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I'm just waiting for Ibaka or Gasol become availableJustiseForMiami wrote:DayofMourning wrote:Would give Gortat a look. Always appreciated what he could do in a reserve role.
Yes. As long as he’d be okay getting some DNP-CD’s i could see him being a good fit.
Gortat/Noah make a ton of sense. Need some DRAYMOND and Defensive analytics
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twix2500 wrote:I'm just waiting for Ibaka or Gasol become availableJustiseForMiami wrote:DayofMourning wrote:Would give Gortat a look. Always appreciated what he could do in a reserve role.
Yes. As long as he’d be okay getting some DNP-CD’s i could see him being a good fit.
Gortat/Noah make a ton of sense. Need some DRAYMOND and Defensive analytics
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twix2500 wrote:What the Heat normally do is play zone with Olynyk on the court with another big. Unless the opposing team has two bigs, then they will man up and Olynyk takes the lesser big. Teams run their offense targeting Olynk because defensively he is the weak spot. Heat would quickly switch to JJ or Jones at the 4 if Olynyk is getting taken advantage of. Its a reason why they Heat need to find a solution.Feel_the_Heat15 wrote:twix2500 wrote:Why are we having Leonard defending PFs?
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Why does Olynyk defend PFs?
Why does Zach Collins defend PFs?
Why does Lauri Markkanen defend PFs?
Why does John Collins defend PFs?
Non-rim protecting, tall, big men tend to defend PFs instead of centers. This doesn't apply to Zach Collins but he's tall and his ideal position is PF.
Putting in Leonard just makes it worse. Leonard is slower, less mobile than Olynyk. Olynyk is mobile enough to get away playin the baseline in the 2-3 zone set. Olynyk is primarily in the game for his offense (shooting and passing). If you trying to add Leonard to the rotation and have him play 4 that means the Heat will play more zone, which I highly doubt they want to do.
Ideally what the Heat tries to do is get centers to defend Olynyk, to pull a shot blocker out the paint. It hasn't worked (also because Bam hasnt expanded his offense), one of the reason the Heat has had one of the worse offenses in the league. They are trying to cause mismatches but it doesn't happen.
If Leonard is added as playing partner to Bam, you will want Bam defending the four and Leonard at center, rather it be zone or man. But from what I have seen of Leonard he sucks at defending centers as well. He hasn't been a player who knew how to utilize his size. Leonard will likely be a tenth thru thirteenth man. The main 3-4 spot rotation will likely be JJ, Bam and Olynyk.
Early on, Leonard will get a chance to prove himself, but I wouldn't bet my money on him. If anything I expect Okpala to get in the rotation before Leonard, with JJ playing the 5 some.
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Feel_the_Heat15 wrote:
Why do we keep talking about one side of the ball? Leonard was starting for the Blazers in the playoffs and now he's a 10th-13th man? His defense sucks, I get that but his offense makes him a serviceable player. Why would Leonard defend centers when he's not a rim protector while Adebayo is?
After not playing in Game 1, Leonard saw 17 minutes in Game 2, posting seven points, six boards and two assists in 17 minutes. In looking for a change of pace, coach Terry Stotts will opt to start Leonard over Enes Kanter.
Feel_the_Heat15 wrote:I doubt that the Heat are trying to cause mismatches with Olynyk. Adebayo has the skill-set of a center so it only makes sense to have a center defend him.
I still don't understand why with Adebayo and Leonard on the court, we'd be better off having Leonard defend the centers when Adebayo is much more capable of being a rim-protector.
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AirP. wrote:Feel_the_Heat15 wrote:
Why do we keep talking about one side of the ball? Leonard was starting for the Blazers in the playoffs and now he's a 10th-13th man? His defense sucks, I get that but his offense makes him a serviceable player. Why would Leonard defend centers when he's not a rim protector while Adebayo is?
Leonard got 2 starts in the playoffs, cool, let's look at the context...
Leonard had 5 DNPs in 16 of Portland's playoff games this season.
The games before the 2 starts, Leonard averaged 11 minutes a game in 9 playoff games.
The staring center(Nurkic) was out for the season.
The playoff starter(Kanter) who they picked up mid season for the vet minimum and was injured was starting before Leonard.
In the 2 games Leonard started, he played 71 minutes, had 46 points, 15 rebounds, was -17 in a game they lost by 11 and -7 in a game they lost by 2.After not playing in Game 1, Leonard saw 17 minutes in Game 2, posting seven points, six boards and two assists in 17 minutes. In looking for a change of pace, coach Terry Stotts will opt to start Leonard over Enes Kanter.
https://www.cbssports.com/fantasy/basketball/news/trail-blazers-meyers-leonard-starting-for-game-3/Feel_the_Heat15 wrote:I doubt that the Heat are trying to cause mismatches with Olynyk. Adebayo has the skill-set of a center so it only makes sense to have a center defend him.
I still don't understand why with Adebayo and Leonard on the court, we'd be better off having Leonard defend the centers when Adebayo is much more capable of being a rim-protector.
It's because you don't want Leonard on the court unless he has a favorable matchup at CENTER and he can't guard PFs at an NBA level.
It's interesting that just because Leonard can shoot open 3s everything else should be ignored.
Feel_the_Heat15 wrote:AirP. wrote:Feel_the_Heat15 wrote:
Why do we keep talking about one side of the ball? Leonard was starting for the Blazers in the playoffs and now he's a 10th-13th man? His defense sucks, I get that but his offense makes him a serviceable player. Why would Leonard defend centers when he's not a rim protector while Adebayo is?
Leonard got 2 starts in the playoffs, cool, let's look at the context...
Leonard had 5 DNPs in 16 of Portland's playoff games this season.
The games before the 2 starts, Leonard averaged 11 minutes a game in 9 playoff games.
The staring center(Nurkic) was out for the season.
The playoff starter(Kanter) who they picked up mid season for the vet minimum and was injured was starting before Leonard.
In the 2 games Leonard started, he played 71 minutes, had 46 points, 15 rebounds, was -17 in a game they lost by 11 and -7 in a game they lost by 2.After not playing in Game 1, Leonard saw 17 minutes in Game 2, posting seven points, six boards and two assists in 17 minutes. In looking for a change of pace, coach Terry Stotts will opt to start Leonard over Enes Kanter.
https://www.cbssports.com/fantasy/basketball/news/trail-blazers-meyers-leonard-starting-for-game-3/Feel_the_Heat15 wrote:I doubt that the Heat are trying to cause mismatches with Olynyk. Adebayo has the skill-set of a center so it only makes sense to have a center defend him.
I still don't understand why with Adebayo and Leonard on the court, we'd be better off having Leonard defend the centers when Adebayo is much more capable of being a rim-protector.
It's because you don't want Leonard on the court unless he has a favorable matchup at CENTER and he can't guard PFs at an NBA level.
It's interesting that just because Leonard can shoot open 3s everything else should be ignored.
What happens if Leonard gets on the court though? Stop trying to change the scenario. You keep presenting information that would only strengthen your argument if we had a better player than Leonard to play at either front-court position. Unless you think JJ is going to do better than Leonard, Leonard is getting minutes.
AirP. wrote:Feel_the_Heat15 wrote:AirP. wrote:
Leonard got 2 starts in the playoffs, cool, let's look at the context...
Leonard had 5 DNPs in 16 of Portland's playoff games this season.
The games before the 2 starts, Leonard averaged 11 minutes a game in 9 playoff games.
The staring center(Nurkic) was out for the season.
The playoff starter(Kanter) who they picked up mid season for the vet minimum and was injured was starting before Leonard.
In the 2 games Leonard started, he played 71 minutes, had 46 points, 15 rebounds, was -17 in a game they lost by 11 and -7 in a game they lost by 2.
https://www.cbssports.com/fantasy/basketball/news/trail-blazers-meyers-leonard-starting-for-game-3/
It's because you don't want Leonard on the court unless he has a favorable matchup at CENTER and he can't guard PFs at an NBA level.
It's interesting that just because Leonard can shoot open 3s everything else should be ignored.
What happens if Leonard gets on the court though? Stop trying to change the scenario. You keep presenting information that would only strengthen your argument if we had a better player than Leonard to play at either front-court position. Unless you think JJ is going to do better than Leonard, Leonard is getting minutes.
I never said he wouldn't get minutes, I was countering you advocating him to be a starter. I wouldn't be surprised if he's not on the roster opening day, he's got a nice movable contract which will be very useful once he's able to be packaged with other players(in about 5 weeks).
BTW, I think JJ can be a solid rotation player, Leonard is more of a speciality player depending on the matchup, wish he was a better defender, it would make him a lot more money in the future.
Feel_the_Heat15 wrote:AirP. wrote:Feel_the_Heat15 wrote:
What happens if Leonard gets on the court though? Stop trying to change the scenario. You keep presenting information that would only strengthen your argument if we had a better player than Leonard to play at either front-court position. Unless you think JJ is going to do better than Leonard, Leonard is getting minutes.
I never said he wouldn't get minutes, I was countering you advocating him to be a starter. I wouldn't be surprised if he's not on the roster opening day, he's got a nice movable contract which will be very useful once he's able to be packaged with other players(in about 5 weeks).
BTW, I think JJ can be a solid rotation player, Leonard is more of a speciality player depending on the matchup, wish he was a better defender, it would make him a lot more money in the future.
You said,"you don't want Leonard on the court unless he has a favorable matchup at CENTER". That sounds like you think he should average like 7 minutes per game, otherwise why would Leonard be better off playing center off the bench than PF in the starting lineup?
Feel_the_Heat15 wrote:AirP. wrote:Feel_the_Heat15 wrote:
What happens if Leonard gets on the court though? Stop trying to change the scenario. You keep presenting information that would only strengthen your argument if we had a better player than Leonard to play at either front-court position. Unless you think JJ is going to do better than Leonard, Leonard is getting minutes.
I never said he wouldn't get minutes, I was countering you advocating him to be a starter. I wouldn't be surprised if he's not on the roster opening day, he's got a nice movable contract which will be very useful once he's able to be packaged with other players(in about 5 weeks).
BTW, I think JJ can be a solid rotation player, Leonard is more of a specialty player depending on the matchup, wish he was a better defender, it would make him a lot more money in the future.
You said,"you don't want Leonard on the court unless he has a favorable matchup at CENTER". That sounds like you think he should average like 7 minutes per game, otherwise, why would Leonard be better off playing center off the bench than PF in the starting lineup?
twix2500 wrote:Feel_the_Heat15 wrote:AirP. wrote:
I never said he wouldn't get minutes, I was countering you advocating him to be a starter. I wouldn't be surprised if he's not on the roster opening day, he's got a nice movable contract which will be very useful once he's able to be packaged with other players(in about 5 weeks).
BTW, I think JJ can be a solid rotation player, Leonard is more of a speciality player depending on the matchup, wish he was a better defender, it would make him a lot more money in the future.
You said,"you don't want Leonard on the court unless he has a favorable matchup at CENTER". That sounds like you think he should average like 7 minutes per game, otherwise why would Leonard be better off playing center off the bench than PF in the starting lineup?
Feel the Heat, what do you value in Leonard? Make your case for him to be an important rotation player.
Wiltside wrote:JJ is a better player than Leonard. I don't even know if that's really debatable tbh...he's just flat out better.
I really don't see that being an either/or scenario though. I just assumed JJ would be at the 4 and Leonard at the 5. If that's the case though, we need DJJ at the 3 as he's a better rebounder than probably either of those guys.
eddieheatfan wrote:Wiltside wrote:JJ is a better player than Leonard. I don't even know if that's really debatable tbh...he's just flat out better.
I really don't see that being an either/or scenario though. I just assumed JJ would be at the 4 and Leonard at the 5. If that's the case though, we need DJJ at the 3 as he's a better rebounder than probably either of those guys.
https://www.basketball-reference.com/players/j/johnsja01.html
vs
https://www.basketball-reference.com/players/l/leoname01.html
you are correct JJ is a slightly better player
Feel_the_Heat15 wrote:twix2500 wrote:Feel_the_Heat15 wrote:
You said,"you don't want Leonard on the court unless he has a favorable matchup at CENTER". That sounds like you think he should average like 7 minutes per game, otherwise why would Leonard be better off playing center off the bench than PF in the starting lineup?
Feel the Heat, what do you value in Leonard? Make your case for him to be an important rotation player.
If you think Johnson will be a better player than Leonard there's nothing else I can say. This is like asking why we should play Beno a few years ago. We don't have JaVale McGee on the roster.