2025 Offseason Season Thread Vol. 1

[3ammy3uck3ts]

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We informed Duncan we’re trading Jovic in the KD trade and he was needed to move to the 4 to backup Bam and replace Jovic, now he’s jacked.

[Beenie]

I don't doubt this team would move heaven and earth to acquire Giannis if we had a package the Bucks were genuinely interested in. But this build looks like its out of 2010, that model of getting two superstars, surrounding them with minimum contracts and thinking you can win only comes close to working when the guys are in their prime. Sure, on paper its better than the roster of Titos as you love to call Bam & co., but there's still some pretty glaring deficiencies that we'd lack the assets and capital to cover.

Major differences between the comparisons mainly being that Giannis and KD naturally fit better together than Bron and Wade.

As far as the rest of the roster, there would still be maneuverability with Rozier or Wiggin's contract.

Its an immaterial point though imo.

If you can get a top 5 player and then pair him with a top 10-15 player who stylistically is complimentary, then get it done and worry about the other stuff afterwards.

If it was truly this easy I would agree.

Its a pipedream

Just saying if Mia were to put both Bam and Herro on the table for Giannis, and if Giannis prioritized his desire to come to Mia, I wonder if Mil would then be open to such a deal.

Again, only really works if Mia can also figure a way to keep enough assets to also get KD or some other top 10-20 player to pair along side Greeky.

[oreon]

Major differences between the comparisons mainly being that Giannis and KD naturally fit better together than Bron and Wade.

As far as the rest of the roster, there would still be maneuverability with Rozier or Wiggin's contract.

Its an immaterial point though imo.

If you can get a top 5 player and then pair him with a top 10-15 player who stylistically is complimentary, then get it done and worry about the other stuff afterwards.

If it was truly this easy I would agree.

Its a pipedream

Just saying if Mia were to put both Bam and Herro on the table for Giannis, and if Giannis prioritized his desire to come to Mia, I wonder if Mil would then be open to such a deal.

Again, only really works if Mia can also figure a way to keep enough assets to also get KD or some other top 10-20 player to pair along side Greeky.

I don't see Giannis stabbing Bam in the back. If it was Lebron different story. He'd do what he needs to get where he needs to get to

[Tim_Hardawayy]

What am I saying that’s so far off base to make you argue? And how is it arguable that he was our 2nd best player? He was absolutely our 2nd best player, not even debatable.

Why do majority of ranking have him hovering around 20 every year up until his bad start to this season? Why was he given a spot on 2 gold medal team USA teams and given a major role on both? Why is he a 3 time all star and a shoe in for all defense (outside of this **** show of a season)?

I actually think outside of the Heat fanbase he’s very well respected and ranked better and all of those things back that. We weren’t expected to do anything in 2023 because the regular season was ugly and the roster depth was weak.

Sorry had company over, but I don't think you're wildly offbase but again, I disagree that he was absolutely our 2nd best player in 2020, I think you can make an argument for Goran (I'd side Bam but I understand people who'd say Goran, there wasn't a huge gap between them). And while he probably was overall 2nd best in 22 and 23, those teams were about Jimmy and others heroics (the 3-point shooting was ridiculous in the 2023 run), along with Bam's defense. But again, I don't think of those as the Jimmy/Bam teams, I think of those as the Spo/Jimmy carry years, where we squeezed everything out of rosters that probably shouldn't have been competing for chips.

I think that's a credit to Bam that he could play a pivotal role on those squads, but not only was he not an obvious #2 (peripheral in 22/23 and definitely Goran had an argument in 20), I also don't really think those were championship level squads. I'm honest enough about my team to admit we kinda lucked out in '20 by circumstance (I think the bubble situation definitely favored us), and '23 by shooting (that was unsustainable, and when the shooting came back to earth against Denver we got waxed). '22 was probably the best overall year, but still came up short vs Boston and didn't even make the Finals. And I'm not favoring us against the Warriors, although it'd have been a fun series to be sure.

I’m giving the facts you’re giving opinions Timmy. If Jimmy makes the 3 against the Celtics and we beat the Warriors in 2022 who I think we matched up well with or Jokic or Murray sprain their ankle (or Jimmy doesn’t get hurt) in 2023 and are hindered and we win the championship, was Bam good enough to be the 2nd best player on a championship team? Is Jamal Murray a far superior player to Bam? If KD doesn’t tear his Achilles and Klay doesn’t tear his ACL is Siakam good enough to be the 2nd leading scorer on a championship team?

Who was scoring more than Bam? The only run anyone outside of Jimmy scored more than Bam was 2020 and it was by 1 point. I have too much respect for you to think you base being a better player on PPG

I think this is an opinion based disagreement, I'm not disputing any facts, your opinion is Bam is a guy who can be the second best player on a championship squad, I disagree. I'll add a caveat, in a fluke type year with a more ensemble cast, then I could maybe see it. But to your hypothetical, OK, and let's say 2020 no bubble happens and the Heat don't get that advantage and go down in the second round, or in 2023 we don't shoot like 55-60% from 3 in multiple rounds and blitz through the eastern conference, and all we have to show for the Jimmy tenure is an ECF loss as the #1 seed on our home floor, is Bam a mediocre player who needs to be replaced because we could never even compete?

There's levels to this is all. I love Bam, I want him here, I think he fits on just about any type of roster you want to build. But if he is the second best player on your team, which he probably was those years but not by some huge unquestionable margin, I think in most cases it puts a ceiling on how far you can go. And I think this is why you would welcome mortgaging future and such to just go for a KD or whoever run, as long as Bam's here, while I'm more cautious and would rather we pass on those type of big moves with huge potential downside for now.

To summarize this simply, I think Bam probably was the 2nd best player on those squads if you had to make a hierarchy, yes. But I think that's also a big reason those squads had ceilings below championship level, I honestly don't think any of them were that dominant, though of course we get full credit for making the Finals and I don't want to take that away. But all things being equal, I don't want to go into a season with Bam as the second best player and expect to compete for chips. Or if we do, let's be as deep as the Pacers or Celtics at least.

[MettaWorldPanda]

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We informed Duncan we’re trading Jovic in the KD trade and he was needed to move to the 4 to backup Bam and replace Jovic, now he’s jacked.

This post has way too much run it back vibes

[twix2500]

Keep the negativity alive

[3ammy3uck3ts]

What am I saying that’s so far off base to make you argue? And how is it arguable that he was our 2nd best player? He was absolutely our 2nd best player, not even debatable.

Why do majority of ranking have him hovering around 20 every year up until his bad start to this season? Why was he given a spot on 2 gold medal team USA teams and given a major role on both? Why is he a 3 time all star and a shoe in for all defense (outside of this **** show of a season)?

I actually think outside of the Heat fanbase he’s very well respected and ranked better and all of those things back that. We weren’t expected to do anything in 2023 because the regular season was ugly and the roster depth was weak.

Sorry had company over, but I don't think you're wildly offbase but again, I disagree that he was absolutely our 2nd best player in 2020, I think you can make an argument for Goran (I'd side Bam but I understand people who'd say Goran, there wasn't a huge gap between them). And while he probably was overall 2nd best in 22 and 23, those teams were about Jimmy and others heroics (the 3-point shooting was ridiculous in the 2023 run), along with Bam's defense. But again, I don't think of those as the Jimmy/Bam teams, I think of those as the Spo/Jimmy carry years, where we squeezed everything out of rosters that probably shouldn't have been competing for chips.

I think that's a credit to Bam that he could play a pivotal role on those squads, but not only was he not an obvious #2 (peripheral in 22/23 and definitely Goran had an argument in 20), I also don't really think those were championship level squads. I'm honest enough about my team to admit we kinda lucked out in '20 by circumstance (I think the bubble situation definitely favored us), and '23 by shooting (that was unsustainable, and when the shooting came back to earth against Denver we got waxed). '22 was probably the best overall year, but still came up short vs Boston and didn't even make the Finals. And I'm not favoring us against the Warriors, although it'd have been a fun series to be sure.

I’m giving the facts you’re giving opinions Timmy. If Jimmy makes the 3 against the Celtics and we beat the Warriors in 2022 who I think we matched up well with or Jokic or Murray sprain their ankle (or Jimmy doesn’t get hurt) in 2023 and are hindered and we win the championship, was Bam good enough to be the 2nd best player on a championship team? Is Jamal Murray a far superior player to Bam? If KD doesn’t tear his Achilles and Klay doesn’t tear his ACL is Siakam good enough to be the 2nd leading scorer on a championship team?

Who was scoring more than Bam? The only run anyone outside of Jimmy scored more than Bam was 2020 and it was by 1 point. I have too much respect for you to think you base being a better player on PPG

I think this is an opinion based disagreement, I'm not disputing any facts, your opinion is Bam is a guy who can be the second best player on a championship squad, I disagree. I'll add a caveat, in a fluke type year with a more ensemble cast, then I could maybe see it. But to your hypothetical, OK, and let's say 2020 no bubble happens and the Heat don't get that advantage and go down in the second round, or in 2023 we don't shoot like 55-60% from 3 in multiple rounds and blitz through the eastern conference, and all we have to show for the Jimmy tenure is an ECF loss as the #1 seed on our home floor, is Bam a mediocre player who needs to be replaced because we could never even compete?

There's levels to this is all. I love Bam, I want him here, I think he fits on just about any type of roster you want to build. But if he is the second best player on your team, which he probably was those years but not by some huge unquestionable margin, I think in most cases it puts a ceiling on how far you can go. And I think this is why you would welcome mortgaging future and such to just go for a KD or whoever run, as long as Bam's here, while I'm more cautious and would rather we pass on those type of big moves with huge potential downside for now.

To summarize this simply, I think Bam probably was the 2nd best player on those squads if you had to make a hierarchy, yes. But I think that's also a big reason those squads had ceilings below championship level, I honestly don't think any of them were that dominant, though of course we get full credit for making the Finals and I don't want to take that away. But all things being equal, I don't want to go into a season with Bam as the second best player and expect to compete for chips. Or if we do, let's be as deep as the Pacers or Celtics at least.

Fair enough, we can agree to disagree (but I think overall we’re not TOO far apart) I love Goran so I won’t argue much there but with his defense and overall skillset I still give the nudge to Bam. 2022/2023 he was absolutely the undisputed 2nd best player, there was no one near him. As for being the 2nd best player on a championship team, I like where I’m at with my view as we’ve almost seen it happen 3 times now, I think if injury luck broke our way a little better it could be a different story and we may have 1 to show for it. I do agree he should be your 3rd scoring option (especially if we don’t have any playmakers better than what we currently have on the roster) and I also think if we had someone next to Jimmy/Bam in 2023 that could give us an efficient 20 a night, maybe like a 2020 Goran, then we could’ve beat the nuggets and I don’t necessarily think that’s a better player than Bam. We struggled to score and we struggled with the Jimmy injury, the defense was good enough to get it done.

We’ll see what they do here in the next year or so but hopefully we plan on building a legit roster not littered with undrafted fringe nba guys and that actually seems to be the way we’re heading. If we have no intentions of getting a true 1st option and a high level playmaker to try and get back to the finals and compete for championships then it’s time to trade Bam and even Herro who is coming off his first and probably only all star appearance. There’s no need to continue to let these guys get older and minimize the return

[3ammy3uck3ts]

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We informed Duncan we’re trading Jovic in the KD trade and he was needed to move to the 4 to backup Bam and replace Jovic, now he’s jacked.

This post has way too much run it back vibes

It’s what we love best

[3ammy3uck3ts]

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[3ammy3uck3ts]

I don’t have a clue what the clippers have salary and asset wise but if they can keep harden Kawhi and Zubac while adding KD they’d be insane if they can stay healthy

[MettaWorldPanda]

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We informed Duncan we’re trading Jovic in the KD trade and he was needed to move to the 4 to backup Bam and replace Jovic, now he’s jacked.

This post has way too much run it back vibes

It’s what we love best

I’m hoping he’s just getting every last drop of the Heat facility as he prepares to enter free agency once his contract is terminated. Guessing he’ll have a minimum contract to add to his 9.8 mil. Wiggins and Duncan were the only ones to miss there exit interviews.

[MettaWorldPanda]

I don’t have a clue what the clippers have salary and asset wise but if they can keep harden Kawhi and Zubac while adding KD they’d be insane if they can stay healthy

They don’t have chit for Durant. Wiggins on the other hand is there for the taking

[twix2500]

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Looks like Suns gonna start acting ignorant. Management seeing no real trades that can improve the team.

[twix2500]

Suns are finding out no one is throwing a lot to get Durant. Teams have inquired but not anything that can make the team better

[3ammy3uck3ts]

Suns are finding out no one is throwing a lot to get Durant. Teams have inquired but not anything that can make the team better

Yea I mean if you’re trading Kevin Durant odds are you’re getting worse regardless lol

[twix2500]

It's been reported Suns wants a young center. That means they are likely trying to get Ware or Lively

[MettaWorldPanda]

Once the Clippers strike out on Durant they will be happy with there consolation prize in Wiggins. Zubac, Klaw, Wiggins, Powell, and Harden is a formidable unit with great defensive potential.

[MettaWorldPanda]

It's been reported Suns wants a young center. That means they are likely trying to get Ware or Lively

There best bet is drafting one if they can get a pick from 10-20. Derek Queen, Thomas Sorber, Danny Wolf, Maxine Raynaud and Joan Beringer should be available. This draft is deep at Center.

[twix2500]

It's been reported Suns wants a young center. That means they are likely trying to get Ware or Lively

There best bet is drafting one if they can get a pick from 10-20. Derek Queen, Thomas Sorber, Danny Wolf, Maxine Raynaud and Joan Beringer should be available. This draft is deep at Center.

That silly owner trying to win now.

[twix2500]

Durant is not gonna do the Suns any favors