Hassan Whiteside: Road To The Max

[Rock Hardy]

So he offers absolutely no impact? Not even rebounding.

Why? Why is he unable to offer any individual impact?

What statistic's are you reffering to, that specifically point to Hassan. Number's say that we're currently better w/o Wade, is he a no-impact player?

48 games in now and here are the new advanced on/off metrics.

We're 3 points BETTER defensively without him, per 100 possessions. The net rating differential is down to 1.5 points, which is a big improvement. He's now a plus player in that regard, at +1.1. However, without him we still play faster, pass more and have a better ast/to ratio. So while we score a few more points with him now, we're a more involved and faster offense without him.

To his credit, the numbers have improved from what I remember them being the last time I looked. But how do you rate his impact when the numbers peg him as a replacement level player? I mean, the drtg continues to baffle me. It just screams empty stats. We don't really need someone getting numbers that make him look better without actually helping the team.

As for rebounds, it's the one area where his contributions are significant. But that's statistical. Those numbers are big on the offensive boards, which might lend to the slight bump in scoring he brings, as well as the slight bump in shooting percentage. But what does that mean for winning games? I'd say next to nothing. We won more games back when we sucked at rebounding. We're still a better team without his mass crashing glass. If we can get better production from our guards, and run a faster offense, I think we're better.

I think Whiteside will get paid this summer. I doubt it will be in Miami, and I don't much care. Our best center is still Bosh, and he's possibly the best small ball center in the league. I'd rather leverage that asset by using that roster spot for someone that fits the roster better.

[Bishop45]

So he offers absolutely no impact? Not even rebounding.

Why? Why is he unable to offer any individual impact?

What statistic's are you reffering to, that specifically point to Hassan. Number's say that we're currently better w/o Wade, is he a no-impact player?

48 games in now and here are the new advanced on/off metrics.

We're 3 points BETTER defensively without him, per 100 possessions. The net rating differential is down to 1.5 points, which is a big improvement. He's now a plus player in that regard, at +1.1. However, without him we still play faster, pass more and have a better ast/to ratio. So while we score a few more points with him now, we're a more involved and faster offense without him.

To his credit, the numbers have improved from what I remember them being the last time I looked. But how do you rate his impact when the numbers peg him as a replacement level player? I mean, the drtg continues to baffle me. It just screams empty stats. We don't really need someone getting numbers that make him look better without actually helping the team.

As for rebounds, it's the one area where his contributions are significant. But that's statistical. Those numbers are big on the offensive boards, which might lend to the slight bump in scoring he brings, as well as the slight bump in shooting percentage. But what does that mean for winning games? I'd say next to nothing. We won more games back when we sucked at rebounding. We're still a better team without his mass crashing glass. If we can get better production from our guards, and run a faster offense, I think we're better.

I think Whiteside will get paid this summer. I doubt it will be in Miami, and I don't much care. Our best center is still Bosh, and he's possibly the best small ball center in the league. I'd rather leverage that asset by using that roster spot for someone that fits the roster better.

Wait... So your claim about us being statistically better without Whiteside actually has nothing to do with statistics? And Wade is obviously oblivious to the matter?

And do you think correlating rebounding to a time where we had top-ten talent in anywhere necessary? Do you think any team that starts a small ball 5 at the 5 consistently, have any chance at a championship? Or are centers just low/no impact players until it matters the most.

[RexBoyWonder]

I'm dying to see Hasasn back on the court so we can see how fits with this faster style we're playing.

End of the day, arguments on both sides are overstated for one simple reason : the game changes in the playoffs. Everything is slowed down. it get more physical. This can work for his advantage because of size and for his disadvantage because playing smart is more crucial.

How he does in The playoffs will play a big role on what we do next.

[3ballbomber]

Can't defend him when he does stuff like this, got to be smart enough to ignore that. Shame, that was the first fan page to show him love

I seriously can't beleive he responded to that. After all the coddling and he still doesn't get it. Why is he giving this crap the time of the day on a 4 game winning streak? And then mentioning the "Heat" as changing the offense. I'm kinda pissed about this. I could only imagine how the front office feels. This is going to catch the headlines in our local sports media now and rest assured they will be questioning Hassan and others players about this tomorrow. Hassan has to be better then this. No need for these types of distractions with the way things are going right now.

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And this is why Hassan still has ways to go in his development as a player. He is still yet to mature. good news is he is in the best place to learn discipline and integrity.

As i've stated numerous times this kid needs to shut his mouth and show and prove on the court. All this other stuff is just straight up worthless sh*t. somebody needs to disconnect his internet.

[3ballbomber]

I'm dying to see Hasasn back on the court so we can see how fits with this faster style we're playing.

End of the day, arguments on both sides are overstated for one simple reason : the game changes in the playoffs. Everything is slowed down. it get more physical. This can work for his advantage because of size and for his disadvantage because playing smart is more crucial.

How he does in The playoffs will play a big role on what we do next.

I think Hassan is the perfect guy for our new fast paced system. He is quick for a big and i think his young legs can run w/ Dragic and the crew. He may even thrive further.


Cats are nuts to think we don't need Hassan. This whole small ball ish is just ridiculous now. A team always needs a big man! The game may have changed but it hasn't completely changed.

[Tony15]

I'm dying to see Hasasn back on the court so we can see how fits with this faster style we're playing.

End of the day, arguments on both sides are overstated for one simple reason : the game changes in the playoffs. Everything is slowed down. it get more physical. This can work for his advantage because of size and for his disadvantage because playing smart is more crucial.

How he does in The playoffs will play a big role on what we do next.

I think Hassan is the perfect guy for our new fast paced system. He is quick for a big and i think his young legs can run w/ Dragic and the crew. He may even thrive further.


Cats are nuts to think we don't need Hassan. This whole small ball ish is just ridiculous now. A team always needs a big man! The game may have changed but it hasn't completely changed.

Alot will argue this, but as a whole I'm with you. Hassan is way too talented to be a hindrance, but you can't deny the facts that Miami's been better statistically without him on the floor on both end, nor can anyone bash quality reporters/journalists for pointing it out. Like I said, if Hassan can buy in and fit the style Miami's been playing of late then he's an asset. I think the biggest disconnect between Heat fans regarding him is the role. He isn't a guy you can dump the ball into and expect any sort of consistency.

[Zasterror]

I can already tell this board is going to be really pleasant when Hassan officially goes into free agency this summer.

Seriously.

I can see both sides of this Hassan argument but at the end of the day we should be enjoying this win-streak and hope that Whiteside brings us into another notch as an overall team when he comes back. If we regress again, then we can make our deliberations there but make it fair; yes there were multiple games where we look otherworldly defensively when Whiteside was on the bench and there were multiple games where we look otherworldly defensively when Whiteside was on the floor. We can't just disregard the good when the bad is blatant. We were all calling Whiteside a godsend a few months ago and throughout the entire 2014-2015 season. Pat Riley and Wade has high hopes for the kid. He just needs to completely buy in. Yes he is portrayed as selfish and doesn't have the intangibles like Amare does, but his youth and talent are undeniable. Why can't we coexist with the fact that there will moments where Whiteside/Amare are needed and other times they don't; the main difference is Amare on a timestamp for the rest of his career, Whtieside isn't. I'm loving what Amare is doing, shutting me the eff up and making me eat a ton of crow, but at the end of the day Amare isn't our starter and arguably shouldn't be anyone's starter. This is one of those situations where we inject something new into the fray with this new arrival of STAT and it's looking great but also, in a fickle manner, downplaying and admonishing the effects of the previous, especially when that previous is down and out with injury.

We have to be objective and real but also fair and concise in our points in our critiques, especially now. If Whiteside is not for us, then he is not for us however time will tell how Whiteside decides to change his mentality.

[jereseja]

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Not only has he earned it, but everybody wants him in there,” Dwyane Wade said of Stoudemire’s candidacy to stay in the rotation long-term. “Everyone’s comfortable with what he brings. We enjoy it.

We always anticipated that he would have a share of something,” Spoelstra said. “Everybody’s going to have to sacrifice. Big picture, particularly when you play in big games, you want to have guys that have a résumé like Amar’e. So we’ll figure that out

Sometimes competition is good, man,” Bosh said. “You never want to be too comfortable and get complacent. That’s when things kinda fall by the wayside and you’re taking it easy. Hopefully he’ll respond a little to it, take some notes and hit the ground running when he gets back.

[insfo]

Sulky Hassan...guaranteed

[Seabass777]

If Hassan can space the floor all the problems will go away

[DeeDub]

I'd give Whiteside the max, if necessary, and devote whatever resources are necessary to try to make that work. If it doesn't, he's still a young, talented and productive 7-footer and you can move him. But we're not getting Durant and I don't think anyone else is a game-changer.

If ever the Heat resign Hassan and productive as you said, Miami will not trade him, unless of course their getting best return for him.

And if Hassan is no longer productive, Miami for sure wants to trade him, but how can you then trade an over paid unproductive player?

I trust Riley's decision on Whiteside. Soon will be revealed!!!

I think he could still be productive, in much the way he is now, and the Heat may still want to trade him in a few years if they want to go in another direction. When Wade is done, if you replace him with a great shooter and find another one at the 3 or 4, then a small-ball/pace lineup with Bosh at the 5, Dragic, great shooters on the wings, a (hopefully improved shooting Winslow), etc. could be very viable. Even t his current production (12/12/4), a Whiteside trade could bring back a very significant asset (or two).

[QUIZ]

If Hassan can space the floor all the problems will go away

Same could be said for Deng.

[MettaWorldPanda]

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I still luv ya big fella. Getcha mind right.

[Rich2Hassan]

Lol, and it continues......... #flavoroftheweek.

[jereseja]

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[Rock Hardy]

So he offers absolutely no impact? Not even rebounding.

Why? Why is he unable to offer any individual impact?

What statistic's are you reffering to, that specifically point to Hassan. Number's say that we're currently better w/o Wade, is he a no-impact player?

48 games in now and here are the new advanced on/off metrics.

We're 3 points BETTER defensively without him, per 100 possessions. The net rating differential is down to 1.5 points, which is a big improvement. He's now a plus player in that regard, at +1.1. However, without him we still play faster, pass more and have a better ast/to ratio. So while we score a few more points with him now, we're a more involved and faster offense without him.

To his credit, the numbers have improved from what I remember them being the last time I looked. But how do you rate his impact when the numbers peg him as a replacement level player? I mean, the drtg continues to baffle me. It just screams empty stats. We don't really need someone getting numbers that make him look better without actually helping the team.

As for rebounds, it's the one area where his contributions are significant. But that's statistical. Those numbers are big on the offensive boards, which might lend to the slight bump in scoring he brings, as well as the slight bump in shooting percentage. But what does that mean for winning games? I'd say next to nothing. We won more games back when we sucked at rebounding. We're still a better team without his mass crashing glass. If we can get better production from our guards, and run a faster offense, I think we're better.

I think Whiteside will get paid this summer. I doubt it will be in Miami, and I don't much care. Our best center is still Bosh, and he's possibly the best small ball center in the league. I'd rather leverage that asset by using that roster spot for someone that fits the roster better.

Wait... So your claim about us being statistically better without Whiteside actually has nothing to do with statistics? And Wade is obviously oblivious to the matter?

And do you think correlating rebounding to a time where we had top-ten talent in anywhere necessary? Do you think any team that starts a small ball 5 at the 5 consistently, have any chance at a championship? Or are centers just low/no impact players until it matters the most.

What are you taking about? The link I provided already shows this. The differential between ortg and drtg is better without him.

Anyway jerseja posted Haberstroh's more detailed critique. There are outlier games skewing the figures. The drtg has been fairly consistent at 102 with him on the court.

[Bishop45]

48 games in now and here are the new advanced on/off metrics.

We're 3 points BETTER defensively without him, per 100 possessions. The net rating differential is down to 1.5 points, which is a big improvement. He's now a plus player in that regard, at +1.1. However, without him we still play faster, pass more and have a better ast/to ratio. So while we score a few more points with him now, we're a more involved and faster offense without him.

To his credit, the numbers have improved from what I remember them being the last time I looked. But how do you rate his impact when the numbers peg him as a replacement level player? I mean, the drtg continues to baffle me. It just screams empty stats. We don't really need someone getting numbers that make him look better without actually helping the team.

As for rebounds, it's the one area where his contributions are significant. But that's statistical. Those numbers are big on the offensive boards, which might lend to the slight bump in scoring he brings, as well as the slight bump in shooting percentage. But what does that mean for winning games? I'd say next to nothing. We won more games back when we sucked at rebounding. We're still a better team without his mass crashing glass. If we can get better production from our guards, and run a faster offense, I think we're better.

I think Whiteside will get paid this summer. I doubt it will be in Miami, and I don't much care. Our best center is still Bosh, and he's possibly the best small ball center in the league. I'd rather leverage that asset by using that roster spot for someone that fits the roster better.

Wait... So your claim about us being statistically better without Whiteside actually has nothing to do with statistics? And Wade is obviously oblivious to the matter?

And do you think correlating rebounding to a time where we had top-ten talent in anywhere necessary? Do you think any team that starts a small ball 5 at the 5 consistently, have any chance at a championship? Or are centers just low/no impact players until it matters the most.

What are you taking about? The link I provided already shows this. The differential between ortg and drtg is better without him.

Anyway jerseja posted Haberstroh's more detailed critique. There are outlier games skewing the figures. The drtg has been fairly consistent at 102 with him on the court.

Haberstroh's numbers were purposely skewed, I'm sure even he knows this. He posted Hassan's on numbers and incidently left off the off numbers... Which were worse without Hassan. He excused Mavs/Wiz for having injuries and persecuted Whiteside's numbers despite the injuries

Pls post the numbers instead of quoting them, you said we are worse w/ Hassan and from your link I see a marginal difference defensively and a up offensively. Says he's a positive net rating, I'm confused to what numbers you're talking about and curious as to why/if these numbers don't apply to Wade's impact

[jereseja]

Who cares about Whitesides numbers but u have only 4 solutions here:
1 Whiteside need to learn how to pass, and be much better with spacing and screening
2 trade Wade,Dragic,Deng for 3 point specialists and u can watch 82 games like yesterday vs Houston
3 pay Whiteside like roll player (which not gonna happen becouse somebody will get him the money)
4 trade Whiteside
For everibody who things that Miami can do something without one of these things happen is delusional
I like these kid from begining and still think he can do much better but is only depence on him .Hes 26 years old and is less mature then 19 years Winslow with 1 year college and half NBA season so odds are not so good but hope dies last.

[3ballbomber]

[tweet]https://twitter.com/JasonLieser/status/694588573043937280[/tweet]

I still luv ya big fella. Getcha mind right.

Better yet....get off social media altogether

[Biscayne Beast]

Of course he is right . The problem is how the hell do you trust someone with a 0-100 type of payday when he seriously has no self control on how to conduct himself in a professional manner? Now our players are going to have to answer media questions tomorrow on if they feel it was necessary for Whiteside to comment on a local dish rag article.

Hassan actually cares about basketball and wants to be the best. He's nothing like Andrew Bynum who only played Basketball because he was tall & gifted. That is why I "trust" him and would give him w.e for him to stay on this team.