Miami Heat Offseason Thread vol. 1: Post Mortem

[twix2500]

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[HeatFanDan]

People said we couldn’t beat the Bucks, then the Knicks, then the Celtics as well. They finally got it right with Denver. Are the Thunder and Wolves that much better than the Celtics if at all? I actually think the wolves win the championship but we’ll see but I’ll take our chances with Mitchell, playoff Jimmy, Bam, Spo, and proven vets any day. Our defense (thanks Bam) will always give us a chance as long as our stars are providing efficient scoring the “the others” can knock down open looks.

Father time always wins though. Butler plays 50 games a year and is healthy every other playoffs. He has lost a lot of his athleticism from these eyes. Injured 3 out of 5 playoffs and now 35. My expectations about his contributions are fairly low. Paying him $50 million per year is ludicrous. Pat just called him out big time in his presser. The obvious is screaming at us.

Agree with this. 50+ mil a year for a guy that gives little to no effort in the regular season would be asinine. I'm ready to move on from Jimmy Hollywood.

[IceColdCubano]

I moved to Miami D'Wades rookie year from Phoenix. I was a die hard Suns fan from the day Barkley arrived in the desert and rode with them until Nash left.

The one thing I can tell you is that the Nash ,Amare ,Marion build feels very similar to this. After many years of heartbreak (and crooked refs), the team got stale. They coasted until they got to the playoffs and then didn't have the chemistry to make it through. They tried to replace the 3rd man (Marion) with Shaq but that didn't work out either. In hindsight, the team just needed an influx of youth to inspire the fan base, and inspire the vets through the long regular season. We have that in Jovic and JJJ. Tyler also ignites the fans and has the team rooting for him to succeed. So my point is that this is not as dire as it feels.

Do we need changes, yes. But I think this is the year of truth. Jimmy playing for the extension, Tyler on a mission to prove everyone wrong, JJJ and Jovic developing another year and hopefully a healthy Rozier. Bam will also improve as he has every year, Duncan hopefully takes another step up and Caleb probably will accept his player option.

I don't want to run things back, but the foundation to be better than last year is already in place.

This is not the year to blow it up. If we can trade Tyler for another player that raises the ceiling then you do it, but not just change for the sake of change.

I think the biggest mission this off season is for the organization to do a deep dive into availability.

The bolded red part above has got me making faces over here like I am having a seizure. This past year was the 5th year, that was the prove it year, can't move the goal post. Same with Tyler Herro, he is what he is, were out of prove it years with this kid, how many more years are we going to continue to kick the can here down the road?

In regards to blowing it up, yeah that I agree with 100%, we don't own our draft pick this upcoming season, that being one, and we have a bunch of deadweight salary on the books still taking space doing nothing for us that has already peaked as in not get any better.

Our young guys will get better, but so will every other young guy in every other team, and their premier players will comeback to training camp with new things added to their game just like our guys will, which offsets anything that we also do in grow. This is no longer a competition in whose team grows more, its about talent at this point and we don't have enough.

[IceColdCubano]

People said we couldn’t beat the Bucks, then the Knicks, then the Celtics as well. They finally got it right with Denver. Are the Thunder and Wolves that much better than the Celtics if at all? I actually think the wolves win the championship but we’ll see but I’ll take our chances with Mitchell, playoff Jimmy, Bam, Spo, and proven vets any day. Our defense (thanks Bam) will always give us a chance as long as our stars are providing efficient scoring the “the others” can knock down open looks.

Father time always wins though. Butler plays 50 games a year and is healthy every other playoffs. He has lost a lot of his athleticism from these eyes. Injured 3 out of 5 playoffs and now 35. My expectations about his contributions are fairly low. Paying him $50 million per year is ludicrous. Pat just called him out big time in his presser. The obvious is screaming at us.

Agree with this. 50+ mil a year for a guy that gives little to no effort in the regular season would be asinine. I'm ready to move on from Jimmy Hollywood.

Expecting Jimmy to replicate anything he did in the past with more age and wear and tear is asking too much. Which is why our front office is very aware that the remaining years he does have under contract are overpaid as it is. Getting and extension that pays even more is absolutely asinine for them to do. Getting 500K per game when its maybe he plays maybe he doesn't and oh by the way when he does he might not give it his all, yeah they aint about that life.

[IceColdCubano]

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[DayofMourning]

Saw it mentioned above, we DO own our pick this comimg draft, if it lands in the lottery.

With 3 studs at the top of the draft, THIS would be the season to fail miserably and reap the potential rewards.

[3ammy3uck3ts]

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Is he wrong?

[twozeroMM]

Saw it mentioned above, we DO own our pick this comimg draft, if it lands in the lottery.

With 3 studs at the top of the draft, THIS would be the season to fail miserably and reap the potential rewards.

Our pick is right outside the lottery at 15.

[SoFlaKingReal]

Saw it mentioned above, we DO own our pick this comimg draft, if it lands in the lottery.

With 3 studs at the top of the draft, THIS would be the season to fail miserably and reap the potential rewards.

Our pick is right outside the lottery at 15.

I believe he means the 2025 draft.

[greg4012]

Saw it mentioned above, we DO own our pick this comimg draft, if it lands in the lottery.

With 3 studs at the top of the draft, THIS would be the season to fail miserably and reap the potential rewards.

I believe you're referring to the 2025 draft. Someone can correct me if I'm wrong, but the downside to being in the lottery in the 2025 draft (aside from having a **** season if we want to actually have top 3 lottery odds) is further extending the window of time, under the Stepien rule, for which the Heat are limited to trading future picks due to the pick owed to OKC pushing to 2026.

[3ammy3uck3ts]

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3rd team would have to be Cleveland sending us Mitchell.

[EMC5466]

Ethan Skolnick says Jimmy is demanding the max and will not take a penny less. He doesn’t care about the makeup of the roster, he just wants his money. If he doesn’t get the max there’s going to be a real problem.

[greg4012]

Ethan Skolnick says Jimmy is demanding the max and will not take a penny less. He doesn’t care about the makeup of the roster, he just wants his money. If he doesn’t get the max there’s going to be a real problem.

He's got the max for the next 2 seasons

[Daffy]

Ethan Skolnick says Jimmy is demanding the max and will not take a penny less. He doesn’t care about the makeup of the roster, he just wants his money. If he doesn’t get the max there’s going to be a real problem.

While this may be true I would advise against listening to Ethan. He's been proven to make **** up. I mean didn't he say his story lined up to ICC's nuggets which were also proven to be hogwash?

[DayofMourning]

Saw it mentioned above, we DO own our pick this comimg draft, if it lands in the lottery.

With 3 studs at the top of the draft, THIS would be the season to fail miserably and reap the potential rewards.

Our pick is right outside the lottery at 15.

My bad. I meant 2025 draft. Sorry! At work.

[twix2500]

I am gonna remind people Pat let Zo walk because Pat did not want to commit to the money to Zo because of his health. Pat wanted Zo to stay but not for the money Zo was asking for and Pat told Zo that the Heat will no longer build around him and it was gonna be a youth movement. Thus Zo signed with the Nets to compete and make more money. Zo did respect Pat honesty, but Zo felt his motality and felt it was important to get the most out of his years. Luckily Zo is still kicking.

I do not believe the Heat want to give Butler a max extension regardless how well he plays. Would they like him to stay, sure, but at 37 years old and the max contract, I do not think so. Butler would have to request a trade for the Heat to trade him. And if that happens, Butler must find a team that is willing to pay him what the Heat will not. How likely is that? Remember Philly lied to Harden about his contract.

[Lennyzinho]

Ethan Skolnick says Jimmy is demanding the max and will not take a penny less. He doesn’t care about the makeup of the roster, he just wants his money. If he doesn’t get the max there’s going to be a real problem.

He's got the max for the next 2 seasons

Well he's making 49M next and then has a 52.4M option... so the last thing you want is to have a tumultuous year with Jimmy, trade rumors all year, and then a first or second round playoff exit, cuz then he could just leave to Philly or NYC with thibs and Brunson or Houston etc and we get nothing.

I think there's no chance that happens imo. Think Jimmy wants to be here. And we want him here. I just don't see how we turn herro and pieces into donovan and then extend donovan-bam-jimmy as theyd all be up for extensions and not be uber effed by new CBA and have terrible depth.

[Rapaz]

Send Jimmy to the Bayou. Mama Gayle is willing to offer him the max butler salary. $51.02/hr.