Heat, Mavs Talking JO and/or Beasley For Haywood Trade?

YounG_A · Post #121 » by **YounG_A** » Wed Jul 7, 2010 1:23 am

LEIF wrote:
wallacesports Mavs reportedly have no interest - for now - in potential sign-and-trade deal with the Heat, w/J.O'Neal-Beas as options

damn cuban still butt hurt from 06

Hoops23 · Post #122 » by **Hoops23** » Wed Jul 7, 2010 1:36 am

Pat Riley is just teasing Mark Cuban for the Mavs to over price on Haywood. If the Mavs dont want to trade Haywood to Miami, thats a good news for the Heat. Its Miami's gain and not their loss.

Haywood = over rated

Three O Five · Post #123 » by **Three O Five** » Wed Jul 7, 2010 1:38 am

Lane1974 wrote:
Akshan wrote:TRADING BEASLEY IS A HUGE MISTAKE THIS KID ISN'T EVEN IN HIS PRIME IT TOOK MICHAEL JORDAN 7 YEARS TO WIN A RING AND SCOTTIE PIPPEN WE GET WADE BOSH AND MAKE BEASEY A SF HE CAN BE ONE OF THE BEST SF IN THE LEAGUE

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Don't forget my good friends Chivas and Regal.

vandyman22 · Post #124 » by **vandyman22** » Wed Jul 7, 2010 1:40 am

mopper8 wrote:So I was thinking, maybe we trade two future 2nd round picks for Beaubois + 3 million cash. That seems like a fair trade.

So we buy a first rounder and then trade Roddy for another? Right....

Look at this way.... You have to give us something back that equals the on court value of something better than Joe Johnson in order to get Roddy B. This means a franchise player better be coming back to Dallas in any trade that includes him. This isn't just me, this is the value placed on him by Mark Cuban. If you don't like it, fine..... but stop posting scenarios that the Mavericks would laugh at.

Wade2k6 · Post #125 » by **Wade2k6** » Wed Jul 7, 2010 1:46 am

Joe Johnson? :lol:

Talk about overrating prospects. What team in their right mind would trade a player of Joe Johnsons caliber for a player who is a 3rd string PG and can't even get on the court for 15 minutes a game? I guess if that's the case it's going to take Dwight Howard and nothing less to get Beasley off the Miami's hands.

CDansby · Post #126 » by **CDansby** » Wed Jul 7, 2010 1:54 am

I think this whole thing is hilarious. It seems like Heat fans are forgetting that this whole rumor start as Miami asking about Haywood. Riley is the one who wants Haywood it's not like we're going hard after Beasley or anything.

You're the guys who need a true center and a backup PG, not us. This is all just to make room for Bosh. I guess Riley doesn't feel like JO is enough of a true 5 to make Bosh happy (that picky little girl).

And to those who are saying you wouldn't want Haywood on a long expensive contract, that's the only way you'd get him. It takes a lot to outbid the Mavs, especially on overrated centers, and the only way we'd S&T him is if Miami wants to pay him more than us.

I'm not touching the Roddy debate, I'll let Roddy's play this season do the talking.

And this thread reminded me that FABOLOUS is probably the most short sighted poster I've ever seen on any of this boards. LMAO at you posting a link of a thread that you quit posting on halfway through.

vandyman22 · Post #127 » by **vandyman22** » Wed Jul 7, 2010 1:56 am

Wade2k6 wrote:Joe Johnson?

Talk about overrating prospects. What team in their right mind would trade a player of Joe Johnsons caliber for a player who is a 3rd string PG and can't even get on the court for 15 minutes a game? I guess if that's the case it's going to take Dwight Howard and nothing less to get Beasley off the Miami's hands.

This just shows that you know absolutely nothing of the Maverick's scenario last season. Nor should you, your a heat fan. Regardless, Rick nearly got fired for not playing him at the end of the season. That's the kind of madness that was going on with Roddy and his PT. Carlisle also benched T. Prince his entire rookie season.

EDIT: It's not just Mav fans that praise Roddy, freaking Reggie Miller nick names him "baby flash." I mean, if you haven't seen him play it's easy to be impulsive and automatically label a player overrated. Just go to youtube if you want some evidence, half the time he was put on the floor he made a highlight reel on youtube. Consider that he's fresh out of a 2nd tier professional league in Guadalupe and that he barely spoke English coming into the league.....that's pretty impressive stuff.

Joe Johnson is 29 years old and just signed a 6 year $125 million deal. Why would we offer possibly one of the worst contracts of the summer and trade away our ONLY young talent for someone who is only marginally better than Caron Butler at this point in their careers? Doesn't make sense.

ifrosty13 · Post #128 » by **ifrosty13** » Wed Jul 7, 2010 2:27 am

I dont even want that kid anymore.. The rumor has been put to rest by the Mavs. Can we lock this already?

FAB0L0US · Post #129 » by **FAB0L0US** » Wed Jul 7, 2010 2:29 am

CDansby wrote:You're the guys who need a true center and a backup PG, not us. This is all just to make room for Bosh. I guess Riley doesn't feel like JO is enough of a true 5 to make Bosh happy (that picky little girl).

And this thread reminded me that FABOLOUS is probably the most short sighted poster I've ever seen on any of this boards. LMAO at you posting a link of a thread that you quit posting on halfway through.

1) I am perfectly happy with Arroyo and JO over an overpaid midget Barea and an overpaid ogre, old-azz Haywood. At least JO used to be an All-Star, Haywood is just a contract chaser with little to no game. And again, I want to remind everyone the Heat were tied for third in defensive efficiency with JO as our starting center. Haywood is no upgrade over JO, especially considering he is downright worthless on offense.

Edit: Haywoods teams, Washington and Dallas, were 18 and 12 in defensive efficency respectively. Not saying it is all on him (Washington is just an atrocious team), but he isnt exactly a defensive enforcer. Cant jump, cant block shots all that good, not that good of a rebounder, cant score, cant draw charges, and is a liability on offense. And JO fairs comparably to him in their individual defensive numbers as has been brought up before. JO> Haywood.

2) I got banned for insulting a Celtics moderator on their board. Couldnt post.

CDansby · Post #130 » by **CDansby** » Wed Jul 7, 2010 3:54 am

1) Pat Riley doesn't care what you're perfectly happy with, he wants Haywood apparently.

2) Shouldn't that tell you that you do a lot more insulting than actual responding?

WadeisLikeMike · Post #131 » by **WadeisLikeMike** » Wed Jul 7, 2010 3:57 am

Mavs wouldn't deal Haywood

The Dallas Mavericks are not interested in signing Brendan Haywood to trade him.

A league source said the Mavs remain in contract negotiations to make the unrestricted free agent their starting center next season. However, if the two sides are to come to terms, it probably won't happen until after the top free agents choose their teams.

A report in the Miami Herald on Tuesday, citing one player and a separate agent, said the Miami Heat have broached the Mavs about a possible sign-and-trade involving Haywood for unrestricted free-agent center Jermaine O'Neal and possibly forward Michael Beasley.

Haywood made $6 million last season. He could be in line for an annual salary of $8 million to $10 million.

O'Neal, 31, is an unrestricted free agent who played for Mavs coach Rick Carlisle at Indiana. The 6-11, 14-year veteran could also draw interest from the Mavs with all or part of their mid-level exception.

Looks like the trade talks are dead for now.

nice try Miami, you almost had us...

^No refs to help them this time.

And it also looks like some fanbase is still bitter :lol:

Akshan · Post #132 » by **Akshan** » Wed Jul 7, 2010 3:59 am

LOL this kid saying we are in severe need of a PG and Center wht have the Mavs accomplished in the past few years ? U guys got Dirk,Butler,Kidd,Terry,Marion and u cant advance the first round and Roddy is "baby flash " why couldn't he light up a Spurs team like Wade single handed beat Boston. Roddy is the price of a all-star not only are Mav's fan's arrogant ur irrational . Let me guess Dirk is the best player in the league too it will take LeBron , Wade And Bosh to get Dirk tht's how amazing he is LMFAOOOOOOOOOO

MAVS FAN quit crying over 2006 u had ur one shot to win a title in a billion years u ruined it

vandyman22 · Post #133 » by **vandyman22** » Wed Jul 7, 2010 4:21 am

Akshan wrote:LOL this kid saying we are in severe need of a PG and Center wht have the Mavs accomplished in the past few years ? U guys got Dirk,Butler,Kidd,Terry,Marion and u cant advance the first round and Roddy is "baby flash " why couldn't he light up a Spurs team like Wade single handed beat Boston. Roddy is the price of a all-star not only are Mav's fan's arrogant ur irrational . Let me guess Dirk is the best player in the league too it will take LeBron , Wade And Bosh to get Dirk tht's how amazing he is LMFAOOOOOOOOOO

MAVS FAN quit crying over 2006 u had ur one shot to win a title in a billion years u ruined it

Nothing about the finals from me, we were beat with or without the refs. It was Dirk and Josh Howard vs Wade and a still dominant Shaq. We lost.

Why couldn't "baby flash" dominate the spurs? He did. Even fans with the most basic knowledge on Roddy know this. He was put in once during the entire series when Rick was getting desperate in Game 6 and he dominated. Take 2 minutes of your time and check it out.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pQ5TUKA8Guw

Wade2k6 · Post #134 » by **Wade2k6** » Wed Jul 7, 2010 4:26 am

Again, Joe Johnson might have a terrible contract now, but you're delusional if you think the Mavs would get anything remotely close to a JJ type player for this guy.

WadeisLikeMike · Post #135 » by **WadeisLikeMike** » Wed Jul 7, 2010 4:29 am

vandyman22 wrote:
Akshan wrote:LOL this kid saying we are in severe need of a PG and Center wht have the Mavs accomplished in the past few years ? U guys got Dirk,Butler,Kidd,Terry,Marion and u cant advance the first round and Roddy is "baby flash " why couldn't he light up a Spurs team like Wade single handed beat Boston. Roddy is the price of a all-star not only are Mav's fan's arrogant ur irrational . Let me guess Dirk is the best player in the league too it will take LeBron , Wade And Bosh to get Dirk tht's how amazing he is LMFAOOOOOOOOOO

MAVS FAN quit crying over 2006 u had ur one shot to win a title in a billion years u ruined it

Nothing about the finals from me, we were beat with or without the refs. It was Dirk and Josh Howard vs Wade and a still dominant Shaq. We lost.

Why couldn't "baby flash" dominate the spurs? He did. Even fans with the most basic knowledge on Roddy know this. He was put in once during the entire series when Rick was getting desperate in Game 6 and he dominated. Take 2 minutes of your time and check it out.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pQ5TUKA8Guw

I agree this kid has a ton of potential, upside, and the tools to become a great PG in the future, but the thing we were stating is some of your fans were posturing us about not even mentioning him in a trade without Wade being a part of it which is completely absurd. Also he doesn't seem to be that important to your coaching staff the way they only gave him limited minutes.

B-easy · Post #136 » by **B-easy** » Wed Jul 7, 2010 4:30 am

Wouldn't it be funny if Beasley is traded and the next time heat play him, he drops 40.

WadeisLikeMike · Post #137 » by **WadeisLikeMike** » Wed Jul 7, 2010 4:35 am

B-easy wrote:Wouldn't it funny if Beasley is traded and the next time heat play him, he drops 40.

Beas has the skills to do so on a team i.e. Timberwolves, Grizz, where he can be the man but he will never be a prime contributer to a championship contending team. BTW B-Easy are you going to be following him wherever he goes, or are you going to stick with us.

B-easy · Post #138 » by **B-easy** » Wed Jul 7, 2010 4:39 am

WadeisLikeMike wrote:BTW B-Easy are you going to be following him wherever he goes, or are you going to stick with us.

Both

daniel3 · Post #139 » by **daniel3** » Wed Jul 7, 2010 4:45 am

WadeisLikeMike wrote:
B-easy wrote:Wouldn't it funny if Beasley is traded and the next time heat play him, he drops 40.

Beas has the skills to do so on a team i.e. Timberwolves, Grizz, where he can be the man but he will never be a prime contributer to a championship contending team. BTW B-Easy are you going to be following him wherever he goes, or are you going to stick with us.

Can you help me out with the lottery down here in Florida by pulling that crystal ball out of your ass one more time? Could use next weeks numbers.

WadeisLikeMike · Post #140 » by **WadeisLikeMike** » Wed Jul 7, 2010 4:49 am

daniel3 wrote:
WadeisLikeMike wrote:
B-easy wrote:Wouldn't it funny if Beasley is traded and the next time heat play him, he drops 40.

Beas has the skills to do so on a team i.e. Timberwolves, Grizz, where he can be the man but he will never be a prime contributer to a championship contending team. BTW B-Easy are you going to be following him wherever he goes, or are you going to stick with us.

Can you help me out with the lottery down here in Florida by pulling that crystal ball out of your ass one more time? Could use next weeks numbers.

I just don't think he will ever be the man that will be the prime contributer and lead his team to a championship. By no means does is there no chance of it happening sure he might be the next Kevin Garnett for all we know but its just my opinion. No need to turn this into a beasley debate now.