MIAMI HEAT Offseason Thread 2021

[Kobewade11]

Joe Harris is not making 19 a year. He is making 16 this year and next year and 19 two years later in 2023-24. By then which will be equivalent to making 12 mill now.

Semantics. His contract averages 18.75 a year, Duncan is in the ballpark for that.

Its not semantics. 20 is not 19 per year, 19 is not 18 per year and 18 is not 16 per year. As years go by that number becomes less of a affect on the cap because the cap rises. By 2024 are stars gonna be getting paid 50 mill per yr.

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19-20 give me a **** break twix. You dont pay DUNCAN ROBINSON that much.

[TroubleS0me]

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[MettaWorldPanda]

Duncan is not blocking Herro.

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Duncan is the starting two guard. He’s blocking Herro and even more if you go long term paying him starters money. Herro is not a PG

He only the starter because Herro not ready to start. There no obligation to start Robinson. When Herro ready he will start over Robinson. He might start next season. Robinson is not stunting anything.

Happy Father's Day by the way

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Happy Father’s Day to you too buddy

[twix2500]

Semantics. His contract averages 18.75 a year, Duncan is in the ballpark for that.

Its not semantics. 20 is not 19 per year, 19 is not 18 per year and 18 is not 16 per year. As years go by that number becomes less of a affect on the cap because the cap rises. By 2024 are stars gonna be getting paid 50 mill per yr.

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19-20 give me a **** break twix. You dont pay DUNCAN ROBINSON that much.

In 2024 The MLE will be 15 mill per year.

[MettaWorldPanda]

One team that might aggressively go after Duncan is the San Antonio Spurs. They respect the culture and would be a prime team in need of shooting who has cap space that will make a decent offer for him.

[eddieheatfan]

https://www.cbssports.com/nba/news/heats-duncan-robinson-could-get-deal-worth-20m-per-year-as-restricted-free-agent-this-offseason-per-report/

from the article:


Now, here's where things get interesting. In order for the Heat to keep their match rights, they must keep Robinson's cap hold on the books. Right now, that cap hold is tiny because of Robinson's modest salary. Even after he hit the starter criteria for a restricted free agent, his cap hold went up to only around $4.7 million. That charge essentially represents how much he will count against Miami's cap until he signs a new contract, and the fact that it is as small as it is will help the Heat open up a significant amount of cap space. Most projections have them between $20 million-$25 million in space this offseason, provided they decline team options on several players and renounce their other free agents.

However, if a team signs Robinson to an offer sheet early enough in free agency, it puts a ticking clock on Miami's cap space. If the Heat match the offer sheet, Robinson's new salary replaces his cap hold, and therefore cuts into Miami's cap space. If they don't match, they lose him for nothing. In a perfect world for the Heat, that isn't a decision that they'll have to make. They would probably like to spend their cap space with Robinson's low cap hold on the books and then re-sign him to a new deal afterward that pays him market value.

But opposing teams know this, and realize that their best chance at stealing Robinson away might be to make him an enormous offer early in free agency in the hopes that they can force Miami into letting him go for the sake of its cap space. Giving Robinson an enormous salary -- say, something in the $20 million per year range -- would only make the decision harder for the Heat.


great find,lets see what the heat does

[twix2500]

Okay I will let you guys panic about Robinson getting 20 plus mill. I do not think that will happen, I am expecting 15 mill per, which is good for him. He was a vital part of the team success for the past two years. It will make him EASIER to trade in a package deal. If you can find a Seth Curry for 8 mill or find another Duncan Robinson on a two-way, then do it. He is not blocking any blessing from the Heat, he is not making Herro getting ripped at mid court or cock blocking Herro from knocking up IG models.

[QUIZ]

Okay I will let you guys panic about Robinson getting 20 plus mill. I do not think that will happen, I am expecting 15 mill per, which is good for him. He was a vital part of the team success for the past two years. It will make him EASIER to trade in a package deal. If you can find a Seth Curry for 8 mill or find another Duncan Robinson on a two-way, then do it. He is not blocking any blessing from the Heat, he is not making Herro getting ripped at mid court or cock blocking Herro from knocking up IG models.

It all depends on if another team wants him tho. You always have to overpay for restricted free agents. Stealing Duncan for 4yr/80mill wouldn’t be an unreasonable offer sheet for another team to give

[HEATVols865]

Duncan is not blocking Herro.

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Duncan is the starting two guard. He’s blocking Herro and even more if you go long term paying him starters money. Herro is not a PG

He only the starter because Herro not ready to start. There no obligation to start Robinson. When Herro ready he will start over Robinson. He might start next season. Robinson is not stunting anything.

Happy Father's Day by the way

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And hence that’s why we shouldn’t pay $20M for a guy coming off the bench


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[MettaWorldPanda]

Any S&T involving Duncan with any team most likely involves us getting a 2nd round pick and a 4.7 million dollar trade exception. Don’t expect players back in return since for S&T’s salaries need to match.

[marson]

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Scary how time really flies.

Still remember when Dwade threw the ball after the buzzer in American Airlines Center.

[Bishop45]

Shoulda' traded the farm for a star last summer, but another learning experience

Letting an asset like Duncan walk for nothing is asset failure on top of everything else

I think they tried to deal Duncan to the Raptors for Lowry but Raps countered with Herro. Raps did not want to deal with having to overpay Duncan either.

Star, not Lowry, but yea' that was possible

[HeatIn5]

You spend on big money on creators, on versatile 2 way stars, then and only then you try to add best role player shooter avaiable.

Robinson is not keeping the Heat from adding a third star. He is actually an asset to getting one

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He WAS an asset. Not at 17-20M he's not.

[twix2500]

You spend on big money on creators, on versatile 2 way stars, then and only then you try to add best role player shooter avaiable.

Robinson is not keeping the Heat from adding a third star. He is actually an asset to getting one

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He WAS an asset. Not at 17-20M he's not.

Actually he will be more of an asset. Easier to trade him at 15-20 than league min if you trying to trade him for a star. Prior to you had to trade him along with unwanted assets fillers. And you don't have to deplete your roster with him. If the market for him is15-20 than thats what his value is.

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[twix2500]

The only problem with having Robinson at 15 to 20 mill per is if he was an asswipe like Whiteside and Waiters or a closet Nazi like Leonard, who can ruin their value. Just cross our fingers he is not. Robinson is better than all of those players and so far a stand up teammate

[Beenie]

The only problem with having Robinson at 15 to 20 mill per is if he was an asswipe like Whiteside and Waiters or a closet Nazi like Leonard, who can ruin their value. Just cross our fingers he is not. Robinson is better than all of those players and so far a stand up teammate

The fact that he often has been unplayable at the end of games, or his terrible defense which he overcompensates for by committing a bunch of unnecessary fouls that often puts him into foul trouble doesn’t make you flinch a little when it comes to those high contractual numbers?

[MettaWorldPanda]

Lots of Dinwiddie chatter today on heat twit. Brooklyn seems like an obvious S&T candidate with limited avenues to add players. Would anyone be opposed to a Dragic and Okpala package for Dinwiddie giving him a deal in the low 20’s? Brooklyn gets a vet PG for Kyrie insurance without long term commitment to Dinwiddie. Dragic and Nash reunion?

[Beenie]

Lots of Dinwiddie chatter today on heat twit. Brooklyn seems like an obvious S&T candidate with limited avenues to add players. Would anyone be opposed to a Dragic and Okpala package for Dinwiddie giving him a deal in the low 20’s? Brooklyn gets a vet PG for Kyrie insurance without long term commitment to Dinwiddie. Dragic and Nash reunion?

I'm a Dinwiddie proponent for this team.

He can carry an offense for stretches. I also think that he'll improve his 3 point% which age.

I wonder if either Nunn or Oladipo in a double S&T would pique Brkn's interest.

Regarding a Dragic swap, I'd prefer not to move Goran in this deal.

I'd rather package him and Iggie and take a bigger swing.

[Sgt P]

Reggie Jackson is a good target.

[Dr_Heat]

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These is the type of target we should be striving for. A whale, dragic knew it and no one listened to him. Oof