncan isn't too far behind. Biggest question becomes how much does Beal improve our situation.