ECF Game 5: Boston @ Miami - 5/25 @ 8:30pm EST

[3ammy3uck3ts]

its rigged

it'll be a dub

The messiah has spoken!

[wade44]

Not to be the antagonist here but think we should pump the brakes on Oladipo a lot. When are we going to learn about overpaying guys on expiring deals who very rarely ever live up to what they're being paid. We spent the 2nd half of the 2010's overpaying scrubs and only have a conference semifinals to show for it. The sample size is way too small as for what Dipo can give us during an 82 game season and that's not to mention his extensive injury history in recent years. I give him no more than 2 years 25 million or something like that. We would be nuts to give him a long term deal especially because he's on the wrong side of 30.

[Flash4thewin]

Rarely agree with SAS but he basically said everything ive been talking about this squad since before the playoffs began.. we lack firepower and star power. We got this far because of our defense and discipline.. but to be honest i was not going to be shocked if Atlanta beat us in the first round or if Philadelphia beat us in the second round. Not shocked either that we won both those rounds. Its been pretty amazing how far we have made it with the roster we have, with Strus and Dipo being major contributors.. strus, there were hundreds of more talented players when he declared to enter the draft.. caleb martin was a nobody.. gabe vincent as well.. dipo has been injured..

I just hope we are able to pull off two more wins because i hate Boston but the celtics are so deep. Win or lose, we have got to get creative in the offseason to stay competitive and separate ourselves further from the mid tier teams of the East.

Honestly thats a fair take, other than the Atlanta part. If Embiid is healthy for the start of the series we are not in the Eastern finals thats for sure. Now will we ever face a healthy Embiid is another honest question. Our team is bipolar, when we face size we shrink, or more precisely Bam vanishes. If Boston's bigs are healthy I dont like our odds.

Honestly we do need drastic changes whatever the outcome is. Heck even if by luck we win a ring I would still blow this team apart. Duncan, Lowry need to go. TJ needs to come back, Oladipo will get paid here hopefully. No idea what to do with Bam, his value is at Center but that gets exposed in the playoffs. If we trade him our switch defense falls apart. Ideally he gets a 3pt shot etc or we find a center who can hit the 3. How do we get rid go Duncan and Lowry without needed to attach draft picks is the problem. Remember Lowry will only get worse and less dependable, next year hes what 36 for a pg thats not fit, thats just asking for trouble. What can Herro get in a trade? Remember he is up for his extension and for trade purposes he needs to get paid and locked up so that means basically maxing him. Herro locked in a long term contract hold more value than Herro as a restricted free agent.

[Flash4thewin]

Not to be the antagonist here but think we should pump the brakes on Oladipo a lot. When are we going to learn about overpaying guys on expiring deals who very rarely ever live up to what they're being paid. We spent the 2nd half of the 2010's overpaying scrubs and only have a conference semifinals to show for it. The sample size is way too small as for what Dipo can give us during an 82 game season and that's not to mention his extensive injury history in recent years. I give him no more than 2 years 25 million or something like that. We would be nuts to give him a long term deal especially because he's on the wrong side of 30.

we gave Lowry 3/90 and hes 35 years old....
If we offer Oladipo 2/25 hes gone, thats a little over the MLE. Boston is a really good defensive team, if he can put up those number on them im sure he will be better in the regular season. We honestly with the talent we have, cant afford to have him leave.

[wade44]

Not to be the antagonist here but think we should pump the brakes on Oladipo a lot. When are we going to learn about overpaying guys on expiring deals who very rarely ever live up to what they're being paid. We spent the 2nd half of the 2010's overpaying scrubs and only have a conference semifinals to show for it. The sample size is way too small as for what Dipo can give us during an 82 game season and that's not to mention his extensive injury history in recent years. I give him no more than 2 years 25 million or something like that. We would be nuts to give him a long term deal especially because he's on the wrong side of 30.

we gave Lowry 3/90 and hes 35 years old....
If we offer Oladipo 2/25 hes gone, thats a little over the MLE. Boston is a really good defensive team, if he can put up those number on them im sure he will be better in the regular season. We honestly with the talent we have, cant afford to have him leave.

Will his body hold up though is the burning question.. This guy has only played in 96 games in the last 4 seasons. That's a major red flag. Have to also consider the drop off in play after a guy gets paid. Didn't work for Tyler Johnson, Dion Waiters, Hassan Whiteside, James Johnson, Duncan Robinson, etc.

I've been impressed with what he's done this postseason and would like to bring him back but he's got to be reasonable with too little a sample size and injury history taken into account

[3ballbomber]

I hope Haslem's had another talk w/ Bam. As I've ben saying he needs mental coaching. This proves it. Bring in Tim Grover.

Read on Twitter

“Right before [Game 3], him and I sat down and watched film for about two hours. It was a lot of technical things I wanted him to focus on. When you get this deep in the season, you have to be real technical about everything that is going on. You’ve got to do the right thing every time. It’s not going to work every time. But you’ve got to continue to work those habits and then you’ll have your breakthrough. A lot of the film work the night before Game 3 was details and going back to who you are and what you are and what you mean to this team.”

Haslem tries — as the expression goes — to keep it real with Adebayo. “A lot of those conversations Bam and I have always had, it’s different,” Haslem said. “There’s a lot that comes with making $163 [million]. There’s a lot of expectations. But I told Bam the expectations that come with $163 [million] is just be a winner. You just be a winner! You be the kid you’ve been. “You be the kid we gave the $163 [million] to because we know that kid can lead us to winning with the way he impacts the game. That’s all I told Bam.” But that wasn’t all. “After we watched film for two hours, we sat and talked about what a champion is,” Haslem said. “What it means to be a champion. What it takes to be a champion. What you have to go through to be a champion. It’s hard. [I told him], ‘you’ll be down. You’re going to be out. There’s going to be a lot of frustration, a lot of confusion. Sometimes there will be doubt. All those emotions, you have to channel and manage those and be who you are.’”

Haslem said the key for Adebayo flourishing offensively “had nothing to do with getting the ball in the post. It was all recognition, all recognizing your opportunities, how to take advantage of them, how to attack different matchups, when to attack in the flow of the game, early, transition, things like that. “Just pointing out there are opportunities to get himself involved and not necessarily from the standpoint of just having the ball in your hands. Also when you’re setting screens, who you want to target, how you want to screen them, how you get off the screen early, how fast. All those things matter.” When I asked Adebayo who was most in his ear about being more aggressive offensively, he cited Haslem. But Haslem said it’s not as simple as Adebayo turning on a switch. “The way our offense works, the ball moves around a lot and the ball ends up where it ends up,” Haslem said. “The ball finds energy. It’s hard to really say be aggressive, take the ball into your hands because if the ball is moving around and having energy, it could end up anywhere. But what I do want him to do is always maintain a certain mentality whether he’s getting the ball or not. It’s a mentality of aggressiveness and physicality.”

[HEATVols865]

Pay Victor Oladipo what he wants to keep him on our team. He is Heat culture, plays defense, AND can score the ball. We better not lose him to another team.

Please trade Duncan Robinson's contract away from our team, if we need to make space in cap.

Holy **** we agree on something


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[HEATVols865]

I hope Haslem's had another talk w/ Bam. As I've ben saying he needs mental coaching. This proves it. Bring in Tim Grover.

Read on Twitter

“Right before [Game 3], him and I sat down and watched film for about two hours. It was a lot of technical things I wanted him to focus on. When you get this deep in the season, you have to be real technical about everything that is going on. You’ve got to do the right thing every time. It’s not going to work every time. But you’ve got to continue to work those habits and then you’ll have your breakthrough. A lot of the film work the night before Game 3 was details and going back to who you are and what you are and what you mean to this team.”

Haslem tries — as the expression goes — to keep it real with Adebayo. “A lot of those conversations Bam and I have always had, it’s different,” Haslem said. “There’s a lot that comes with making $163 [million]. There’s a lot of expectations. But I told Bam the expectations that come with $163 [million] is just be a winner. You just be a winner! You be the kid you’ve been. “You be the kid we gave the $163 [million] to because we know that kid can lead us to winning with the way he impacts the game. That’s all I told Bam.” But that wasn’t all. “After we watched film for two hours, we sat and talked about what a champion is,” Haslem said. “What it means to be a champion. What it takes to be a champion. What you have to go through to be a champion. It’s hard. [I told him], ‘you’ll be down. You’re going to be out. There’s going to be a lot of frustration, a lot of confusion. Sometimes there will be doubt. All those emotions, you have to channel and manage those and be who you are.’”

Haslem said the key for Adebayo flourishing offensively “had nothing to do with getting the ball in the post. It was all recognition, all recognizing your opportunities, how to take advantage of them, how to attack different matchups, when to attack in the flow of the game, early, transition, things like that. “Just pointing out there are opportunities to get himself involved and not necessarily from the standpoint of just having the ball in your hands. Also when you’re setting screens, who you want to target, how you want to screen them, how you get off the screen early, how fast. All those things matter.” When I asked Adebayo who was most in his ear about being more aggressive offensively, he cited Haslem. But Haslem said it’s not as simple as Adebayo turning on a switch. “The way our offense works, the ball moves around a lot and the ball ends up where it ends up,” Haslem said. “The ball finds energy. It’s hard to really say be aggressive, take the ball into your hands because if the ball is moving around and having energy, it could end up anywhere. But what I do want him to do is always maintain a certain mentality whether he’s getting the ball or not. It’s a mentality of aggressiveness and physicality.”

UD sees Bam making $163M and doing less than he did in his Heat career making $5M per year…you know he wants to murder Bam


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[Grumpy Heat Fan]

Whatever happened to watch0ut

[Kobewade11]

Not to be the antagonist here but think we should pump the brakes on Oladipo a lot. When are we going to learn about overpaying guys on expiring deals who very rarely ever live up to what they're being paid. We spent the 2nd half of the 2010's overpaying scrubs and only have a conference semifinals to show for it. The sample size is way too small as for what Dipo can give us during an 82 game season and that's not to mention his extensive injury history in recent years. I give him no more than 2 years 25 million or something like that. We would be nuts to give him a long term deal especially because he's on the wrong side of 30.

Thats all he’s getting offered from anybody is a 2 or 3 year deal.

[wade44]

Not to be the antagonist here but think we should pump the brakes on Oladipo a lot. When are we going to learn about overpaying guys on expiring deals who very rarely ever live up to what they're being paid. We spent the 2nd half of the 2010's overpaying scrubs and only have a conference semifinals to show for it. The sample size is way too small as for what Dipo can give us during an 82 game season and that's not to mention his extensive injury history in recent years. I give him no more than 2 years 25 million or something like that. We would be nuts to give him a long term deal especially because he's on the wrong side of 30.

Thats all he’s getting offered from anybody is a 2 or 3 year deal.

Probably but being that we gave 35 year old Lowry a 3 year deal you never know

[eddieheatfan]

Not to be the antagonist here but think we should pump the brakes on Oladipo a lot. When are we going to learn about overpaying guys on expiring deals who very rarely ever live up to what they're being paid. We spent the 2nd half of the 2010's overpaying scrubs and only have a conference semifinals to show for it. The sample size is way too small as for what Dipo can give us during an 82 game season and that's not to mention his extensive injury history in recent years. I give him no more than 2 years 25 million or something like that. We would be nuts to give him a long term deal especially because he's on the wrong side of 30.

Thats all he’s getting offered from anybody is a 2 or 3 year deal.

Probably but being that we gave 35 year old Lowry a 3 year deal you never know

i second your point man. i think that sometimes the heat goes to extremes. they get the ultra veteran players that nobody wants and also get players that are undrafted for a reason. tbh, we have had so much luck with both ends but i think that if the heats fails to go the NBA finals it would put an asterisk on this strategy


i have said this before here, the heat should go international for shooters. for everything else go local lol

[SerialChiller]

Not to be the antagonist here but think we should pump the brakes on Oladipo a lot. When are we going to learn about overpaying guys on expiring deals who very rarely ever live up to what they're being paid. We spent the 2nd half of the 2010's overpaying scrubs and only have a conference semifinals to show for it. The sample size is way too small as for what Dipo can give us during an 82 game season and that's not to mention his extensive injury history in recent years. I give him no more than 2 years 25 million or something like that. We would be nuts to give him a long term deal especially because he's on the wrong side of 30.

I really like Dipo because hes all heart and hustle on both ends with allstar skills and athleticism. He literally just turned 30 like what a month ago? I think 3 maybe even 4 years would be ok. The guy is a team player who hasnt moped about his role or minutes, just comes out and gives it his all. And he puts defense first, this isnt Waiters here. Injuries happen and yes thats a concern, but the guy has really won me over and has me excited to watch next season.

Players who can break down a defense to score and create for others while being a plus defender are hard to find. I really hope we can keep him with a fair deal for both sides. Hes a Heat type player who wants to be here or at least did well see.

[3ammy3uck3ts]

Who’s the last 1 seed to not have an all nba guy? Of course it’s the case when we get the 1st seed.

Jimmy finished 7th (only 6 make it)

Bam finished 5th (only 3 make it)

[Wiltside]

This better be a fat W

[wade44]

Not to be the antagonist here but think we should pump the brakes on Oladipo a lot. When are we going to learn about overpaying guys on expiring deals who very rarely ever live up to what they're being paid. We spent the 2nd half of the 2010's overpaying scrubs and only have a conference semifinals to show for it. The sample size is way too small as for what Dipo can give us during an 82 game season and that's not to mention his extensive injury history in recent years. I give him no more than 2 years 25 million or something like that. We would be nuts to give him a long term deal especially because he's on the wrong side of 30.

I really like Dipo because hes all heart and hustle on both ends with allstar skills and athleticism. He literally just turned 30 like what a month ago? I think 3 maybe even 4 years would be ok. The guy is a team player who hasnt moped about his role or minutes, just comes out and gives it his all. And he puts defense first, this isnt Waiters here. Injuries happen and yes thats a concern, but the guy has really won me over and has me excited to watch next season.

Players who can break down a defense to score and create for others while being a plus defender are hard to find. I really hope we can keep him with a fair deal for both sides. Hes a Heat type player who wants to be here or at least did well see.

I respect your opinion. I could see why he’s won over a lot of Heat fans during this playoff run and frankly we would have set all time playoff low records without his scoring last game. His defense has been stellar getting steals and deflections consistently. All that said, I would be delighted if he would should stay for like a 1 year 20 million dollar deal or something like that so we can properly assess him over a course of a full season. I would then have no issue extending him another 3 years after that if he proves he can withstand the rigors of an 82 game season while also consistently giving us a viable scoring threat

[greg4012]

A lot of soft-shouldered posters in here giving up hope despite all this team has shown this season

[3ammy3uck3ts]

A lot of soft-shouldered posters in here giving up hope despite all this team has shown this season

You HATE to see it.

[3ammy3uck3ts]

This WILL be a fat W

Fixed it for you

[wade44]

A lot of soft-shouldered posters in here giving up hope despite all this team has shown this season

There is a lot of reason to be concerned after last game but all will be forgotten if we come out motivated and win tonight. Team seems to play best when the fans and media has basically written them off