Around the NBA streets Vol. 5: ONE MORE TIME

[AirP.]

Embiid watch... I think this is the off-season he may become available. Philly Embiid is just a talented player, in Miami he'd be a talented player pushed by the culture and his teammates, he'd be a MVP candidate every year for the 5-8 years. He's one of the handful of players who can be the best player on the court in ANY playoff series.

Can you formulate a realistic trade that'd get him here?

I just don’t see Embiid and Bam being on the same team. Too much of the cap would be tied to two bigs in a league where one big is often enough.

I think Embiid could push for a trade if the 76ers continue to under perform, especially since Philly fans are demanding. But I do not think it would be a trade to the Heat.

It would cost Bam since you shouldn't play Bam and Embiid together and you have to give up something good/great and I really don't care how much you like Bam, he's not in Embiid's class for potential(Embiid on a team that makes him accountable). I am not comparing Bam vs Philly Embiid, I'm comparing Bam vs Embiid in Miami with a great coach and a culture to push him.

How to build the trade in the offseason is interesting. If there isn't any space available to absorb some of Embiid's salary, you have to get up to 24 million to be in the 125% for the trade. Bam(5.1) and Iggy(15) only gets you to 20.1. If Olynyk opts in you can toss in his 12.1 million which equates to 32.2 mil and Miami would acquire another player like Z.Smith(3.2) or really work it to get Thybulle (which I'd really try to acquire even if you had to expand the trade to include Nunn). I don't move Butler, Herro or Robinson and then I resign Dragic, Crowder and DJJ.

You then move forward with starters in Herro, Robinson, Butler, Crowder, Embiid with Dragic, DJJ, KZ, Silva and possibly Z.Smith to round out the bench. Just image playmakers in Butler and Herro, the 2 man game of Embiid and Robinson, Embiid in the low post with 3pt shooters surrounding the arc and the switch ability on defense with a great sized player to protect the rim and can cover up some of the lacking parameter defenders in Robinson and Herro(making both easier to start). That is a very dangerous championship caliber team. Remember, you have 3 more years with Butler and then it's possible you lose a good/great player for nothing but possibly cap space.

The issue would be making Philly a better team built around Simmons. Philly could possibly would move forward with Nunn, Richardson, Harris, Simmons and Bam with a bench of Horford, Iggy, Scott and Korkmaz. That's a fast team that has 2 unique bigs who are very good passers, one being an elite passer.

Also, Bam is only 3 years younger than Embiid. Once again, there's only a handful of players you'd move Bam for, this would be one of that group.

[DayofMourning]

I just don’t see Embiid and Bam being on the same team. Too much of the cap would be tied to two bigs in a league where one big is often enough.

It would cost Bam since you shouldn't play Bam and Embiid together and you have to give up something good/great and I really don't care how much you like Bam, he's not in Embiid's class for potential(Embiid on a team that makes him accountable). I am not comparing Bam vs Philly Embiid, I'm comparing Bam vs Embiid in Miami with a great coach and a culture to push him.

How to build the trade in the offseason is interesting. If there isn't any space available to absorb some of Embiid's salary, you have to get up to 24 million to be in the 125% for the trade. Bam(5.1) and Iggy(15) only gets you to 20.1. If Olynyk opts in you can toss in his 12.1 million which equates to 32.2 mil and Miami would acquire another player like Z.Smith(3.2) or really work it to get Thybulle (which I'd really try to acquire even if you had to expand the trade to include Nunn). I don't move Butler, Herro or Robinson and then I resign Dragic, Crowder and DJJ.

You then move forward with starters in Herro, Robinson, Butler, Crowder, Embiid with Dragic, DJJ, KZ, Silva and possibly Z.Smith to round out the bench. Just image playmakers in Butler and Herro, the 2 man game of Embiid and Robinson, Embiid in the low post with 3pt shooters surrounding the arc and the switch ability on defense with a great sized player to protect the rim. That is a very dangerous championship caliber team. Remember, you have 3 more years with Butler and then it's possible you lose a good/great player for nothing but possibly cap space.

The issue would be making Philly a better team built around Simmons. Philly could possibly would move forward with Nunn, Richardson, Harris, Simmons and Bam with a bench of Horford, Iggy, Scott and Korkmaz. That's a fast team that has 2 unique bigs who are very good passers, one being an elite passer.

Will start by stating that I don't want to move Bam. I absolutely love drafting a guy, investing in him, and watching them grow into a force. Bam with a jumper becomes a very dangerous player and I love his personality. That means a lot to me.

However, if you trade Bam for Embiid, you are increasing your talent level by a good amount. I've stated before that I think a focused, healthy Embiid might just be the best player in the league. He's huge, with a jumper, and plays both ends of the court. He physically imposes himself on every game. He made Bam wilt earlier this year.

Would you follow that move with another shot at a big time FA this offseason? Would AD and Embiid work?

[AirP.]

Will start by stating that I don't want to move Bam. I absolutely love drafting a guy, investing in him, and watching them grow into a force. Bam with a jumper becomes a very dangerous player and I love his personality. That means a lot to me.

However, if you trade Bam for Embiid, you are increasing your talent level by a good amount. I've stated before that I think a focused, healthy Embiid might just be the best player in the league. He's huge, with a jumper, and plays both ends of the court. He physically imposes himself on every game. He made Bam wilt earlier this year.

Would you follow that move with another shot at a big time FA this offseason? Would AD and Embiid work?

Embiid and AD would work together and it allows AD to not play center(which he still doesn't want to do) not sure either of them would be happy being the lesser featured big. Not sure there's any way to make that happen. Bam and AD would also work together, also if you can get AD maybe you don't need to Bam and would rather have his speed and passing as a big man.

It takes talent to win Championships and in my opinion, if you have both players(Bam and Embiid) maximized, Embiid is still the better player, mostly because of size difference.

[oreon]

Embiid watch... I think this is the off-season he may become available. Philly Embiid is just a talented player, in Miami he'd be a talented player pushed by the culture and his teammates, he'd be a MVP candidate every year for the 5-8 years. He's one of the handful of players who can be the best player on the court in ANY playoff series.

Can you formulate a realistic trade that'd get him here?

I just don’t see Embiid and Bam being on the same team. Too much of the cap would be tied to two bigs in a league where one big is often enough.

I think Embiid could push for a trade if the 76ers continue to under perform, especially since Philly fans are demanding. But I do not think it would be a trade to the Heat.

It would cost Bam since you shouldn't play Bam and Embiid together and you have to give up something good/great and I really don't care how much you like Bam, he's not in Embiid's class for potential(Embiid on a team that makes him accountable). I am not comparing Bam vs Philly Embiid, I'm comparing Bam vs Embiid in Miami with a great coach and a culture to push him.

How to build the trade in the offseason is interesting. If there isn't any space available to absorb some of Embiid's salary, you have to get up to 24 million to be in the 125% for the trade. Bam(5.1) and Iggy(15) only gets you to 20.1. If Olynyk opts in you can toss in his 12.1 million which equates to 32.2 mil and Miami would acquire another player like Z.Smith(3.2) or really work it to get Thybulle (which I'd really try to acquire even if you had to expand the trade to include Nunn). I don't move Butler, Herro or Robinson and then I resign Dragic, Crowder and DJJ.

You then move forward with starters in Herro, Robinson, Butler, Crowder, Embiid with Dragic, DJJ, KZ, Silva and possibly Z.Smith to round out the bench. Just image playmakers in Butler and Herro, the 2 man game of Embiid and Robinson, Embiid in the low post with 3pt shooters surrounding the arc and the switch ability on defense with a great sized player to protect the rim and can cover up some of the lacking parameter defenders in Robinson and Herro(making both easier to start). That is a very dangerous championship caliber team. Remember, you have 3 more years with Butler and then it's possible you lose a good/great player for nothing but possibly cap space.

The issue would be making Philly a better team built around Simmons. Philly could possibly would move forward with Nunn, Richardson, Harris, Simmons and Bam with a bench of Horford, Iggy, Scott and Korkmaz. That's a fast team that has 2 unique bigs who are very good passers, one being an elite passer.

Also, Bam is only 3 years younger than Embiid. Once again, there's only a handful of players you'd move Bam for, this would be one of that group.

Embiid for Bam & Herro is a no brainer if he could stay healthy. He can't. He's like Derrick Rose, you can't risk too much to get him

[HeatFanLifer]

Spoiler:

Can you formulate a realistic trade that'd get him here?

I just don’t see Embiid and Bam being on the same team. Too much of the cap would be tied to two bigs in a league where one big is often enough.

I think Embiid could push for a trade if the 76ers continue to under perform, especially since Philly fans are demanding. But I do not think it would be a trade to the Heat.

It would cost Bam since you shouldn't play Bam and Embiid together and you have to give up something good/great and I really don't care how much you like Bam, he's not in Embiid's class for potential(Embiid on a team that makes him accountable). I am not comparing Bam vs Philly Embiid, I'm comparing Bam vs Embiid in Miami with a great coach and a culture to push him.

How to build the trade in the offseason is interesting. If there isn't any space available to absorb some of Embiid's salary, you have to get up to 24 million to be in the 125% for the trade. Bam(5.1) and Iggy(15) only gets you to 20.1. If Olynyk opts in you can toss in his 12.1 million which equates to 32.2 mil and Miami would acquire another player like Z.Smith(3.2) or really work it to get Thybulle (which I'd really try to acquire even if you had to expand the trade to include Nunn). I don't move Butler, Herro or Robinson and then I resign Dragic, Crowder and DJJ.

You then move forward with starters in Herro, Robinson, Butler, Crowder, Embiid with Dragic, DJJ, KZ, Silva and possibly Z.Smith to round out the bench. Just image playmakers in Butler and Herro, the 2 man game of Embiid and Robinson, Embiid in the low post with 3pt shooters surrounding the arc and the switch ability on defense with a great sized player to protect the rim and can cover up some of the lacking parameter defenders in Robinson and Herro(making both easier to start). That is a very dangerous championship caliber team. Remember, you have 3 more years with Butler and then it's possible you lose a good/great player for nothing but possibly cap space.

The issue would be making Philly a better team built around Simmons. Philly could possibly would move forward with Nunn, Richardson, Harris, Simmons and Bam with a bench of Horford, Iggy, Scott and Korkmaz. That's a fast team that has 2 unique bigs who are very good passers, one being an elite passer.

Also, Bam is only 3 years younger than Embiid. Once again, there's only a handful of players you'd move Bam for, this would be one of that group.

Embiid for Bam & Herro is a no brainer if he could stay healthy. He can't. He's like Derrick Rose, you can't risk too much to get him

Talent for talent, Embiid is a no brainer. But I agree with oreon, Embiid can’t stay healthy. Why put the future of the franchise on a guy that has never played more than 64 games in a season?

Just to give you some perspective, Bam has played 223 regular season games over 3 seasons. Embiid has played 209 since he was drafted in 2014.

[AirP.]

Spoiler:

It would cost Bam since you shouldn't play Bam and Embiid together and you have to give up something good/great and I really don't care how much you like Bam, he's not in Embiid's class for potential(Embiid on a team that makes him accountable). I am not comparing Bam vs Philly Embiid, I'm comparing Bam vs Embiid in Miami with a great coach and a culture to push him.

How to build the trade in the offseason is interesting. If there isn't any space available to absorb some of Embiid's salary, you have to get up to 24 million to be in the 125% for the trade. Bam(5.1) and Iggy(15) only gets you to 20.1. If Olynyk opts in you can toss in his 12.1 million which equates to 32.2 mil and Miami would acquire another player like Z.Smith(3.2) or really work it to get Thybulle (which I'd really try to acquire even if you had to expand the trade to include Nunn). I don't move Butler, Herro or Robinson and then I resign Dragic, Crowder and DJJ.

You then move forward with starters in Herro, Robinson, Butler, Crowder, Embiid with Dragic, DJJ, KZ, Silva and possibly Z.Smith to round out the bench. Just image playmakers in Butler and Herro, the 2 man game of Embiid and Robinson, Embiid in the low post with 3pt shooters surrounding the arc and the switch ability on defense with a great sized player to protect the rim and can cover up some of the lacking parameter defenders in Robinson and Herro(making both easier to start). That is a very dangerous championship caliber team. Remember, you have 3 more years with Butler and then it's possible you lose a good/great player for nothing but possibly cap space.

The issue would be making Philly a better team built around Simmons. Philly could possibly would move forward with Nunn, Richardson, Harris, Simmons and Bam with a bench of Horford, Iggy, Scott and Korkmaz. That's a fast team that has 2 unique bigs who are very good passers, one being an elite passer.

Also, Bam is only 3 years younger than Embiid. Once again, there's only a handful of players you'd move Bam for, this would be one of that group.

Embiid for Bam & Herro is a no brainer if he could stay healthy. He can't. He's like Derrick Rose, you can't risk too much to get him

Talent for talent, Embiid is a no brainer. But I agree with oreon, Embiid can’t stay healthy. Why put the future of the franchise on a guy that has never played more than 64 games in a season?

Just to give you some perspective, Bam has played 223 regular season games over 3 seasons. Embiid has played 209 since he was drafted in 2014.

I have this belief that Miami's environment would do wonders for Embiid, keeping him in shape and getting closer to maximizing him. Players can be dramatically different when put in different environments, especially ones that make them accountable for everything from their play on the court to their health.

[HeatFanLifer]

Spoiler:

Embiid for Bam & Herro is a no brainer if he could stay healthy. He can't. He's like Derrick Rose, you can't risk too much to get him

Talent for talent, Embiid is a no brainer. But I agree with oreon, Embiid can’t stay healthy. Why put the future of the franchise on a guy that has never played more than 64 games in a season?

Just to give you some perspective, Bam has played 223 regular season games over 3 seasons. Embiid has played 209 since he was drafted in 2014.

I have this belief that Miami's environment would do wonders for Embiid, keeping him in shape and getting closer to maximizing him. Players can be dramatically different when put in different environments, especially ones that make them accountable for everything from their play on the court to their health.

In regards to conditioning, the Heat do not have a magic formula that keeps players healthy. Pat Riley was ahead of his time during the 80’s and 90’s with conditioning, but there is no evidence that I have seen indicating the current Heat system is keeping players any more healthy thsn the next team.

[BenoUdrihFTL]

MIL over ORL in 4
TOR over BKN in 4
BOS over PHI in 6
MIA over IND in 6

LAL over POR in 5
LAC over DAL in 5
DEN over UTA in 6
OKC over HOU in 7

I've got LAC over BOS in 6 in the Finals

[BenoUdrihFTL]

At least Mike Conley's latest newborn looks a bit more like him than this one:

[AirP.]

In regards to conditioning, the Heat do not have a magic formula that keeps players healthy. Pat Riley was ahead of his time during the 80’s and 90’s with conditioning, but there is no evidence that I have seen indicating the current Heat system is keeping players any more healthy thsn the next team.

Sure they do. If you don't meet the team's body fat % you're not playing, the team doesn't allow you to slide. When that type of rule in place most players will keep being in shape at a higher priority then normal.

Also, we're talking about Philly where there's not that much accountability when compared to Miami. Butler mentioned players not talking up in video sessions(basically afraid to call people out), we saw B.Brown go through the media(asking them to tell Ben or his agent, or his family, or his friends) to get Ben to shoot 1 3 a game, B.Brown is the coach, he can tell him himself. I get B.Brown is a great guy but he's also allowing his players to not play up to their potential or stay in tip top shape. I think it would be drastically different in Miami then Philly from a environment/culture perspective... which Miami has been touting for a while now.

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Butler mentioned after a playoff game that B.Brown tore into them at halftime and it completely changed the team in the 2nd half.

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[IggieCC]

what a game between Denver and Utah. two evenly matched teams imo

[IggieCC]

Jamal Murray seems like a player who plays better than his stats indicate. Which probably means he plays better in big games.

One of my non-heat fav players. His pick and roll/pop game with Jokic is pretty nice.

[IggieCC]

DMitchell 57 points in vain. Good game good effort.

[IggieCC]

Denver would be very formidable with healthy Gary Harris and Will Barton, but they might be running out of time.

[John-S]

Nets might just want to forfeit games 2-4. This thing might be an ugly 4 game sweep. Levert looking like a scrub against elite wing defenders. Can’t even get a shot off and I don’t think they even needed to put Ananoby on hm yet. Rondie Hollins Jefferson seems to be enough.

[Mos_Heat]

what a game between Denver and Utah. two evenly matched teams imo

Cakewalk for the Clips in the 2nd

[Mos_Heat]

Raps just too intense

[John-S]

Levert not facing atrocious Portland D anymore. I don’t think they even needed to put Ananoby on hm yet. Rondie Hollins Jefferson seems to be more than enough.

[oreon]

Spoiler:

Embiid for Bam & Herro is a no brainer if he could stay healthy. He can't. He's like Derrick Rose, you can't risk too much to get him

Talent for talent, Embiid is a no brainer. But I agree with oreon, Embiid can’t stay healthy. Why put the future of the franchise on a guy that has never played more than 64 games in a season?

Just to give you some perspective, Bam has played 223 regular season games over 3 seasons. Embiid has played 209 since he was drafted in 2014.

I have this belief that Miami's environment would do wonders for Embiid, keeping him in shape and getting closer to maximizing him. Players can be dramatically different when put in different environments, especially ones that make them accountable for everything from their play on the court to their health.

I am not taking shots at our medical team but recently we haven't had a great record with player injuries. Look at Winslow, Dion, Dragic & Butler also have missed time. We don't have the track record of a Phoenix suns, they have proven they can take players who are injury prone and keep them healthy.
I am sure we'd get him in shape. But there's more to health than that. In addition we push guys hard especially in practice so it might not be the best place for someone whose fragile. Ask Winslow, McRoberts

[HeatFanLifer]

Talent for talent, Embiid is a no brainer. But I agree with oreon, Embiid can’t stay healthy. Why put the future of the franchise on a guy that has never played more than 64 games in a season?

Just to give you some perspective, Bam has played 223 regular season games over 3 seasons. Embiid has played 209 since he was drafted in 2014.

I have this belief that Miami's environment would do wonders for Embiid, keeping him in shape and getting closer to maximizing him. Players can be dramatically different when put in different environments, especially ones that make them accountable for everything from their play on the court to their health.

I am not taking shots at our medical team but recently we haven't had a great record with player injuries. Look at Winslow, Dion, Dragic & Butler also have missed time. We don't have the track record of a Phoenix suns, they have proven they can take players who are injury prone and keep them healthy.
I am sure we'd get him in shape. But there's more to health than that. In addition we push guys hard especially in practice so it might not be the best place for someone whose fragile. Ask Winslow, McRoberts

Meyers Leonard too.