2025-26 Miami Heat Regular Season Thread 2.0

[Crazy-Canuck]

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With the extra practice time due to the cup games and bam, ware, and wiggins staying after practice to get more work in together, hopefully it means that spo is going to end the 3 guard line ups for good.

Build that chemistry!

[Beenie]

NGL, the twitter storm of Giannis rumors feels like the setup to a punchline

[3ammy3uck3ts]

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With the extra practice time due to the cup games and bam, ware, and wiggins staying after practice to get more work in together, hopefully it means that spo is going to end the 3 guard line ups for good.

Build that chemistry!

I think this is normal for those 3 but we’ll see!

[Tim_Hardawayy]

I wonder if you're more deterministic on this not working than I am. I need to see it play out. The basic principles of the new offense are supposed to set the rules for making space for each other.

That's my issue with the framing of the conversation from certain posters, they're speaking conclusively about things we haven't seen yet based on assumptions that were already somewhat proven wrong already. We have a longer sample size of Tyler succeeding at point guard last season than we do of this season's nice start where people are claiming he destroyed the chemistry, and I see posters handwaving it away as "a looter in a riot last season". It's not an honest appraisal, its arguing from the conclusion backwards, which I understand we do a lot as humans, but if we're Heat fans first, the objective should be to figure out what works best for the team, not let our biases guide us.

Otherwise great posts on the subject. I'll just add that a lot of the anti Herro bias, the talking points I see repeated on here, I'd have been fully onboard with pre second half of the 23-24 season. From that point on, moreso last season, and even into this year, I do not think Herro is the same player that's being portrayed. The defense is still a weakness, but a lot of the complaints on offense are overblown or even wrong at this point, he doesn't hunt his shots, he does take a few irrational confidence shots still though he makes enough to justify it, and the entire team's efficiency tends to go up when he plays.

The smart thing to do is to figure out how to maximize that and minimize the pressure he puts on your defense, rather than throwing the baby out with the bath water. Not every player is a Bam, who is a jack of all trades that can just sort of do what you ask them to do. Some players are specialists, true, but you should try to maximize your specialists, not treat them like jack of all trades and then throw your hands up in the air and give up when they can't do the same thing.

EDIT: Also pet peeve of mine, but if you're reposting some other teams player talking about attacking our guy as some sort of own that's bush league, you should be a Heat fan and want the other team to eat **** when they talk like that. Instead of attacking our guys, pay the fine and get Keshad or someone to punch that dude in the **** mouth. That's how the 90's Heat would've done it, if someone attacked Voshon Lenard or Jamal Mashburn we wouldn't go "oh yeah they are soft", P.J. Brown would flip you into the **** stands.

[3ammy3uck3ts]

To be clear I’m not saying Tyler as a “looter in a riot” with his play at PG, I believe I said a few weeks ago that I actually think he could do well there and put up some high assist number games if he fully leans in to the role. I was speaking more towards my comment that he doesn’t impact winning despite his impact numbers being good last year in a terrible season, and we have much more of a sample size of that being the case for the course of his career

[Tim_Hardawayy]

To be clear I’m not saying Tyler as a “looter in a riot” with his play at PG, I believe I said a few weeks ago that I actually think he could do well there and put up some high assist number games if he fully leans in to the role. I was speaking more towards my comment that he doesn’t impact winning despite his impact numbers being good last year in a terrible season, and we have much more of a sample size of that being the case for the course of his career

I still disagree, because he impacted winning last season as much as some want to hand wave away that season. It would have been incredibly easy after Jimmy's antics for that team to implode and win 20 games (possibly would have helped more in the long run too, but that's another topic). But they actually came together (after an initial losing streak that wasn't as bad as it looked on paper with a lot of them being lost in the final minutes/seconds) and had an impressive run just to get to the playoffs.

I understand performing in the playoffs is another bar you still have to cross, but even there, my point is he's a different player from second half of 23/24 on. Well what's our sample size? In 23/24, he has to adjust to Jimmy going down in the first game of the playoffs and becoming the #1 option. Does actually lead us to a win, we get stomped the rest of the series, but have to factor in we're losing to the eventual champions. Then last year, the entire team let us down. That was a team wide implosion, whatever some punk like Garland wants to say, Cleveland was blistering hot from 3 and nobody on the Heat stepped up.

To add to that, just as I don't think Bam is a Wade level player and I can't get mad at him for not going off solo when the team is letting him down, Herro isn't either. The lesson from last years series should be nobody on the team is a #1, not that Herro sank our chances (how can anyone say that with a straight face when we're getting blown out, if anything you need a close series to point to 1 player as the problem that cost you).

All that to say, no Tyler hasn't proven himself at that level yet. But I don't view him as someone who conclusively couldn't do it either, in fact I'm confident just in the way he holds himself, on a team that tried to maximize his talents he'd be a positive contributor.

But I'm not going to say the rest of his career doesn't count at all, so its fair to question whether he really changed. And I understand some can't let go of things like the team going on a run in 22/23 after he went down to injury. All I'm saying is, if this Giannis dream doesn't work out, it would behoove us to at least try to get the most out of Tyler while he's still here, rather than treat him like the albatross that some have for several years now because the Heat couldn't deal him for the star they really wanted (and there's circumstances there we can argue about, I don't believe some of the rumors like Barry claiming we held him out of trades, I think Tyler's trade value is overstated for some of those and the Dame situation was out of our control).

[3ammy3uck3ts]

To be clear I’m not saying Tyler as a “looter in a riot” with his play at PG, I believe I said a few weeks ago that I actually think he could do well there and put up some high assist number games if he fully leans in to the role. I was speaking more towards my comment that he doesn’t impact winning despite his impact numbers being good last year in a terrible season, and we have much more of a sample size of that being the case for the course of his career

I still disagree, because he impacted winning last season as much as some want to hand wave away that season. It would have been incredibly easy after Jimmy's antics for that team to implode and win 20 games (possibly would have helped more in the long run too, but that's another topic). But they actually came together (after an initial losing streak that wasn't as bad as it looked on paper with a lot of them being lost in the final minutes/seconds) and had an impressive run just to get to the playoffs.

I understand performing in the playoffs is another bar you still have to cross, but even there, my point is he's a different player from second half of 23/24 on. Well what's our sample size? In 23/24, he has to adjust to Jimmy going down in the first game of the playoffs and becoming the #1 option. Does actually lead us to a win, we get stomped the rest of the series, but have to factor in we're losing to the eventual champions. Then last year, the entire team let us down. That was a team wide implosion, whatever some punk like Garland wants to say, Cleveland was blistering hot from 3 and nobody on the Heat stepped up.

To add to that, just as I don't think Bam is a Wade level player and I can't get mad at him for not going off solo when the team is letting him down, Herro isn't either. The lesson from last years series should be nobody on the team is a #1, not that Herro sank our chances (how can anyone say that with a straight face when we're getting blown out, if anything you need a close series to point to 1 player as the problem that cost you).

All that to say, no Tyler hasn't proven himself at that level yet. But I don't view him as someone who conclusively couldn't do it either, in fact I'm confident just in the way he holds himself, on a team that tried to maximize his talents he'd be a positive contributor.

But I'm not going to say the rest of his career doesn't count at all, so it’s fair to question whether he really changed. And I understand some can't let go of things like the team going on a run in 22/23 after he went down to injury. All I'm saying is, if this Giannis dream doesn't work out, it would behoove us to at least try to get the most out of Tyler while he's still here, rather than treat him like the albatross that some have for several years now because the Heat couldn't deal him for the star they really wanted (and there's circumstances there we can argue about, I don't believe some of the rumors like Barry claiming we held him out of trades, I think Tyler's trade value is overstated for some of those and the Dame situation was out of our control).

Yeah I think we’re pretty much agreeing on last season, he DID impact winning and put up good numbers last season. For the duration of his career and especially in the playoffs (even outside of us getting better when he went down in 2023) that has not been the case, hence the “looter in a riot” comment. Now if he’s able to regain that form and impact winning to the level he did last season (without others impact falling off along the way) we should actually be able to string together quite a few wins and have a very successful season.

[twix2500]

For as fun as it was to start the season with a "high scoring" offense, Miami still wasn't a top 10 offense in ORTG. The goal shouldn't be to get back to where it was before--that's the goal for the defense. The goal for the offense needs to be to get to better than it was before. That's why you need to find a way to maximize Herro and Powell with Bam and Ware IMO. Still hunt for transition opportunities (even if we get a few less of them). Still prioritize quick decisions and move the ball. Still maintain the wheel rotating principles.

The end goal shouldn't be to be the fastest team in the NBA at all costs. It should be to be the best offense possible while maintaining defensive integrity.

I've tried to make it a point throughout this season to show people the offensive and defensive ratings so they wouldn't be misled by the team being the highest-scoring team.

Most did not see that a lot of the team's offensive success was related to how well the defense was causing turnovers. As I mentioned earlier before Herro's return the team was averaging 21 plus points off of turnovers. As I am pointing this out again, I do not think people understand how huge of an impact that was.

[greg4012]

For as fun as it was to start the season with a "high scoring" offense, Miami still wasn't a top 10 offense in ORTG. The goal shouldn't be to get back to where it was before--that's the goal for the defense. The goal for the offense needs to be to get to better than it was before. That's why you need to find a way to maximize Herro and Powell with Bam and Ware IMO. Still hunt for transition opportunities (even if we get a few less of them). Still prioritize quick decisions and move the ball. Still maintain the wheel rotating principles.

The end goal shouldn't be to be the fastest team in the NBA at all costs. It should be to be the best offense possible while maintaining defensive integrity.

I've tried to make it a point throughout this season to show people the offensive and defensive ratings so they wouldn't be misled by the team being the highest-scoring team.

Most did not see that a lot of the team's offensive success was related to how well the defense was causing turnovers. As I mentioned earlier before Herro's return the team was averaging 21 plus points off of turnovers.

Yup always helpful to tune into the underlying team ORTG and DRTG to gauge how a unit is really producing. What's telling is that even with that uptick in turnovers and points off turnovers, Miami's ORTG wasn't cracking top 10. ORTG accounts for transition points (it encompasses all possessions). It's why I believe we need to be in search for even higher upside on offense than just the pre-Herro start if we want to enter any contender conversation.

Getting defense right always comes first for me, though.

[3ammy3uck3ts]

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[SA37]

To be clear I’m not saying Tyler as a “looter in a riot” with his play at PG, I believe I said a few weeks ago that I actually think he could do well there and put up some high assist number games if he fully leans in to the role. I was speaking more towards my comment that he doesn’t impact winning despite his impact numbers being good last year in a terrible season, and we have much more of a sample size of that being the case for the course of his career

I still disagree, because he impacted winning last season as much as some want to hand wave away that season. It would have been incredibly easy after Jimmy's antics for that team to implode and win 20 games (possibly would have helped more in the long run too, but that's another topic). But they actually came together (after an initial losing streak that wasn't as bad as it looked on paper with a lot of them being lost in the final minutes/seconds) and had an impressive run just to get to the playoffs.

I understand performing in the playoffs is another bar you still have to cross, but even there, my point is he's a different player from second half of 23/24 on. Well what's our sample size? In 23/24, he has to adjust to Jimmy going down in the first game of the playoffs and becoming the #1 option. Does actually lead us to a win, we get stomped the rest of the series, but have to factor in we're losing to the eventual champions. Then last year, the entire team let us down. That was a team wide implosion, whatever some punk like Garland wants to say, Cleveland was blistering hot from 3 and nobody on the Heat stepped up.

To add to that, just as I don't think Bam is a Wade level player and I can't get mad at him for not going off solo when the team is letting him down, Herro isn't either. The lesson from last years series should be nobody on the team is a #1, not that Herro sank our chances (how can anyone say that with a straight face when we're getting blown out, if anything you need a close series to point to 1 player as the problem that cost you).

All that to say, no Tyler hasn't proven himself at that level yet. But I don't view him as someone who conclusively couldn't do it either, in fact I'm confident just in the way he holds himself, on a team that tried to maximize his talents he'd be a positive contributor.

But I'm not going to say the rest of his career doesn't count at all, so its fair to question whether he really changed. And I understand some can't let go of things like the team going on a run in 22/23 after he went down to injury. All I'm saying is, if this Giannis dream doesn't work out, it would behoove us to at least try to get the most out of Tyler while he's still here, rather than treat him like the albatross that some have for several years now because the Heat couldn't deal him for the star they really wanted (and there's circumstances there we can argue about, I don't believe some of the rumors like Barry claiming we held him out of trades, I think Tyler's trade value is overstated for some of those and the Dame situation was out of our control).

A few points:

1. While it is a relatively small sample size, Miami has played better without Herro than with. Maybe that is an outlier, maybe not. But it certainly puts a dent in the "Herro impact" narrative.

Whatever we all might think of Herro individually, I think it is clear the FO is undecided on what to do with Herro. To me, it is much less about Herro as a player and more about at what price does Herro go from being an asset to an onerous contract. IMO, that number is in the $30-35M/season. At ~$40-$45M season, I'd rather see Miami pass.

2. Bam reminds me a lot of Alonzo Mourning in terms of him being an excellent player, but just not having that star quality. I still think Herro is a better shooting version of CJ McCollum.

[greg4012]

1. While it is a relatively small sample size, Miami has played better without Herro than with. Maybe that is an outlier, maybe not. But it certainly puts a dent in the "Herro impact" narrative.

Miami Heat ratings in games without Herro this season (19 games):

115.57 ORTG
111.6 DRTG
+4 net rating

Tyler Herro ratings on the season (6 games; only accounting for minutes he's on the floor):
112.9 ORTG
109.3 DRTG
+3.6 net rating

We're looking at a +0.4 swing in total net rating on the season without Herro, with these being his first 6 games back after surgery in a new offense and inconsistent rotations.


If we want to expand the sample size to last season...

Miami Heat ratings in games without Herro last season(5 games):

107 ORTG
115.36 DRTG
-8.36 net rating

Miami Heat ratings in games without Herro post-Jimmy trade (4 games):

105.9 ORTG
114 DRTG
-8.1 DRTG

Tyler Herro ratings on the season (77 games; only accounting for minutes he's on the floor):
113.9 ORTG
112.6 DRTG
+1.3 net rating

Tyler Herro ratings on the season post-Jimmy trade (33 games):
114.5 ORTG
110.9 DRTG
+3.6 net rating

[twix2500]

For as fun as it was to start the season with a "high scoring" offense, Miami still wasn't a top 10 offense in ORTG. The goal shouldn't be to get back to where it was before--that's the goal for the defense. The goal for the offense needs to be to get to better than it was before. That's why you need to find a way to maximize Herro and Powell with Bam and Ware IMO. Still hunt for transition opportunities (even if we get a few less of them). Still prioritize quick decisions and move the ball. Still maintain the wheel rotating principles.

The end goal shouldn't be to be the fastest team in the NBA at all costs. It should be to be the best offense possible while maintaining defensive integrity.

I've tried to make it a point throughout this season to show people the offensive and defensive ratings so they wouldn't be misled by the team being the highest-scoring team.

Most did not see that a lot of the team's offensive success was related to how well the defense was causing turnovers. As I mentioned earlier before Herro's return the team was averaging 21 plus points off of turnovers.

Yup always helpful to tune into the underlying team ORTG and DRTG to gauge how a unit is really producing. What's telling is that even with that uptick in turnovers and points off turnovers, Miami's ORTG wasn't cracking top 10. ORTG accounts for transition points (it encompasses all possessions). It's why I believe we need to be in search for even higher upside on offense than just the pre-Herro start if we want to enter any contender conversation.

Getting defense right always comes first for me, though.

The offense was improving and evolving as you seen Bam and Wiggins getting more comfortable offensively. It was so hard to see because the offense was so streaky. But there was a trend. Without a trend line the offense was looking like a heart monitor, a lot of lows and highs.





Sorry I just made a quick chart while im moving

[SA37]

1. While it is a relatively small sample size, Miami has played better without Herro than with. Maybe that is an outlier, maybe not. But it certainly puts a dent in the "Herro impact" narrative.

Miami Heat ratings in games without Herro this season (19 games):

115.57 ORTG
111.6 DRTG
+4 net rating

Tyler Herro ratings on the season (6 games; only accounting for minutes he's on the floor):
112.9 ORTG
109.3 DRTG
+3.6 net rating

We're looking at a +0.4 swing in total net rating on the season without Herro, with these being his first 6 games back after surgery in a new offense and inconsistent rotations.

Spoiler:

If we want to expand the sample size to last season...

Miami Heat ratings in games without Herro last season(5 games):

107 ORTG
115.36 DRTG
-8.36 net rating

Miami Heat ratings in games without Herro post-Jimmy trade (4 games):

105.9 ORTG
114 DRTG
-8.1 DRTG

Tyler Herro ratings on the season (77 games; only accounting for minutes he's on the floor):
113.9 ORTG
112.6 DRTG
+1.3 net rating

Tyler Herro ratings on the season post-Jimmy trade (33 games):
114.5 ORTG
110.9 DRTG
+3.6 net rating

I wouldn't use last year's numbers only because Miami has completely changed its offense, so not comparable. I'd also take this year's numbers with a grain of salt because Herro and Miami are figuring things out on the fly without the benefit of training camp.

My bigger concern is how much Herro will cost relative to Powell.

[greg4012]

1. While it is a relatively small sample size, Miami has played better without Herro than with. Maybe that is an outlier, maybe not. But it certainly puts a dent in the "Herro impact" narrative.

Miami Heat ratings in games without Herro this season (19 games):

115.57 ORTG
111.6 DRTG
+4 net rating

Tyler Herro ratings on the season (6 games; only accounting for minutes he's on the floor):
112.9 ORTG
109.3 DRTG
+3.6 net rating

We're looking at a +0.4 swing in total net rating on the season without Herro, with these being his first 6 games back after surgery in a new offense and inconsistent rotations.

Spoiler:

If we want to expand the sample size to last season...

Miami Heat ratings in games without Herro last season(5 games):

107 ORTG
115.36 DRTG
-8.36 net rating

Miami Heat ratings in games without Herro post-Jimmy trade (4 games):

105.9 ORTG
114 DRTG
-8.1 DRTG

Tyler Herro ratings on the season (77 games; only accounting for minutes he's on the floor):
113.9 ORTG
112.6 DRTG
+1.3 net rating

Tyler Herro ratings on the season post-Jimmy trade (33 games):
114.5 ORTG
110.9 DRTG
+3.6 net rating

I wouldn't use last year's numbers only because Miami has completely changed its offense, so not comparable. I'd also take this year's numbers with a grain of salt because Herro and Miami are figuring things out on the fly without the benefit of training camp.

My bigger concern is how much Herro will cost relative to Powell.

I was just responding to your point 1. I def agree that last year's numbers to this year can get noisy because of change of scheme and addition of Powell. But, I def still think there are lessons to be pulled from last year with regards to how players and lineups fit.

In a vacuum figuring out how to make the most of the roster today clearly calls for getting Herro fully integrated and not chasing a misleading notion that Miami plays better without him.

I've never been the Herro defender and I remain ready to ship him out for a fruitful trade and avoid the difficult contract extension decisions, but some of the rhetoric these days is pushing it to me having to defend.

I enjoyed the start of the season as much as anyone, but it seems like some want to hang a banner for it. I was always concerned about the offense improving.

[greg4012]

I've tried to make it a point throughout this season to show people the offensive and defensive ratings so they wouldn't be misled by the team being the highest-scoring team.

Most did not see that a lot of the team's offensive success was related to how well the defense was causing turnovers. As I mentioned earlier before Herro's return the team was averaging 21 plus points off of turnovers.

Yup always helpful to tune into the underlying team ORTG and DRTG to gauge how a unit is really producing. What's telling is that even with that uptick in turnovers and points off turnovers, Miami's ORTG wasn't cracking top 10. ORTG accounts for transition points (it encompasses all possessions). It's why I believe we need to be in search for even higher upside on offense than just the pre-Herro start if we want to enter any contender conversation.

Getting defense right always comes first for me, though.

The offense was improving and evolving as you seen Bam and Wiggins getting more comfortable offensively. It was so hard to see because the offense was so streaky. But there was a trend. Without a trend line the offense was looking like a heart monitor, a lot of lows and highs.





Sorry I just made a quick chart while im moving

I mean we all know that Miami was playing well then went on a slide. I guess I'm wondering what's your underlying point?

I think much of that chart reflects that Miami can build something and progress with some consistency of lineups. Through the first 8 games of the season, everyone except Herro and Norm were available for all 8 games. Norm missed 3 and Miami had the benefit of novelty. Through the first 17 games of the season, the majority of the roster was available for every game. Wiggins missed 2 of 17, Jovic missed 3 of 17, Powell missed 3 of 17, and Bam missed 6 of 17. Ware emerged and played great.

Since that point, Miami has played in 8 games and had a different lineup virtually every game. Only Bam, Dru Smith (backup PG on 16 mpg) and Ware (backup C on 23 mpg) have been available for all 8 games.

Nonetheless, during none of those stretches was Miami playing as a top 10 offense. The defense was great until the recent stretch and that is priority 1 to get back.

Thru 11/5 (8 games; with Bam; no Herro): DRTG of 110.6

11/5 to 11/23 (11 games; Bam missed 7; no Herro): DRTG of 111.7

11/24 to Present (8 games; Bam played in all; Herro missed 2): DRTG of 113.6

Games without Herro during this stretch (2 games)

106.9 ORTG; 115.3 DRTG

Games with Herro during this stretch (6 games)

112.6 ORTG; 113 DRTG

[KGtabake]

Can you please get my boy out of Milwaukee?
I don't want to watch him waste the rest of his prime anymore.

[Voltron914]

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i hope the meeting about Rozier's contract comes to some kind of wink wink mutual agreement that his contract can be used in a trade for Giannis if by some slim chance we actually get to talk with the bucks. i dont know the numbers but Herro Rozier a young player of their choice and some picks im cool with

[Tim_Hardawayy]

1. While it is a relatively small sample size, Miami has played better without Herro than with. Maybe that is an outlier, maybe not. But it certainly puts a dent in the "Herro impact" narrative.

Miami Heat ratings in games without Herro this season (19 games):

115.57 ORTG
111.6 DRTG
+4 net rating

Tyler Herro ratings on the season (6 games; only accounting for minutes he's on the floor):
112.9 ORTG
109.3 DRTG
+3.6 net rating

We're looking at a +0.4 swing in total net rating on the season without Herro, with these being his first 6 games back after surgery in a new offense and inconsistent rotations.

Spoiler:

If we want to expand the sample size to last season...

Miami Heat ratings in games without Herro last season(5 games):

107 ORTG
115.36 DRTG
-8.36 net rating

Miami Heat ratings in games without Herro post-Jimmy trade (4 games):

105.9 ORTG
114 DRTG
-8.1 DRTG

Tyler Herro ratings on the season (77 games; only accounting for minutes he's on the floor):
113.9 ORTG
112.6 DRTG
+1.3 net rating

Tyler Herro ratings on the season post-Jimmy trade (33 games):
114.5 ORTG
110.9 DRTG
+3.6 net rating

I wouldn't use last year's numbers only because Miami has completely changed its offense, so not comparable. I'd also take this year's numbers with a grain of salt because Herro and Miami are figuring things out on the fly without the benefit of training camp.

My bigger concern is how much Herro will cost relative to Powell.

I'm not trying to be too argumentative, but this is exactly what I mean by people trying to logic their way into the "Herro bad" narrative by starting from the conclusion and working backwards.

I'm not a player fan, even the best player in our franchise history, if you read my posts at the time from back then, I was supportive of the Heat letting Wade walk in 2016 because it was the right move at the time for our franchise. In retrospect maybe it would've been a better story to keep him, but for the roster, that was objectively the right move.

Similarly, with Herro, objectively I've seen the change in his game as a player. After the 2023 Finals, his stock could not have been lower, he had been a shoot first chucker who didn't play defense and was riding on a nice showing as a rookie, and we just saw a Heat team go on an amazing run that coincided with him missing the entire playoffs. I was right there with everyone else pleading to get Dame in exchange for a package around him. You can check my posts from back then, I had his bags packed for Portland.

But I'd say from around the second half of 2024, definitely throughout last season, and even in the few games he's played this season, he grew as a player. His defense still sucks because he's not big or strong enough and that's probably always going to be the case, which is why I plead with Spo to just play him at point guard. But he's become an extremely smart and savvy player on offense, his chucks are far fewer (and he makes enough of them to justify it to some degree), and he actually runs offense really well. He gets to the line more, too. His only real weakness as far as something you'd ask of him is he can sometimes falter against hyper aggressive on ball defense, but that's only an issue if you're fielding some weird lineup with no other ball handling like we had to last year after the Jimmy trade, we have other options now, like a reinvigorated Jaime, or Norm Powell, such that teams can't just take that away like we used to.

In fact, I think the answer to Herro's playtime is so obvious, just ensure he plays next to one of Powell, Davion, or Dru, to give him someone to alleviate ball handling responsibilities, but limit it to only one of those players so that you aren't handicapping your size on the floor.

Granted none of this matters if the Giannis deal gets done. And it still may not matter if Herro tries to angle for too large a contract. But for now, he's here and we have to make the best of it.

[VaDe255]

To be clear I’m not saying Tyler as a “looter in a riot” with his play at PG, I believe I said a few weeks ago that I actually think he could do well there and put up some high assist number games if he fully leans in to the role. I was speaking more towards my comment that he doesn’t impact winning despite his impact numbers being good last year in a terrible season, and we have much more of a sample size of that being the case for the course of his career

everyone keeps repeating the same nonsense, the last 5 years when Tyler is on the court the team is winning his minutes and is objectively better (positive net rating and a +3.4 swing, also positive in each year respectively), even this year it's a +9.77 point swing

it's literally based on absolutely nothing but subjective bias