Miami Heat Regular Season Thread 21-22 Vol. 3

[AirP.]

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Late game I do not want Herro handling the ball at the top. Have come off screens from the wing. He us not good at handling the press

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What the hell was Jimmy doing on that Middleton 3 by the way?

Guarding a 7 foot MVP caliber player that would have had a higher % shot because had Butler stayed on Middleton he would have dumped it off to Giannis. Gabe actually should have went to Middleton and let Butler handle Giannis.

[SoFlaKingReal]

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Late game I do not want Herro handling the ball at the top. Have come off screens from the wing. He us not good at handling the press

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What the hell was Jimmy doing on that Middleton 3 by the way?

He was being a pig. Complete lack of awareness the entire game. Just a totally inexcusable performance.

[GameTime_3]

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Late game I do not want Herro handling the ball at the top. Have come off screens from the wing. He us not good at handling the press

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What the hell was Jimmy doing on that Middleton 3 by the way?

Last night game was what scares me about this team. Jimmy since the bubble hasn't been Jimmy. Last night, he held back the team and the role players carried him. We cant have that from a supermax player who is an alpha.

He was passive, bucks let him shoot knowing he couldnt it and we relied on 22 year old Herro, Bam and Duncan not our star player....At some point, Jimmy needs to know the seat is getting hot in Miami. Love what he has done to transform us but he as a player right now, leaves alot to love at the moment.

[AirP.]

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Late game I do not want Herro handling the ball at the top. Have come off screens from the wing. He us not good at handling the press

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What the hell was Jimmy doing on that Middleton 3 by the way?

He was being a pig. Complete lack of awareness the entire game. Just a totally inexcusable performance.

Wrong. Butler did the right move switching onto Giannis to take away the higher percentage score, Gabe should have taken Middleton vs just follow Giannis all the way down, especially when seeing Butler switching to take Giannis.

[Hallstar]

What the hell was Jimmy doing on that Middleton 3 by the way?

He was being a pig. Complete lack of awareness the entire game. Just a totally inexcusable performance.

Wrong. Butler did the right move switching onto Giannis to take away the higher percentage score, Gabe should have taken Middleton vs just follow Giannis all the way down, especially when seeing Butler switching to take Giannis.

They're in transition, no way should you be worrying about that 2 when up 4. Let Giannis get that 2 if necessary, don't give up a wide open 3 to Middleton.

In fact Gabe was cutting off the pass to Giannis angle anyway.

If Giannis got his 2 and everything else went the same we're in overtime

[AirP.]

He was being a pig. Complete lack of awareness the entire game. Just a totally inexcusable performance.

Wrong. Butler did the right move switching onto Giannis to take away the higher percentage score, Gabe should have taken Middleton vs just follow Giannis all the way down, especially when seeing Butler switching to take Giannis.

They're in transition, no way should you be worrying about that 2 when up 4. Let Giannis get that 2 if necessary, don't give up a wide open 3 to Middleton.

If Giannis got his 2 and everything else went the same we're in overtime

Yes, you're overtime on the road against a contender.

Right there, you're looking at a 40% to 45% chance of Middleton hitting a pull up 3 in crunch time vs 80%-90% chance of passing the ball to a 7 foot MVP for a dunk.

And who knows, if Gabe doesn't just follow Giannis and goes to guard Middleton he may have caused Middleton some stress to have a higher chance of missing the shot.

[Hallstar]

Wrong. Butler did the right move switching onto Giannis to take away the higher percentage score, Gabe should have taken Middleton vs just follow Giannis all the way down, especially when seeing Butler switching to take Giannis.

They're in transition, no way should you be worrying about that 2 when up 4. Let Giannis get that 2 if necessary, don't give up a wide open 3 to Middleton.

If Giannis got his 2 and everything else went the same we're in overtime

Yes, you're overtime on the road against a contender.

Right there, you're looking at a 40% to 45% chance of Middleton hitting a pull up 3 in crunch time vs 80%-90% chance of passing the ball to a 7 foot MVP for a dunk.

And who knows, if Gabe doesn't just follow Giannis and goes to guard Middleton he may have had a bigger chance of missing the shot.

3>2

overtime beats loss.

I can't believe you're arguing this.

Butler was in no man's land. He had no business being that deep in the paint.

Gabe was the one responsible for cutting off the pass which he ended up in position to do anyway.

Butler offered ZERO pressure on Middleton.

[AirP.]

They're in transition, no way should you be worrying about that 2 when up 4. Let Giannis get that 2 if necessary, don't give up a wide open 3 to Middleton.

If Giannis got his 2 and everything else went the same we're in overtime

Yes, you're overtime on the road against a contender.

Right there, you're looking at a 40% to 45% chance of Middleton hitting a pull up 3 in crunch time vs 80%-90% chance of passing the ball to a 7 foot MVP for a dunk.

And who knows, if Gabe doesn't just follow Giannis and goes to guard Middleton he may have had a bigger chance of missing the shot.

3>2

overtime beats loss.

I can't believe you're arguing this.

Butler was in no man's land. He had no business being that deep in the paint.

Gabe was the one responsible for cutting off the pass which he ended up in position to do anyway.

Butler offered ZERO pressure on Middleton.

BTW, here's where Gabe ended up by the time Middleton released the shot, he had enough time to contest the shot, this is where switching could have covered BOTH players vs giving up an easy 2 or open 3. Why make up #)($, Butler had a horrible shooting night, nobody is debating that because it's not debatable, but things like this aren't true, Butler made the right read.

Your logic seems to work with Herro too but he also did the right defensive play defending Portis vs guarding Middleton.

[KingDavid]

Y'all splitting hairs like we can change the outcome.

Anyway, there's GREAT Oladipo news out now. One of you post it. He'll be back next week and he looks very **** great.

[Hallstar]

Yes, you're overtime on the road against a contender.

Right there, you're looking at a 40% to 45% chance of Middleton hitting a pull up 3 in crunch time vs 80%-90% chance of passing the ball to a 7 foot MVP for a dunk.

And who knows, if Gabe doesn't just follow Giannis and goes to guard Middleton he may have had a bigger chance of missing the shot.

3>2

overtime beats loss.

I can't believe you're arguing this.

Butler was in no man's land. He had no business being that deep in the paint.

Gabe was the one responsible for cutting off the pass which he ended up in position to do anyway.

Butler offered ZERO pressure on Middleton.

BTW, here's where Gabe ended up by the time Middleton released the shot, he had enough time to contest the shot, this is where switching could have covered BOTH players vs giving up an easy 2 or open 3. Why make up #)($, Butler had a horrible shooting night, nobody is debating that because it's not debatable, but things like this aren't true, Butler made the right read.

The right play is giving up the 2 in the worse case. You CANNOT give up that 3 uncontested.

[AirP.]

3>2

overtime beats loss.

I can't believe you're arguing this.

Butler was in no man's land. He had no business being that deep in the paint.

Gabe was the one responsible for cutting off the pass which he ended up in position to do anyway.

Butler offered ZERO pressure on Middleton.

BTW, here's where Gabe ended up by the time Middleton released the shot, he had enough time to contest the shot, this is where switching could have covered BOTH players vs giving up an easy 2 or open 3. Why make up #)($, Butler had a horrible shooting night, nobody is debating that because it's not debatable, but things like this aren't true, Butler made the right read.

The right play is giving up the 2 in the worse case. You CANNOT give up that 3 uncontested.

If Gabe would have read the defense and went to Middleton he wouldn't have had an uncontested pull up 3.

Right now, you're saying both Butler and Herro made the wrong decision, I think they both make the right decision up by 4, Gabe did not.

It would be interesting to hear what Spoelstra tells the team in a video session on that play, I'm pretty sure he's going to say Herro and Butler made the right call and next time whoever is trailing needs to take the shooter, not just follow a 7 footer to the basket doing nothing on defense.

It's odd that Herro and Butler were in the same situation yet you've said nothing about Herro and just piled onto Butler and this is with Herro being the one who lost the possession. I still say both did the right defensive play and once again I'll say Gabe did not. It's a teachable moment.

Think of it this way, what is the OPTIMAL way of playing defense in that situation, it would have been Butler and Herro covering the streaking bigs and Gabe taking the guy pulling up for 3. Anything else gives up an easy basket which last night gave up an uncontested 3.

[somerandomdude]

Just wanted to say that Herro's ability have a good game without reaching the FT line is great thing to have when the officiating was as bad as it was last night.

In contrast, Jimmy had a bad night because he relied on the officiating way too much.

[Hallstar]

BTW, here's where Gabe ended up by the time Middleton released the shot, he had enough time to contest the shot, this is where switching could have covered BOTH players vs giving up an easy 2 or open 3. Why make up #)($, Butler had a horrible shooting night, nobody is debating that because it's not debatable, but things like this aren't true, Butler made the right read.

The right play is giving up the 2 in the worse case. You CANNOT give up that 3 uncontested.

If Gabe would have read the defense and went to Middleton he wouldn't have had an uncontested pull up 3.

Right now, you're saying both Butler and Herro made the wrong decision, I think they both make the right decision up by 4, Gabe did not.

It would be interesting to hear what Spoelstra tells the team in a video session on that play, I'm pretty sure he's going to say Herro and Butler made the right call and next time whoever is trailing needs to take the shooter, not just follow a 7 footer to the basket doing nothing on defense.

It's odd that Herro and Butler were in the same situation yet you've said nothing about Herro and just piled onto Butler and this is with Herro being the one who lost the possession. I still say both did the right defensive play and once again I'll say Gabe did not. It's a teachable moment.

Think of it this way, what is the OPTIMAL way of playing defense in that situation, it would have been Butler and Herro covering the streaking bigs and Gabe taking the guy pulling up for 3. Anything else gives up an easy basket which last night gave up an uncontested 3.

Because Herro and Gabe are on the wing cutting off the pass. Butler is DIRECTLY in front Middleton. Why would either of them be expected to cross in front of Butler to defend Middleton?

My thing is you rush to choke off Middleton and force him to beat Gabe on the angle pass

You can't stare a dude down the entire play and then decide oh I'm not guarding him anymore.

We're gonna just have to agree to disagree on that one

[3ammy3uck3ts]

https://youtu.be/2v28fOaUG3I

Late game I do not want Herro handling the ball at the top. Have come off screens from the wing. He us not good at handling the press

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What the hell was Jimmy doing on that Middleton 3 by the way?

Brother I understand Herro is your boy. He played a great game last night but had 3 crucial turnovers in the last 5 minutes of the game that all led to scores. Twix isn’t crazy for saying that or anything lol.

[3ammy3uck3ts]

Yes, you're overtime on the road against a contender.

Right there, you're looking at a 40% to 45% chance of Middleton hitting a pull up 3 in crunch time vs 80%-90% chance of passing the ball to a 7 foot MVP for a dunk.

And who knows, if Gabe doesn't just follow Giannis and goes to guard Middleton he may have had a bigger chance of missing the shot.

3>2

overtime beats loss.

I can't believe you're arguing this.

Butler was in no man's land. He had no business being that deep in the paint.

Gabe was the one responsible for cutting off the pass which he ended up in position to do anyway.

Butler offered ZERO pressure on Middleton.

BTW, here's where Gabe ended up by the time Middleton released the shot, he had enough time to contest the shot, this is where switching could have covered BOTH players vs giving up an easy 2 or open 3. Why make up #)($, Butler had a horrible shooting night, nobody is debating that because it's not debatable, but things like this aren't true, Butler made the right read.

Your logic seems to work with Herro too but he also did the right defensive play defending Portis vs guarding Middleton.

Yea that’s 100% on Gabe

[3ammy3uck3ts]

Just wanted to say that Herro's ability have a good game without reaching the FT line is great thing to have when the officiating was as bad as it was last night.

In contrast, Jimmy had a bad night because he relied on the officiating way too much.

I don’t even think he was relying on officiating. He wasn’t even attacked that much. He jacked up 7 mid range jumpers and like 3 3s. He wasn’t aggressive toward the basket at all.

[3ammy3uck3ts]

The right play is giving up the 2 in the worse case. You CANNOT give up that 3 uncontested.

If Gabe would have read the defense and went to Middleton he wouldn't have had an uncontested pull up 3.

Right now, you're saying both Butler and Herro made the wrong decision, I think they both make the right decision up by 4, Gabe did not.

It would be interesting to hear what Spoelstra tells the team in a video session on that play, I'm pretty sure he's going to say Herro and Butler made the right call and next time whoever is trailing needs to take the shooter, not just follow a 7 footer to the basket doing nothing on defense.

It's odd that Herro and Butler were in the same situation yet you've said nothing about Herro and just piled onto Butler and this is with Herro being the one who lost the possession. I still say both did the right defensive play and once again I'll say Gabe did not. It's a teachable moment.

Think of it this way, what is the OPTIMAL way of playing defense in that situation, it would have been Butler and Herro covering the streaking bigs and Gabe taking the guy pulling up for 3. Anything else gives up an easy basket which last night gave up an uncontested 3.

Because Herro and Gabe are on the wing cutting off the pass. Butler is DIRECTLY in front Middleton. Why would either of them be expected to cross in front of Butler to defend Middleton?

My thing is you rush to choke off Middleton and force him to beat Gabe on the angle pass

You can't stare a dude down the entire play and then decide oh I'm not guarding him anymore.

We're gonna just have to agree to disagree on that one

The trailer is not supposed to be the one cutting off the pass to Giannis lol. That’s just simple basketball. The second Jimmy steps to Middleton that’s a wide open lob to Giannis. Gabe needed to contested Middleton, he was matched up defensively with no one

[AirP.]

Spoiler:

If Gabe would have read the defense and went to Middleton he wouldn't have had an uncontested pull up 3.

Right now, you're saying both Butler and Herro made the wrong decision, I think they both make the right decision up by 4, Gabe did not.

It would be interesting to hear what Spoelstra tells the team in a video session on that play, I'm pretty sure he's going to say Herro and Butler made the right call and next time whoever is trailing needs to take the shooter, not just follow a 7 footer to the basket doing nothing on defense.

It's odd that Herro and Butler were in the same situation yet you've said nothing about Herro and just piled onto Butler and this is with Herro being the one who lost the possession. I still say both did the right defensive play and once again I'll say Gabe did not. It's a teachable moment.

Think of it this way, what is the OPTIMAL way of playing defense in that situation, it would have been Butler and Herro covering the streaking bigs and Gabe taking the guy pulling up for 3. Anything else gives up an easy basket which last night gave up an uncontested 3.

Because Herro and Gabe are on the wing cutting off the pass. Butler is DIRECTLY in front Middleton. Why would either of them be expected to cross in front of Butler to defend Middleton?

Because the play dictates covering the 2 time MVP streaking to the basket and HELP should have been coming.

BTW, Middleton is 33.1% with pullup 3s for the season shooting over 3 per game, for all 3s he's 35% when open from 3pt range and 42% from 3 with no defender within 6 feet of him. I absolutely would give up that fast break pull up 3 in crunch time up by 4, it's a very tough shot to make in that situation and has less then a 50% chance of making it and realistically less then a 40% chance of making that particular shot.

My thing is you rush to choke off Middleton and force him to beat Gabe on the angle pass

This is what happens when you switch, it's to allow you to contest more shots, Gabe just didn't switch.

You can't stare a dude down the entire play and then decide oh I'm not guarding him anymore.

Yes you can, it's called switching to make the team take the a lower % shot.

We're gonna just have to agree to disagree on that one

I guess so. To me it's just logical based on the math. Even if they make the 3 it's expected that they have to foul but Miami couldn't get the ball in cleanly TWICE to get to the free throw line to put the Bucks down by 2 or 3 vs better set defense. If Middleton misses that shot the game is probably done based on the time left even if they get the rebound, they need 2 possessions.

I do get your angle because of the score but you still have to play the percentages when you'll still be winning.

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[somerandomdude]

Just wanted to say that Herro's ability have a good game without reaching the FT line is great thing to have when the officiating was as bad as it was last night.

In contrast, Jimmy had a bad night because he relied on the officiating way too much.

I don’t even think he was relying on officiating. He wasn’t even attacked that much. He jacked up 7 mid range jumpers and like 3 3s. He wasn’t aggressive toward the basket at all.

Yes, he did great to recognize the bad officiating and adjust, and skilled enough that he doesn't need officiating to have a good game.

Should've gone to the line on this one.

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