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Re: Fire Spoelstra 

Post#1201 » by andre316 » Mon Mar 7, 2011 10:40 pm

BennyGfromFL wrote:
WindhorstESPN Brian Windhorst
Erik Spoelstra on what he termed "crygate": "It's a classic case of sensationalism" by media. Said he didn't regret saying it.


Spo hardheaded? Blind to his mistakes? Shirking accountability? There's a real shocker.

Spo is like a coherent George W. Bush, when what we need is Harry S. Truman: "The buck stops here."

IraHeatBeat Ira Winderman
There is no "sensationalism" by the media when a team has a sensationalistic celebration before even playing its first game together.

One of these people (hint: he doesn't have an Olympic gold medal) wasn't on stage that night for a reason:

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Re: Fire Spoelstra 

Post#1202 » by GameTime_3 » Mon Mar 7, 2011 10:57 pm

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There’s a lot of blame to go around, but I think the lion’s share goes to [Erik] Spoelstra. Scouts say the Heat are running the same offense they ran last season with Wade (when it was “give the ball to Wade and let him create everything”). Now, though, it’s “give the ball to LeBron and let him create it all.” How do you not spend all summer devising an offense that will use and maximize the talents of each member of the Big Three?

Scouts also tell me the Heat’s offense is among the most basic in the league. They hardly ever post up.


http://nba-point-forward.si.com/2011/03 ... s-fiction/

Take that Spo lovers!!!


If they still can't see it, they never will. Nothing has changed in 3 years with him. I remember when he was about to be promoted and then when he got the job, all he talked about was creating a faster offense and more creative approach to basketball. Once get got the job he stayed the course(Slow down system) and once he got Lebron/Bosh all he talked about is creating an offense. Once the season got closer he talked about how he simplified the offense and wanted to make it more basic.
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Re: Fire Spoelstra 

Post#1203 » by Axel » Mon Mar 7, 2011 11:10 pm

Damn you Spo! Snake bitten again!!

Even though this thread was dead when I last logged on, I just knew that it was going to be revived after such a brutal stretch of losses. What's really ridiculous for me is that I don't have league pass or sun sports, so I have seen nothing but their pathetic efforts on National TV. There's no way the majority of the viewing public can take this team seriously. I swear I think I've seen them win one game this season vs. 10 - 12 losses.... most of those where they dominated in the first half and then pissed it away in the second half. It's really frustrating... I would rather see them play the Bobcats.
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Re: Fire Spoelstra 

Post#1204 » by BennyGfromFL » Tue Mar 8, 2011 1:22 am

jmbflame21 wrote:
There’s a lot of blame to go around, but I think the lion’s share goes to [Erik] Spoelstra. Scouts say the Heat are running the same offense they ran last season with Wade (when it was “give the ball to Wade and let him create everything”). Now, though, it’s “give the ball to LeBron and let him create it all.” How do you not spend all summer devising an offense that will use and maximize the talents of each member of the Big Three?

Scouts also tell me the Heat’s offense is among the most basic in the league. They hardly ever post up.


http://nba-point-forward.si.com/2011/03 ... s-fiction/

Take that Spo lovers!!!


The linked article actually defends Spo and uses the Broussard quote as a counterpoint. However, it loses ALL credibility early on with this statement:

This stuff happens, on dozens of possessions, in every game. It is especially common out of timeouts, when Miami runs some of the most devastating stuff in the league. The notion that Miami’s offense is simplistic compared to the average NBA offense is false.


Having seen just about every play out of a timeout this season, I can speak with complete certainty that this dude is talking out of his ass.
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Re: Fire Spoelstra 

Post#1205 » by mh_3 » Tue Mar 8, 2011 1:26 am

BennyGfromFL wrote:
This stuff happens, on dozens of possessions, in every game. It is especially common out of timeouts, when Miami runs some of the most devastating stuff in the league. The notion that Miami’s offense is simplistic compared to the average NBA offense is false.


Having seen just about every play out of a timeout this season, I can speak with complete certainty that this dude is talking out of his ass.


Not to mention, that's a huge slap to the face for coaches that create brilliant "out-of-timeout" plays, like Pop, Doc, Phil, etc. I mean, even coaches like Adelman, Karl, and McMillan.
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Re: Fire Spoelstra 

Post#1206 » by kenyu_weed » Tue Mar 8, 2011 4:58 am

jmbflame21 wrote:
This Bosh as our center thing is not working out... Please put in Dampier


wade and james are playing dumb thats why, we all have 15 foot shot shooters and beyond on the floor

let wade and james work the post and keep miller and bosh outside with bibby

this forces duncan to defend and keep him off the boards or help and leave bosh open.

same with blair


its funny but i've been saying this, and i have other quotes where i say more of the same and running the offense through bosh (we all seen seen how poor we played without bosh in the game/lineup)

if gasol is a major piece in L.A why cant bosh be here he's smart enough and can make the necessary pass in the 2'nd half our big should be closing out the game.

i've been talking about posting james and wade and taking out the oppositions big's out the game every time james and wade post a high percentage shot is posted up or something good happens once they are doubled.




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Re: Fire Spoelstra 

Post#1207 » by cavsfan_osiris » Tue Mar 8, 2011 5:32 am

mh_3 wrote:
BennyGfromFL wrote:
This stuff happens, on dozens of possessions, in every game. It is especially common out of timeouts, when Miami runs some of the most devastating stuff in the league. The notion that Miami’s offense is simplistic compared to the average NBA offense is false.


Having seen just about every play out of a timeout this season, I can speak with complete certainty that this dude is talking out of his ass.


Not to mention, that's a huge slap to the face for coaches that create brilliant "out-of-timeout" plays, like Pop, Doc, Phil, etc. I mean, even coaches like Adelman, Karl, and McMillan.


I know he's probably not the type of coach you guys are thinking of to replace Spo, I'd love to see what Adelman could do with this roster. I wanted Adelman to coach the Cavs while LeBron was here.
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Re: Fire Spoelstra 

Post#1208 » by Flashpoint » Tue Mar 8, 2011 5:41 am

andre316 wrote:One of these people (hint: he doesn't have an Olympic gold medal) wasn't on stage that night for a reason:

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:lol: What the hells is Spo standing on to be taller than Wade? I imagine Joel is crouched under the frame and Spo is standing on his back.
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Re: Fire Spoelstra 

Post#1209 » by salqaddoumi » Tue Mar 8, 2011 6:19 am

Tim_Hardawayy wrote:
3LiftHeatCurse wrote:"There is nothing more we can do." - Spoelstra

You know what I can't stand?

When Riley was the coach, Ira used to do everything to doubt him and undermine him through his column. Never really believed in the guy, always sided with the players.

But now with Erik, its like he's taken the polar opposite stance. Consistently questions the players, defends all of Spoelstra's comments and decisions.

I've never considered Ira much of a basketball expert (just look at some of his trade suggestions over the years) even though he's by far the best reporter we have covering our team in terms of facts, and this just helps to confirm it for me. He's choosing what will help get him a story over who is truly a good coach. He'd slam Riley because he wouldn't give him any info, and sticks up for Spo because he tells Ira everything.


I think you answered your own question there with your final line there.

It comes down to this: Whether they admit it or not, players/coaches/executives read what the writers say about them. A beat writer that is with a team 24/7 for 7 months straight cannot dare to criticize a coach or else he could lose some of his access to that individual.

The Sun Sports crew bugs me more than Ira does, they'll criticize their own family before they even consider putting any onus or responsibility on Spoelstra.
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Post#1210 » by Flashpoint » Tue Mar 8, 2011 6:34 am

Maybe I watched Hoosiers too many times as a kid, but I believe in coaching being critical to the game of basketball. A lot of Spo apologists like to minimize the importance of coaching or overlook the difficulty in becoming a championship head coach. The last 30 NBA titles have been won by the same 8 coaches. They all had previous experience as a player in the league or as a head coach. A common thread is that most chip winning HC's had profound basketball experiences in college whether it was playing under a legendary coach, invited to the US Olympic team or some other dramatic influence.

Spo doesn't have any of that. What he's being asked to do is unprecedented. It's unreasonable to expect him to be a championship caliber coach. Especially at such a young age. Riley may have acted out of ego and he deserves blame for allowing ego to cripple his basketball genius. In S Florida we've seen coaches in other sports let their egos get the best of them. I hold Riley above the JJ's and Sabans. He's better than they were. He needs to do what's best for this team. I've spent all year hoping Spo confounds me. That he can win a championship despite what history tells us. Despite everything I've seen and heard from him. I'm still going to hope for that and root for it over the next few months. But it feels like rooting for a miracle which is just silly when we're talking about one of the greatest assemblages of talent in the league's history.
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Re: Fire Spoelstra 

Post#1211 » by OceanBlue » Tue Mar 8, 2011 7:19 am

Flashpoint wrote:Maybe I watched Hoosiers too many times as a kid, but I believe in coaching being critical to the game of basketball. A lot of Spo apologists like to minimize the importance of coaching or overlook the difficulty in becoming a championship head coach. The last 30 NBA titles have been won by the same 8 coaches. They all had previous experience as a player in the league or as a head coach. A common thread is that most chip winning HC's had profound basketball experiences in college whether it was playing under a legendary coach, invited to the US Olympic team or some other dramatic influence.

Spo doesn't have any of that. What he's being asked to do is unprecedented. It's unreasonable to expect him to be a championship caliber coach. Especially at such a young age. Riley may have acted out of ego and he deserves blame for allowing ego to cripple his basketball genius. In S Florida we've seen coaches in other sports let their egos get the best of them. I hold Riley above the JJ's and Sabans. He's better than they were. He needs to do what's best for this team. I've spent all year hoping Spo confounds me. That he can win a championship despite what history tells us. Despite everything I've seen and heard from him. I'm still going to hope for that and root for it over the next few months. But it feels like rooting for a miracle which is just silly when we're talking about one of the greatest assemblages of talent in the league's history.

This is so on point, and is exactly what DIF does all the time, **** on the players while never demanding anything from the coach. Anyone who knows anything about team sports knows coaches MATTER! I'd love to see the big 3 out talent the rest of the league and win a 'chip but that is pretty far fetched when you've got Sporon throwing monkey wrenches into their gears over and over again. I just hope this doesn't continue into next season, because I'm so exhausted seeing the same BS script year, after year, after year! This is all I can stands and I can't stands no more!!!
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Post#1212 » by 2ThouTeninator » Tue Mar 8, 2011 5:57 pm

I'm not a Heat fan but I wanted to weigh in politely with some outside observations:

- Spoelstra has some stuff to learn and does not seem as sly or sharp as his mentor, Riley, but I admire his hard work and his focus on defense. I think he is a good young coach who focuses on the right things. Whether he can become great -- I can see why you guys doubt that. Someone mentioned a certain lack of common sense or innate sense of the game. That could be. But focusing the Heat around defense is certainly the right way to go. And he seems like a workaholic. A young JVG I suppose.

- The Heat's press conference on the day they all signed is eerily and directly parallel to GW Bush's "Mission Accomplished" speech. That also became a lightning rod for critics but what happened after? Well the war was eventually won. The Heat is too good. They will overcome this and rise back up. And going through this tough time might very well come in handy come spring. You will be battle tested.

In the end, I can't see any team in the East beating Miami except Boston and you guys still have a good chance to knock out Boston. If not, Boston is aging and you can inherit the East. Chicago is just not good enough. They beat you guys by a combined 8 points. It wreaks of a fluke that both Chicago and New York were able to win those games. Luck.

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Post#1213 » by Cloud765 » Tue Mar 8, 2011 7:44 pm

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Post#1214 » by DWadeno3 » Tue Mar 8, 2011 10:26 pm

After reading this http://basketball.realgm.com/wiretap/211916/Chuck_Person_Helping_In_Bynums_Defensive_Surge, I wonder if our assistant coaches every get a chance to mention this kinda stuff to Spoelstra and force him to change our defensive schemes. When Bynum returned, he actually was running around on the perimeter too much, similar to our centers, and now that he can camp in the paint more, the Lakers are a better defensive team. Imagine Dampier wouldn't be forced to chase guards around the perimeter anymore and be able to simply protect the basket. I mentioned this a couple of months ago. Having a big body in the paint who can block/alter shots could be huge for us. It'd only Dwyane and LeBron to play the passing lanes a lot more and create more fastbreak opportunities for us. I believe that'd get us in the open court more often than the costant trapping we're using now.
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Re: Fire Spoelstra 

Post#1215 » by 5ickwithitxx » Tue Mar 8, 2011 11:29 pm

Why hasn't this bas*trd been fired yet? Damnit lebron/wade you were suppsose to throw this B**h under the bus!!!! damn you!!
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Re: Fire Spoelstra 

Post#1216 » by andre316 » Wed Mar 9, 2011 12:15 am

2ThouTeninator wrote:- Spoelstra has some stuff to learn and does not seem as sly or sharp as his mentor, Riley, but I admire his hard work and his focus on defense. I think he is a good young coach who focuses on the right things. Whether he can become great -- I can see why you guys doubt that. Someone mentioned a certain lack of common sense or innate sense of the game. That could be. But focusing the Heat around defense is certainly the right way to go. And he seems like a workaholic. A young JVG I suppose.

The road to hell is paved with good intentions. Spo can bust his ass and have his heart in the right place, maybe even be a fairly smart guy, but if he lacks the creativity and vision to make savvy, swift, in-game decisions or tweak his beloved Riley-inherited system, and if he lacks intangibles like leadership, he is only going to be a detriment as head coach.

2ThouTeninator wrote:- The Heat's press conference on the day they all signed is eerily and directly parallel to GW Bush's "Mission Accomplished" speech. That also became a lightning rod for critics but what happened after? Well the war was eventually won. The Heat is too good. They will overcome this and rise back up. And going through this tough time might very well come in handy come spring. You will be battle tested.

Interesting analogy, but it's Spo that reminds me of Bush. He ignores evidence staring him in the face, ignores critical media, is surrounded by an echo chamber of a coaching staff, preaches the virtues of staying the course even as the results prove increasingly counterproductive, violates the privacy of those he's been entrusted to lead, never blames himself, and has done nothing to earn such an incredible responsibility.
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Post#1217 » by CB4MiamiHeat » Wed Mar 9, 2011 3:22 am

theres really no way to defend this bum anymore ..
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Post#1218 » by RJM » Wed Mar 9, 2011 3:24 am

Watching this post game press conference, you can tell that Spo's running low on shtick.
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Post#1219 » by Heat_team02 » Wed Mar 9, 2011 3:33 am

Hold the rope! There's the ticket!
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Post#1220 » by Heat_team02 » Wed Mar 9, 2011 3:38 am

You know you're in trouble when national TV analysts are mocking and talking about your statements & possibilities of being fired. Webber and Mchale spent lots of time referencing crygate tonight. Mchale doesn't think it's likely Spo gets the hook before the season ends.
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