Miami Heat Speculation Thread - 2020 and beyond...

[Beenie]

Where does Booker want to go?

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Here's the pod with Russillo and Simmons in which he made that comment. He never elaborated. The comment was in the context of a larger discussion about what players around the league might be available.

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[greg4012]

It might take that to get it done, Jrue's probably the only two-way difference making almost-star who's going to be available. And the Pells have no movite to move him so any deal will have to be serious compensation. Might well be able to hang on to Duncan or Nunn or one of the 1sts but I wouldn't be surprised if it takes almost all of that to interest the Pells.

Then it's not a deal worth doing IMO. Duncan unlocks our entire offense. Bringing on Jrue also likely tanks any 2021 free agency plans.
That proposed trade decimates our pipeline of future development & maneuverability to improve (Duncan is core for us, KZ is an asset this organization believes in, Nunn has value, and those 2 first round picks make up all of our movable draft capital). 30-year old Jrue Holiday is NOT this team's end game.

I mean most trades like this aren't supposed to be easy calls--no one has leverage so both teams are giving up serious value. There just aren't that many opportunities to add a two-way near all-star to a championship contender, and one with a 31 year-old star in JB who's probably only got 2 peak years left. I would at least consider it, esp if the deal was one asset less than the original offer.

And we can strongly disagree on that. This team is currently positioned to have a true window of contention status of 5+ years.

I prefer an Oladipo bargain 1-year deal to the Jrue deal that will gut our assets and take us out of 2021 free agency.

Our franchise's most valuable element currently is the fact that our young core can all be re-signed with bird rights after using a max slot in 2021 free agency. A Jrue trade eliminates that.

[radikalBaller]

A healthy Oladipo can give us similar production to Jrue, without taking us out of the 2021 Yannis sweepstakes

If you want a shooter, Bane is you guy in the draft

[HotelVitale]

Then it's not a deal worth doing IMO. Duncan unlocks our entire offense. Bringing on Jrue also likely tanks any 2021 free agency plans.
That proposed trade decimates our pipeline of future development & maneuverability to improve (Duncan is core for us, KZ is an asset this organization believes in, Nunn has value, and those 2 first round picks make up all of our movable draft capital). 30-year old Jrue Holiday is NOT this team's end game.

I mean most trades like this aren't supposed to be easy calls--no one has leverage so both teams are giving up serious value. There just aren't that many opportunities to add a two-way near all-star to a championship contender, and one with a 31 year-old star in JB who's probably only got 2 peak years left. I would at least consider it, esp if the deal was one asset less than the original offer.

And we can strongly disagree on that. This team is currently positioned to have a true window of contention status of 5+ years. I prefer an Oladipo bargain 1-year deal to the Jrue deal that will gut our assets and take us out of 2021 free agency. Our franchise's most valuable element currently is the fact that our young core can all be re-signed with bird rights after using a max slot in 2021 free agency. A Jrue trade eliminates that.

Sure, I get the argument and the FO is likely going to bet on itself and do that. Downside is not going all in next season--with JB still at peak peak--and of course running the very real risk of summer of 2021 not yielding what you want. Road many teams have gone down.

If it was an option to snatch up Oladipo for nothing, of course you'd do that--but you're phrasing it like it's there for the taking instead of something that might maybe happen depending on a bunch of context. (Plus Bird rights wouldn't come with a one-year deal, if I'm not mistaken.)

[twix2500]

I think most of the contenders are gonna be after Jrue, so that is who we will be competing against to make a deal happen. Bucks, Lakers, Nuggets and 76ers.

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[RexBoyWonder]

Keep calm and don't panic.



Don't get Triger happy based on a magical playoff run in which we overachieved.

Trading For a Jure holiday (good to very good player, aged 30.5 YO) - Should NOT be plan A, B or even C.

1) The Ultimate goal - Plan A - should be to ADD a true max player to this core. It's very doable, math wise, if we just decide to not add more salaries for the 2022 season.

2) plan B should be - To add a great player (even if not a true Max one) to this core, with the open cap we'll have, if we fail to add a legit whale.

3) Plan C should be - to TRADE for a legit young max player (only after we failed with plan A and B) - and for that we'll need to keep our best assets under team control. Guys like Booker, Embbid, Beal, D. Mitchell could all become available (and attainable to us) in a year or 2 IF we keep our assets.

Trading for a Jrue level player at his age should be plan D, it makes no sense to gut the team when you have a few much better paths to long term contention.

[TroubleS0me]

Giannis confirm?

[twix2500]

I would throw this out there for Jrue and see if other teams are willing and can beat it. Use Nunn as a sweetner if 76ers, Bucks or Lakers can beat it.

I would think Pelicans has interest in Olynyk to play with Zion.

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[greg4012]

I mean most trades like this aren't supposed to be easy calls--no one has leverage so both teams are giving up serious value. There just aren't that many opportunities to add a two-way near all-star to a championship contender, and one with a 31 year-old star in JB who's probably only got 2 peak years left. I would at least consider it, esp if the deal was one asset less than the original offer.

And we can strongly disagree on that. This team is currently positioned to have a true window of contention status of 5+ years. I prefer an Oladipo bargain 1-year deal to the Jrue deal that will gut our assets and take us out of 2021 free agency. Our franchise's most valuable element currently is the fact that our young core can all be re-signed with bird rights after using a max slot in 2021 free agency. A Jrue trade eliminates that.

Sure, I get the argument and the FO is likely going to bet on itself and do that. Downside is not going all in next season--with JB still at peak peak--and of course running the very real risk of summer of 2021 not yielding what you want. Road many teams have gone down.

If it was an option to snatch up Oladipo for nothing, of course you'd do that--but you're phrasing it like it's there for the taking instead of something that might maybe happen depending on a bunch of context. (Plus Bird rights wouldn't come with a one-year deal, if I'm not mistaken.)

Jrue won't move the needle at the cost discussed. We lose as much or more than we gain.

There are multiple avenues to improve through the 2021 free agency situation which Miami has created. If we miss on Giannis, we can still bolster the team in very significant ways.

[twix2500]

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First Heat rumor that they are pursuing Holiday.

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[DayofMourning]

KO and Andre for Jrue. You're welcome.

[AirP.]

Keep calm and don't panic.



Don't get Triger happy based on a magical playoff run in which we overachieved.

Trading For a Jure holiday (good to very good player, aged 30.5 YO) - Should NOT be plan A, B or even C.

1) The Ultimate goal - Plan A - should be to ADD a true max player to this core. It's very doable, math wise, if we just decide to not add more salaries for the 2022 season.

2) plan B should be - To add a great player (even if not a true Max one) to this core, with the open cap we'll have, if we fail to add a legit whale.

3) Plan C should be - to TRADE for a legit young max player (only after we failed with plan A and B) - and for that we'll need to keep our best assets under team control. Guys like Booker, Embbid, Beal, D. Mitchell could all become available (and attainable to us) in a year or 2 IF we keep our assets.

Trading for a Jrue level player at his age should be plan D, it makes no sense to gut the team when you have a few much better paths to long term contention.

I think you missed one which will push 3 to 4.
See how much you can upgrade with non essential players which includes Nunn, Olynyk(if he doesn't opt out), Silva, KZ, and an expiring Iguodala. I think Miami did a 2+1 with Iguodala for the purpose of having a decent sized salary to move which could be looked as an expiring contract(not just a player).

Olynyk opting in isn't a guarantee with this weird upcoming season. The players are already losing money with smaller season, possibly much smaller and a possible 40% escrow could lead Kelly to opt out and look for longer term money before becoming a year older.

[Wiltside]

They can have Nunn, but not my Herro.

Then again, if we trade using KO and Iggy, there go our salary fillers.

We’d also need Jrue opt out assurances for 2021-22 season to retain the max slot.

Imagine adding Giannis to Jimmy/Jrue and Bam though. Oooooft that defense.

[DayofMourning]

Defense would be sick, Wilt.

[Beenie]

Great D

Zero shooting

[Wiltside]

Great D

Zero shooting

I mean, Jrue averaged 2 treys per game last season. He can shoot some.

The 5th starter would have to be a big 3pt threat though to open the floor up.

[Bishop45]

Yames Harden can't play defense or pass, but brehs will give assets for DBook and DMitch who are worse in both aspects

Couldn't be me tbh

[Wiltside]

Yames Harden can't play defense or pass, but brehs will give assets for DBook and DMitch who are worse in both aspects

Couldn't be me tbh

The foils of youth, Bish. People like to see what could be, rather than what is.

For what it’s worth, I’d take Harden or Book.

[Beenie]

Great D

Zero shooting

I mean, Jrue averaged 2 treys per game last season. He can shoot some.

The 5th starter would have to be a big 3pt threat though to open the floor up.

On 35% shooting.

The assortment of names is impressive but the projected balance looks troubling.

I'd rather have Herro than Bam on this projected team.

And in a Holiday deal, Mia ought to insist on getting Reddick.

[RexBoyWonder]

Keep calm and don't panic.



Don't get Triger happy based on a magical playoff run in which we overachieved.

Trading For a Jure holiday (good to very good player, aged 30.5 YO) - Should NOT be plan A, B or even C.

1) The Ultimate goal - Plan A - should be to ADD a true max player to this core. It's very doable, math wise, if we just decide to not add more salaries for the 2022 season.

2) plan B should be - To add a great player (even if not a true Max one) to this core, with the open cap we'll have, if we fail to add a legit whale.

3) Plan C should be - to TRADE for a legit young max player (only after we failed with plan A and B) - and for that we'll need to keep our best assets under team control. Guys like Booker, Embbid, Beal, D. Mitchell could all become available (and attainable to us) in a year or 2 IF we keep our assets.

Trading for a Jrue level player at his age should be plan D, it makes no sense to gut the team when you have a few much better paths to long term contention.

I think you missed one which will push 3 to 4.
See how much you can upgrade with non essential players which includes Nunn, Olynyk(if he doesn't opt out), Silva, KZ, and an expiring Iguodala. I think Miami did a 2+1 with Iguodala for the purpose of having a decent sized salary to move which could be looked as an expiring contract(not just a player).

Olynyk opting in isn't a guarantee with this weird upcoming season. The players are already losing money with smaller season, possibly much smaller and a possible 40% escrow could lead Kelly to opt out and look for longer term money before becoming a year older.

Sure, you always try to improve on the margins, but I'm not sure we can add a meaningful player if Bam/Jimmy/Herro/Robinson are all off the table.

Who can you really get for a package of Nunn + Kelly + #20 + KZ + Iggy?

also If we can draft another stud at #20 and get a starting player talent with full MLE (still dreaming of Gallinari or Wood), Insert KZ to the rotation - that's enough talent additions for this season IMO.