Hassan Whiteside: Road To The Max

[Slot Machine]

All that work the team put with him since he got to Miami obviously was for nothing....

http://allucanheat.com/2015/04/17/miami-heat-to-create-development-program-for-hassan-whiteside/

Okay, so you tell me. How has Hassan improved since last season? Most would agree he was better last season or at the very least, pretty much the same, so I'd like to hear from you how our specific development program for him has helped.

[gom]

Hassan's post game looks better than it was last year. He started the year making fewer fouls (last night was an exception) in minutes played, so he is more disciplined. He also seems to be hitting jump shots and free throws better (especially recently.)

He still has plenty to improve, but to deny that he has improved is quite simply wrong.

[Chalm Down]

All that work the team put with him since he got to Miami obviously was for nothing....

http://allucanheat.com/2015/04/17/miami-heat-to-create-development-program-for-hassan-whiteside/

Okay, so you tell me. How has Hassan improved since last season? Most would agree he was better last season or at the very least, pretty much the same, so I'd like to hear from you how our specific development program for him has helped.

• Foul rate has gone down

• Free throw % has improved

• More versatile defensively (He would never leave the paint last year. At least he's starting to get out on shooters recently).

• Better on-court composure

• Better passing (He pretty much never passed last year. It's obviously still a work in progress, but he's been better this year.)

I don't know if Miami is one of the only organizations that could have helped him, but I definitely think he's a better player this year.

[Rich2Hassan]

I wouldn't call it perfect because I don't believe there is such a thing but this is where he has experienced most of his success so I would least call it a "good organization" for him.

Spoiler:

Are you familiar with the concepts of a winning organization/culture/veteran presence?

Those make us a great org for him.

Oh, and we found him in him trash and developed him till now, the only place he saw success in his career.

Is that enough?

Outside of the complete dumpster fire franchises, Hassan would have done what he's done here almost anywhere else he could get PT. He only really got PT when we were pretty much forced to give it to him due to injuries and even then, it took awhile.

We haven't developed him at all. He developed himself overseas then showed up on our doorstep last year with the exact skillset he has now. He was arguably better last year, so I'm not too impressed by our "development."

Excellent post, but most will never admit that. Hassan owes the HEAT his life, and should sign a 10 year min deal. That's how most view it. This guy always been talented, being overseas made him better and hungrier.

[goodboy]

I dont like this thread anymore.

[QUIZ]

I dont like this thread anymore.

lol

[RexBoyWonder]

Do you really believe a player like him will do as well in an organizations like the Hornets/current Lakers/Knicks/a ton of other worse run teams? I would think a Heat fan would be more aware of the importance of culture and leadership. He could of easily went off the rails in some more selfish teams without guys like Zo/Howard/Wade/Pat around him holding his hand.

Luckily it seems he's more appreciative then you towards the Heat, saving his career probably helped.

Like I said, yeah. Again, not including the franchises that are complete jokes at this point (Lakers, Phoenix, Brooklyn, Milwaukee, et al.) I think you're buying into the Heat propaganda far more than I am.

We gave him a chance, that was the biggest way we helped him. Everything else has been all him. You're free to believe all the #HeatLifer nonsense and what not, I just don't.

The cultural strength of the organization has clearly helped when it comes to things like letting LeBron's posse into the front office decision-making process but it seems to me like you're just repeating spoonfed nonsense you hear from guys who work for the Heat organization who have to say things like that.

Being a well run org on all aspects has nothing to do with "HeatLifer", If you truly think the Heat's reputation around the league for being a top notch organization top to bottom is just BS "PR" you must not follow NBA basketball for long. It's basic knowledge, has nothing to do with people being paid to lie.

If you think having guys like Wade, Pat, Zo, J.Howard around a young player that was out of the league because of his mental issues is meaningless - you don't understand things much bigger then basketball.

Running a successful team on this level is much more then "giving guys a chance". It's handling egos, knowing to how build habits, how to mange expectations, it's being a psychologist for troubled players like Hassan and yet knowing when to be a Sargent and demanding. It's having hall of famers to look up to and respect, it's seeing superstars sacrifice with your own eyes. It's earning trust, putting the effort and having the know-how on how to help a player improve.

If you don't understand this I'm not sure why you're even a Heat fan.

[Hoops23]

Will Pat Riley be considered a Whiteside hater if he trade him???

I'm sure some fans will resort to that. The only way Riles is forced to trade Hassan is if he strongly demands the money we aren't be willing to give him.

As i've stated numerous times i don't see him going anywhere. I think Riles will be able to offer him something everybody will be happy with. I'm quite confident of that! This max talk has been quite ridiculous actually.

first of, Miami is better without Hassan but even more better if he's playing.

On the part Riley trading him, money and getting a better situation or options for the Heat will be the reasons. Riley is impatient and he wants to win now. I've seen a lot of Heat trades, Riley is not afraid to pull the trigger for the right deal. The good of the franchise is first before the players.

On the part of the money, Hassan will go to a team he will be paid most. He's coming from a minimum salary, I doubt he gives Miami a discount, maybe if the other teams offer is not of a big difference. Cant blame him.

On the part of trading him, I'm open to it, but only for the right deal. As of now, the rumors and suggestions at the trade board are no good. Better hang on to Hassan and make decisions in the off-season.

[Dmcdani6]

Do you really believe a player like him will do as well in an organizations like the Hornets/current Lakers/Knicks/a ton of other worse run teams? I would think a Heat fan would be more aware of the importance of culture and leadership. He could of easily went off the rails in some more selfish teams without guys like Zo/Howard/Wade/Pat around him holding his hand.

Luckily it seems he's more appreciative then you towards the Heat, saving his career probably helped.

Like I said, yeah. Again, not including the franchises that are complete jokes at this point (Lakers, Phoenix, Brooklyn, Milwaukee, et al.) I think you're buying into the Heat propaganda far more than I am.

We gave him a chance, that was the biggest way we helped him. Everything else has been all him. You're free to believe all the #HeatLifer nonsense and what not, I just don't.

The cultural strength of the organization has clearly helped when it comes to things like letting LeBron's posse into the front office decision-making process but it seems to me like you're just repeating spoonfed nonsense you hear from guys who work for the Heat organization who have to say things like that.

Being a well run org on all aspects has nothing to do "HeatLifer", If you truly think the Heat's reputation around the league for being a top notch organization top to bottom is just BS "PR" you must not follow NBA basketball for long. It's basic knowledge, has nothing to do with people being paid to lie.

If you think having guys like Wade, Pat, Zo, J.Howard around a young player that was out of the league because of his mental issues is meaningless - you don't understand things much bigger then basketball.

Running a successful team on this level is much more then "giving guys a chance". It's handling egos, knowing to how build habits, how to mange expectations, it's being a psychologist for troubled players like Hassan and yet knowing when to be a Sargent and demanding. It's having hall of famers to look up to and respect, it's seeing superstars sacrifice with your own eyes. It's earning trust, putting the effort and having the know-how on how to help a player improve.

If you don't understand this I'm not sure why you're even a Heat fan.

Tell em, man. This x 1000

[gom]

RexBoyWonder in action:



Dude... we gotta chill. We just beat the Mavericks. I'm still celebrating.

Spoiler:

[RexBoyWonder]

RexBoyWonder in action:



Dude... we gotta chill. We just beat the Mavericks. I'm still celebrating.

Spoiler:

Im out, goodnight bru. Go easy on that delicious Vanilla!

[Hoops23]

Marc Spear said

“There’s going some interesting decisions before the trade deadline. I don’t think he’s a max player.”

And Ira W on 560WQAM

“You and I have been talking for months how much to pay Hassan, is he a max player… Now it’s interesting this style of play… with the ball moving it just makes it interesting and shows you that Pat Riley has some real thinking to do about this situation”

My reason of posting them is, the situation with Hassan is not really an easy decision to make for Riley, as some posters here failed to see.

[gom]

What should we do with Micky's money?

[QUIZ]

Marc Spear said

“There’s going some interesting decisions before the trade deadline. I don’t think he’s a max player.”

And Ira W on 560WQAM

“You and I have been talking for months how much to pay Hassan, is he a max player… Now it’s interesting this style of play… with the ball moving it just makes it interesting and shows you that Pat Riley has some real thinking to do about this situation”

My reason of posting them is, the situation with Hassan is not really an easy decision to make for Riley, as some posters here failed to see.

Echoing something Ethan Skolnik was saying, he believes that Hassan will get paid a lot of money but not many teams will be willing to commit to a full 4 years of it.

That opens up possibilities of us getting him at a lower salary in exchange for more guaranteed years.

[Hoops23]

Marc Spear said

“There’s going some interesting decisions before the trade deadline. I don’t think he’s a max player.”

And Ira W on 560WQAM

“You and I have been talking for months how much to pay Hassan, is he a max player… Now it’s interesting this style of play… with the ball moving it just makes it interesting and shows you that Pat Riley has some real thinking to do about this situation”

My reason of posting them is, the situation with Hassan is not really an easy decision to make for Riley, as some posters here failed to see.

Echoing something Ethan Skolnik was saying, he believes that Hassan will get paid a lot of money but not many teams will be willing to commit to a full 4 years of it.

That opens up possibilities of us getting him at a lower salary in exchange for more guaranteed years.

I love that if its really true.
What I'm saying here before that it will be better for Miami to sign him lower to the max but I'm really resign lately that he will get the max or closer to the max because of the market. Cant see Hassan giving Miami a discount. I really think he will take the best offer. So if the Heat wants him back, they're force to match the offer for him. And thats a big decision to make. Not really easy as some posters think.

I dont care about the owners money if he gives Hassan $30m as long as Heat is still left with $25m of cap space to add another big name free agent. The owners money is not my issue but we need to add another FA with the current core to help us be on top again. $38m of cap space is not enough..

[perempe20]

I watched the Mavs game, and Hassan was amazing. Effortless blocks, dunks and a nice pass to Deng.

[RexBoyWonder]

I watched the Mavs game, and Hassan was amazing. Effortless blocks, dunks and a nice pass to Deng.

Thx bru..enjoy Kelly Olynyk

[gom]

I watched the Mavs game, and Hassan was amazing. Effortless blocks, dunks and a nice pass to Deng.

A lot of our fan base has turned against him while he has been injured. In truth, all season long there has been a contingent arguing for a McRoberts/Bosh front court instead of playing Hassan. I don't understand basketball well enough to penetrate their reasoning, but they are louder than everyone else, so they are probably right. Sometimes they block you on Twitter when you suggest they take up foodie blogging instead.

Hassan's energetic play was both in celebration of his release from the bench and a response to their criticism. In the interview after the game he says that he still has a lot to prove. I am hoping for a good performance against Charlotte, but what I want most is that none of our team gets injured. We're still pretty brittle and the All-Star break is just a week away.

Good luck!

[Rich2Hassan]

Great game tonight by Hassan. Played way better than the guy most claim is a better fit and better player than him. #gamechanger.
Stoudemire: 7pts, 5rebs, 2blks -8
Whiteside: 10pts, 10rebs, 10blks +8

[Lord Hades]

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