Miami Heat 2023 Off-Season Thread 1.0 - Give them Cancun!!!

[Spacely]

It can be agreed on premise, just inked after the July 1st date so the salary's match.

How do you feel about throwing an extra first instead of adding Herro?

Lowry, Robinson, #18 + Future FRP

IMO it all adds up to the same thing. Being able to get Beal for a reduced price is what potentially unlocks having picks (or Herro) available for the second move. Big picture it's likely all about 2 trades involving some combo of Herro, #18, 2 FRPs, Lowry, Duncan, Oladipo to get back Beal (+filler) and a starting PF/C (+filler) that can play with Bam.

People are getting too caught up on the Beal-Herro comparison and inclusion of him in one deal vs the other.

Washington doesn’t have any leverage and should be happy even getting two picks with that massive contract, After that trade it could open up a trade for herro to get another player/depth/starter PF.

[IceColdCubano]

How do you feel about throwing an extra first instead of adding Herro?

Lowry, Robinson, #18 + Future FRP

IMO it all adds up to the same thing. Being able to get Beal for a reduced price is what potentially unlocks having picks (or Herro) available for the second move. Big picture it's likely all about 2 trades involving some combo of Herro, #18, 2 FRPs, Lowry, Duncan, Oladipo to get back Beal (+filler) and a starting PF/C (+filler) that can play with Bam.

People are getting too caught up on the Beal-Herro comparison and inclusion of him in one deal vs the other.

Washington doesn’t have any leverage and should be happy even getting two picks with that massive contract, After that trade it could open up a trade for herro to get another player/depth/starter PF.

Exactly they have to two avenues accept the trade request to the team of choice with a package of choice approved by Beal or don't trade Beal and live with the results of a disgruntled star.

[unowen85]

Wade got injured doing a crossover in 2005 and cost us a trip to Finals. Then dislocated shoulder trying to steal a ball in 2007, basically ending hope of possible repeat. **** happens.

[Flash4thewin]

IMO it all adds up to the same thing. Being able to get Beal for a reduced price is what potentially unlocks having picks (or Herro) available for the second move. Big picture it's likely all about 2 trades involving some combo of Herro, #18, 2 FRPs, Lowry, Duncan, Oladipo to get back Beal (+filler) and a starting PF/C (+filler) that can play with Bam.

People are getting too caught up on the Beal-Herro comparison and inclusion of him in one deal vs the other.

Washington doesn’t have any leverage and should be happy even getting two picks with that massive contract, After that trade it could open up a trade for herro to get another player/depth/starter PF.

Exactly they have to two avenues accept the trade request to the team of choice with a package of choice approved by Beal or don't trade Beal and live with the results of a disgruntled star.

We need to remember we are not the only team on the table. It's not Beal saying I only want Miami, that seems to be a harsh reality check to some of these proposed deals. Beal will name his list of teams, then the Wiz will get take the best deal. That simple.

[AirP.]

I don't mind the hustle. He was just unlucky. It's unfortunate his Heat career ended this way. He can be really really good but he needs a situation where he can play a ton of minutes and work through his mistakes. Miami may not be the best place for that, as we are in win now. Washington would be great for him as he would be lead guard. Blazers they already have so many guards so maybe not there. But by far I prefer Dame over Beal. And I'd rather keep roster as is than take on Beal's contract. Dame is the prize and I hope Herro keeps working in the future proves his doubters wrong

Hustle is great, the point is that it was a low basketball IQ play because there was no way he was getting the ball before Allen , yet he still dove taking himself out of the possession, even had he not broke his hand it was a horrible decision because it gave the Bucks a 4 on 5 they should have capitalized on.

Players dive all the time for balls they may not reach. He got unlucky he got hurt. 98 % of the time the player comes out okay in those situations. If you want to call him a low IQ player for other stuff that's fair but this was just unlucky.

There was 0% chance of him getting that ball without Allen tripping over his own feet.

Please, think of it this way... the chance of getting that ball vs the chance of leaving your team with only 4 defenders vs 5. If it was even NEAR a 50/50 ball ok, but it was basically a ZERO chance play.

[AirP.]

Hustle is great, the point is that it was a low basketball IQ play because there was no way he was getting the ball before Allen , yet he still dove taking himself out of the possession, even had he not broke his hand it was a horrible decision because it gave the Bucks a 4 on 5 they should have capitalized on.

Players dive all the time for balls they may not reach. He got unlucky he got hurt. 98 % of the time the player comes out okay in those situations. If you want to call him a low IQ player for other stuff that's fair but this was just unlucky.

Know your body. Know your frame. McLovin is more likely to break a bone bumping with giants than a NFL TE is.

The injury was just unlucky, there was basically 0% chance of him getting that ball.

[AirP.]

Washington doesn’t have any leverage and should be happy even getting two picks with that massive contract, After that trade it could open up a trade for herro to get another player/depth/starter PF.

Exactly they have to two avenues accept the trade request to the team of choice with a package of choice approved by Beal or don't trade Beal and live with the results of a disgruntled star.

We need to remember we are not the only team on the table. It's not Beal saying I only want Miami, that seems to be a harsh reality check to some of these proposed deals. Beal will name his list of teams, then the Wiz will get take the best deal. That simple.

What? No. Beal actually has to waive his NTC at the time of the trade, list or no list he can ok or veto the trade package when it's sent in. Beal has complete control over what his new team gives up in the trade and why would he want more assets being sent out from the team he's going to?

Washington has to decide what is the minimum they will take back, if they don't move Beal his contract and his play will keep Washington from bottoming out for a top draft pick or having tons of cap space to take on salaries for assets. For Washington to rebuild they got to get rid of Beal and his salary, if they don't, they're stuck with no real chance of becoming good and with Beal a worse value with his age and contract going up. Washington's previous FO screwed the franchise, everyone knew it at the time when the NTC was announced. I actually feel sorry for Washington fans since they're going to get pennies on the dollar for a guy they've loved and is still in his prime, but they can't keep treading water, especially with all the misses they've had in the lottery... J.Davis, the 10th overall pick last year didn't even play 500 minutes while healthy.

This is what happens when franchises make drastic changes in the FO, new directions are taken which creates a lot of bad situations because players who had roles no longer have the same roles and with that, not as good of values moving forward for the franchise. Miami believes in stability and it shows in the quality of the product year after year, no need to tank, just keep moving forward.

[MartyCONLONNN]

Washington doesn’t have any leverage and should be happy even getting two picks with that massive contract, After that trade it could open up a trade for herro to get another player/depth/starter PF.

Exactly they have to two avenues accept the trade request to the team of choice with a package of choice approved by Beal or don't trade Beal and live with the results of a disgruntled star.

We need to remember we are not the only team on the table. It's not Beal saying I only want Miami, that seems to be a harsh reality check to some of these proposed deals. Beal will name his list of teams, then the Wiz will get take the best deal. That simple.

Also Washington has completely new management that doesn't have that same softness or appreciation, softness for Beal. They will work with him. But they can and will also just hold onto him if it's a miserable package that they don't feel is decent value. It would have to reach a point where things got contentious with Beal to just take Lowry Duncan and a 1st or some iteration of that.

I could see them possibly folding before it gets contentious with Beal to not start off on the wrong foot. This is why you don't give NTC you basically give the player all the power.

[RexBoyWonder]

how many new allstars we got already

[AirP.]

Stay away from Towns. I tried to warn Minnesota fans the year and half Butler was with them. Don't be intoxicated with the talent where you ignore the negatives. Towns, HIGHLY TALENTED, just not all that high of BBIQ and cares way too much about his own stats.

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[SoFlaKingReal]

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Same old **** with this diva Beal.

[3ammy3uck3ts]

Wade got injured doing a crossover in 2005 and cost us a trip to Finals. Then dislocated shoulder trying to steal a ball in 2007, basically ending hope of possible repeat. **** happens.

Wade was also better by his 2nd season than Herro will ever be at any point in his career and while getting hurt we already knew he wasn’t a playoff choker. They’re not the same

[AirP.]

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Same old **** with this diva Beal.

No... if Miami tries to lowball Washington too much where Washington ends up saying no and keeps Beal, Beal doesn't want to be seen as the guy who wanted out and have to listen to boos the rest of his time in Washington.

[SoFlaKingReal]

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Same old **** with this diva Beal.

No... if Miami tries to lowball Washington too much where Washington ends up saying no and keeps Beal, Beal doesn't want to be seen as the guy who wanted out and have to listen to boos the rest of his time in Washington.

Exactly....Beal is still playing the same games. Nothing has changed over the last few years to now.

[QUIZ]

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Great interview. Miss him.

First of Dwyane is such a respectable human, we couldn't have chosen a better person to represent this franchise for so many years.

With that said, after watching this I'm confident he will be apart of this franchise in some capacity within the next 3-5 years.

It was a surprisingly in depth interview on really everything from his Heat tenure to his personal life.

While I wished he owned a part of the team, I respect why he had to make the business decision that he did.

[3ammy3uck3ts]

So the Heat are waiting on dame and Beal is trying to force their hand to move quicker it seems

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Same old **** with this diva Beal.

Those quotes from Barry's source certainly do not sound like they are coming from the player's side. That's more team-centric neutral talk.

There's literally been 3-4 reporters that have come out the last 24 hours saying Beal has Miami as his top landing spot.

[KingDavid]

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....Who's the third?

[greg4012]

Barry has found a pressure point for clicks with Beal vs Herro narrative and he's pushing it real good.

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[SoFlaKingReal]

"Beal would welcome trade to Heat if Wizards deal him, but he is not pushing his way to Miami or any specific team. More than a handful of teams interest him. Heat has expressed interest, is monitoring."

Same **** Different Year