Miami Heat Regular Season Thread 6.0 -Everything's Gonna Be All Wright

[RexBoyWonder]

Im desperate enough to think the Trea Young idea is intersting.

1. He's young.
2. He can help us not suck on offense.

I hate his styl of play but he;d be the most modern effective scorer we had in a while.

Maybe surround him with defenders and size?

I'm desperate for a star man, Jimmy getting tired of carrying.

[eddieheatfan]

Im desperate enough to think the Trea Young idea is intersting.

1. He's young.
2. He can help us not suck on offense.

I hate his styl of play but he;d be the most modern effective scorer we had in a while.

Maybe surround him with defenders and size?

I'm desperate for a star man, Jimmy getting tired of carrying.

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[3ammy3uck3ts]

Im desperate enough to think the Trea Young idea is intersting.

1. He's young.
2. He can help us not suck on offense.

I hate his styl of play but he;d be the most modern effective scorer we had in a while.

Maybe surround him with defenders and size?

I'm desperate for a star man, Jimmy getting tired of carrying.

I’m getting tired of waiting for Jimmy to carry tbh

[dubasilva]

Im over the Dame thing.

Too little too late, and too old. that dream is gone.

Maybe sell the farm for D.Mitchell and pray he holds up.

Me 2

[Daffy]

We just need an offensive engine. When was the last time we seen one of our players scored 40 in the reg season.

Edit**

After looking it up it was Herro last year, but even so Herro isn't an engine on offense to lead you in the post season.

[AirP.]

Apologies for stressing the logic based on facts that exist in your mind

In my mind? I think it's logical to say they brought Robinson back while he wasn't 100% with a few weeks left in the season so why did they do that and give Herro extra time off to give him a mini off-season? It's seeming beyond ridiculous to treat two important players extremely different bringing them back from injuries near the end of the year. Sure, they're not "facts" for sure but logically that's what happened unless you'd like to explain why they brought Robinson back while obvious still hurt a few games (and now out again after bad performances) before they brought Herro back.

I have no true insight into the specifics of each of their injuries or the medical guidance given for each.

I also question the conspiracy theory that they gamed Herro and Duncan's injury timelines specifically to stroke Herro's ego while simultaneously posturing to bring him off the bench.

A whole lot of fans (including myself) filling the voids in information and time going on here. But, hey let's get "beyond ridiculous" and talk logic based on all of this.

How many "starters" that miss a bunch of time come off the bench when they get back? Would Bam, because he didn't, how about Butler, nope but Herro who had been starting the last 1 1/2 seasons misses time and comes back off the bench and plays 25 minutes, 31 minutes and his 3rd game... with Duncan unable to play Herro in his 3rd game back from this mini off-season plays nearly 48 minutes. See, this right here doesn't make sense either if he's being ramped up but in his 3rd game plays almost 48 minutes.

It's odd how you can't see what was happening here, why wouldn't Miami just start Herro to get everyone acclimated as soon as they could with the "regular" rotation with, so few games left in the season before the playoffs started unless they were trying to change the rotation. Nothing else makes sense based on how Miami has handled most it's starters the 5 years I've been watching this franchise.

[AirP.]

Was just reminded from an ESPN story... Jamal Cain is ineligible for another 2-way contract, either Miami signs him or he can go elsewhere.

Here's the ESPN story of the offseason and important NBA dates like...

June 26-27 - NBA Draft.
July 12-22 - Las Vegas Summer League.
August 31st - Last day to use the waive-and-stretch provision.
October 1st - Training camp starts.
October 22nd - Regular season starts.

https://www.espn.com/nba/story/_/id/39867627/nba-offseason-2024-schedule-deadlines-contract-details-all-30-teams

[Lennyzinho]

We just need an offensive engine. When was the last time we seen one of our players scored 40 in the reg season.

Edit**

After looking it up it was Herro last year, but even so Herro isn't an engine on offense to lead you in the post season.

With Herro I think it's more about usage and shots than it is on him. He's taking 14.5 shots a game in April. That's a full 5-6 shots less than guys like Booker or Curry which float more around the 18-20 per game. Herro has been MUCH better at attacking the rim, pressuring the defense and getting to the FT line. I think these last few weeks are maybe the most consistent he's been about getting to the rim and drawing FT's in his whole career, although of course it's a small sample size. It increases his eFG% and helps him increase his ppg 3-4 pts without taking more shots on the stat sheet.

Spoilers for some stats and nerd comps to Booker.

Spoiler:

Taking his 3 last seasons (21-22, 22-23 and current year 23-24) into consideration, his turnovers are trending down, his assists up, rebounding still strong for a combo type guard, his 3PT and FT remaining strong. His issue this year was that he was taking too much mid-range stuff and his FG% was a career low and he was taking no free throws (trending down). He has brought his FG% up, which is 2nd in the 5 years he's been in the league at 44.1% (career 44%) and his FT's are way up. He's a career 2.6 FT shooter per game, in 6 games in April it's been 5.3. And as mentioned, it's during a time in the league when they've had refs swallow the whistle, which is even more impressive. The next step for Tyler is getting his FT numbers up and improving his FG%. It's been 47% in April.

If tyler can shoot in the 46-47%, while keeping his 3pt at his career avg of 38.5% and FT 87.2% and increase his FT's on average by 2-3 a game (basically what he's doing in April since coming back), Herro can easily be a 24-25ppg and break this pleateau of 20ppg he's been on the last few years.

FWIW booker is a career 46.4 FG% / 35.7% 3PT and 87% FT guy. So the formula is there for Herro to establish himself as a top 50 type of player. Not saying he will ever be as dynamic or as good as Booker who's an all nba type of guy. But Herro can be a top 30-50 type player, and the engine of a good offense. We just need Jimmy to stop demanding the ball at the end of quarters to shoot terrible shots and let Herro cook. Either embrace Herro and his potential and see what we have in him or trade him, imo. This weird like, 'We believe in Herro!' but also the "let's give regular season Jimmy all the plays and the ball when he wants and shoot all our free throws" doesn't work for me. Especially this year when he's just looked off af

[twix2500]

For Lillard to get to Miami it's going to be a 3+ team trade since neither Miami nor Milwaukee can take in more money than they send out and Milwaukee doesn't have much left in assets so it would be up to Miami to entice additional teams to take on salary for them, so to get Lillard to Miami not only are you having to trade assets to get Lillard, you're sending out additional assets to get other teams to take on more salary (maybe a lot more salary). I don't see it happening since Miami sent out a 1st for Rozier, it would really be stupid to send out a 1st for 1/2 a season of Rozier and then trade him and more assets for the chance to acquire Lillard.

What I see is Miami unloading one or both of Robinson and/or Herro to save money, get out of the tax and possibly get some assts/value contract rotation player(s). I expect Miami fans won't be happy with the moves Miami makes this summer, I believe they will look towards internal development of Jovic and Jaquez Jr to help keep moving forward with the Butler, Bam, Martin (resigned) and Rozier build.

We’ll see, the 1st they traded for Terry likely would’ve been sent for Lillard so I don’t think they’ll care either way.

And you think Milwaukee will want Rozier? I'm not too sure Milwaukee would want to stay in the tax or in the 2nd apron to downgrade to Rozier and add another player Miami has available to trade even if it's Herro or Robinson or whoever, but you still have to get close to matching salaries as Miami will have to also offload salaries to a 3rd and possibly 4th team. I would think Milwaukee would want assets to allow them to go out and pick what other players they trade for vs getting the prize that is Terry Rozier.

If Lillard is moved somewhere else he doesn't like, I'll feel bad for the guy, he was so loyal to Portland till Portland's FO wasn't loyal to him. Now he may end just being a possible negative/bad contract that keeps getting tossed around in the NBA like CP3 has been vs having the respect of his former organization to send him somewhere he felt he wouldn't get jettisoned around the NBA. These kinds of situations have turned my favoritism towards the players vs organizations.

Dame and Giannis was supposed to dominate the league.

This room said Durant, Booker and Beal was gonna run the league

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[greg4012]

In my mind? I think it's logical to say they brought Robinson back while he wasn't 100% with a few weeks left in the season so why did they do that and give Herro extra time off to give him a mini off-season? It's seeming beyond ridiculous to treat two important players extremely different bringing them back from injuries near the end of the year. Sure, they're not "facts" for sure but logically that's what happened unless you'd like to explain why they brought Robinson back while obvious still hurt a few games (and now out again after bad performances) before they brought Herro back.

I have no true insight into the specifics of each of their injuries or the medical guidance given for each.

I also question the conspiracy theory that they gamed Herro and Duncan's injury timelines specifically to stroke Herro's ego while simultaneously posturing to bring him off the bench.

A whole lot of fans (including myself) filling the voids in information and time going on here. But, hey let's get "beyond ridiculous" and talk logic based on all of this.

How many "starters" that miss a bunch of time come off the bench when they get back? Would Bam, because he didn't, how about Butler, nope but Herro who had been starting the last 1 1/2 seasons misses time and comes back off the bench and plays 25 minutes, 31 minutes and his 3rd game... with Duncan unable to play Herro in his 3rd game back from this mini off-season plays nearly 48 minutes. See, this right here doesn't make sense either if he's being ramped up but in his 3rd game plays almost 48 minutes.

It's odd how you can't see what was happening here, why wouldn't Miami just start Herro to get everyone acclimated as soon as they could with the "regular" rotation with, so few games left in the season before the playoffs started unless they were trying to change the rotation. Nothing else makes sense based on how Miami has handled most it's starters the 5 years I've been watching this franchise.

Back to speculation as facts. Wow that was fast.

The immediacy with which you discard everything else as not making sense (under the guise of "logic") is something. Is it possible some things aren't singular? Confirmation bias is a hell of a drug.

Have at it, though. We might need some good fan fiction around here since ICC lost his nuggets.

[MettaWorldPanda]

Im desperate enough to think the Trea Young idea is intersting.

1. He's young.
2. He can help us not suck on offense.

I hate his styl of play but he;d be the most modern effective scorer we had in a while.

Maybe surround him with defenders and size?

I'm desperate for a star man, Jimmy getting tired of carrying.

My question is why the Hawks would even entertain the idea of trading him to a division rival. Have to think they are a ton of teams in the west they are going to want to check in on first while having the Heat in the very back end of any type of dealings. Especially considering our very meager asset pool

[IceColdCubano]

No to Trey Young, small guards with no defense weve seen it over and over again. Why do we need to continue to see it, they are not that prominent in being able to control the game unless your name is Steph Curry literary the only exemption, and to a smaller degree Jalen Brunson has also started his trajectory to overcoming this flaw. Trey has not shown the ability to break this wall unfortunately. Also on those of us wanting to be back on the Damien Lillard hype train please don't. Were now one more season into his drop, he is getting older, their not much left there to squize out. This was the year you could have maybe done something with him, Both him and Jimmy are gonna start that downward spiral here pretty fast and steep.

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[3ammy3uck3ts]

We just need an offensive engine. When was the last time we seen one of our players scored 40 in the reg season.

Edit**

After looking it up it was Herro last year, but even so Herro isn't an engine on offense to lead you in the post season.

With Herro I think it's more about usage and shots than it is on him. He's taking 14.5 shots a game in April. That's a full 5-6 shots less than guys like Booker or Curry which float more around the 18-20 per game. Herro has been MUCH better at attacking the rim, pressuring the defense and getting to the FT line. I think these last few weeks are maybe the most consistent he's been about getting to the rim and drawing FT's in his whole career, although of course it's a small sample size. It increases his eFG% and helps him increase his ppg 3-4 pts without taking more shots on the stat sheet.

Spoilers for some stats and nerd comps to Booker.

Spoiler:

Taking his 3 last seasons (21-22, 22-23 and current year 23-24) into consideration, his turnovers are trending down, his assists up, rebounding still strong for a combo type guard, his 3PT and FT remaining strong. His issue this year was that he was taking too much mid-range stuff and his FG% was a career low and he was taking no free throws (trending down). He has brought his FG% up, which is 2nd in the 5 years he's been in the league at 44.1% (career 44%) and his FT's are way up. He's a career 2.6 FT shooter per game, in 6 games in April it's been 5.3. And as mentioned, it's during a time in the league when they've had refs swallow the whistle, which is even more impressive. The next step for Tyler is getting his FT numbers up and improving his FG%. It's been 47% in April.

If tyler can shoot in the 46-47%, while keeping his 3pt at his career avg of 38.5% and FT 87.2% and increase his FT's on average by 2-3 a game (basically what he's doing in April since coming back), Herro can easily be a 24-25ppg and break this pleateau of 20ppg he's been on the last few years.

FWIW booker is a career 46.4 FG% / 35.7% 3PT and 87% FT guy. So the formula is there for Herro to establish himself as a top 50 type of player. Not saying he will ever be as dynamic or as good as Booker who's an all nba type of guy. But Herro can be a top 30-50 type player, and the engine of a good offense. We just need Jimmy to stop demanding the ball at the end of quarters to shoot terrible shots and let Herro cook. Either embrace Herro and his potential and see what we have in him or trade him, imo. This weird like, 'We believe in Herro!' but also the "let's give regular season Jimmy all the plays and the ball when he wants and shoot all our free throws" doesn't work for me. Especially this year when he's just looked off af

He was averaging like 21 on 18 shots, for a guy who’s paid to score that’s pretty mediocre.

[3ammy3uck3ts]

Not saying it even has a possibility of happening but saying no to Trae is fuxkin hilarious

[3ammy3uck3ts]

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Been out for an hour but no love for the franchise cornerstone on here?!?! Can’t say I’m surprised tbh

[iamoti]

Imagine we pull off another miracle run to the finals with Jimmy as the front man. The league will be im shambles.

I'm not betting against Jimmy. Take us home!

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[3ammy3uck3ts]

Imagine we pull off another miracle run to the finals with Jimmy as the front man. The league will be im shambles.

I'm not betting against Jimmy. Take us home!

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Then they lose in the finals surrounded by bums and the narratives on here will be “see Jimmy just can’t be the best player on a championship team, Bam can’t be your 2nd best player he only averages 20 PPG, and Spo sucks!!”

Honestly not sure if I prefer another run that we would’ve won had the FO got Jimmy and Bam their 3rd guy or if we should just get smacked and put ourselves out of our misery

[DayofMourning]

Imagine we pull off another miracle run to the finals with Jimmy as the front man. The league will be im shambles.

I'm not betting against Jimmy. Take us home!

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Winning a chip with this team would be super special. I feel like we upgraded the roster a lot this year but were cursed with so many injuries. Im here for it. Lets go Heat!

[AirP.]

I have no true insight into the specifics of each of their injuries or the medical guidance given for each.

I also question the conspiracy theory that they gamed Herro and Duncan's injury timelines specifically to stroke Herro's ego while simultaneously posturing to bring him off the bench.

A whole lot of fans (including myself) filling the voids in information and time going on here. But, hey let's get "beyond ridiculous" and talk logic based on all of this.

How many "starters" that miss a bunch of time come off the bench when they get back? Would Bam, because he didn't, how about Butler, nope but Herro who had been starting the last 1 1/2 seasons misses time and comes back off the bench and plays 25 minutes, 31 minutes and his 3rd game... with Duncan unable to play Herro in his 3rd game back from this mini off-season plays nearly 48 minutes. See, this right here doesn't make sense either if he's being ramped up but in his 3rd game plays almost 48 minutes.

It's odd how you can't see what was happening here, why wouldn't Miami just start Herro to get everyone acclimated as soon as they could with the "regular" rotation with, so few games left in the season before the playoffs started unless they were trying to change the rotation. Nothing else makes sense based on how Miami has handled most it's starters the 5 years I've been watching this franchise.

Back to speculation as facts. Wow that was fast.

The immediacy with which you discard everything else as not making sense (under the guise of "logic") is something. Is it possible some things aren't singular? Confirmation bias is a hell of a drug.

Have at it, though. We might need some good fan fiction around here since ICC lost his nuggets.

Wait, you're saying I'm writing fan fiction when you wrote that a healthy Herro didn't come back to a team fighting to get out of the play-in, were down bodies so much they started newly acquired bench warmer Patty Mills because the Heat wanted to have Herro go through a mini off-season at near the end of the season to what ramp him up slowly. That seems like an odd thing to say because Miami said screw that plan when he played nearly 48 minutes back his 3rd game back.

I understand what I'm saying is just a theory since I have no inside sources but at least there's a lot of information that points to something odd occurring than a regular rehab for one of Miami's starters.

1. Herro came back and instead of going back to a starter which he had been doing for 1 1/2 seasons at age 24 now, he got moved to the bench unlike most long-term starters that Miami wanted to get back into the starting lineup.
2. Herro has a large ego and sees himself as someone who should be a star or superstar, so just being demoted would be a large ego hit, being demoted because an injury that he's missed a lot of time is less of an ego hit although probably still an ego hit.
3. Duncan, who has played much better as a starter than a reserve seems like an obvious candidate to switch spots with Herro in the starting lineup which would allow Herro to be the #1 option off the bench.
Starter: 36 games, 14.4 pts, 3 reb, 3.3 ast, .636 TS%, 117 ORTG, 18.7% USG
Reserve: 32 games 11.1 pts, 2 reb, 2.2 ast, .583 TS%, 107 ORTG, 19.4 USG
4. Duncan seemed to get rushed back to start before Herro came back, I say this because Duncan didn't look right when he came back and after 2 games they shut him down again.
5. Miami was hurting so much for 3pt shooting during this extended time of Herro being out that Patty Mills started 5 games for Miami.
6. Robinson goes out and Herro is starting his 3rd game back and plays nearly 48 minutes, why was he brought off the bench in the first place?

What I don't believe is that this was a normal situation for a starter coming back from injury because if it were, Herro would have just gone back to being a starter game 1 back or if they were bringing him back slowly not play huge minutes like he did his 3rd game back.

It's a theory which I think connected a few dots in an odd situation and since Herro did end up starting the first game Duncan went back out and played a ton of minutes, a couple more dots were connected.