2025 Offseason Season Thread Vol. 3

[fincane30]

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I think/hope the Kuminga talk is bull. If we wanted him so bad, why not get him in the Jimmy trade? To come back and offload MORE assets to them would put so much incompetence directly on display. I can't see the FO doing it.

Only way it happens is if maybe a 3rd team is involved and we basically give up nothing imo.

Couldn't do it during the Jimmy trade. Kuminga had too small of a salary. He was only making just over 7.5 million

[SA37]

Malik monk is better than Reeves and he is on 4 year 77 million.

Hell ill take Kuminga over Reeves on just age and upside alone because of Kumingas explosive offensive attacks and athleticism

And please, lets knock it off.. Jalen Green is WAY better than Reeves. Theyre not even remotely comparable.

Giddey is better than Reeves. I have seen Giddey’s playmaking ability on the Bulls and he impresses me more.


Whoever signs reeves to 130 million, theyre going to be thinking how the **** do we move this contract after one year.

He is a luxury player that you want coming off the bench. If hes your starter, youre getting bounced the first round

Meh, you can hype yourself into silliness with buzz words/phrases" like "explosive offensive attacks" and fawn over "athleticism, length, and age" and all that garbage.

Austin Reaves is across the board a better player than Jalen Green: better shooting splits, more assists/rebounds, better PER, more win shares, more triple-doubles, higher career high for points in a game...etc.

Josh Giddey and Reaves are almost identical in their shooting splits and box-score numbers, PER and so on. That's actually going to be a very good proxy for Reaves' market value.

Same deal with Herro. Reaves and Herro are almost identical across the board. I have no doubt if you swapped Reaves for Herro, Miami wouldn't miss a beat.

Herro is on a 4-year, $120M deal, and that is precisely in the range I said Reaves would likely get next year. We'll see what Giddey signs for this summer.

[insfo]

How about this for fun

Player 1: 18 ppg, 9.6 reb, 4.3 ast, 1.0 3ptm, 1.3 st, 0.7 blk, 2.1 TO with 48.5/76.5/35.7 shooting splits (FG%/FT%/3PT%)

Player 2: 19 ppg, 8.2 reb, 2 ast, 1.5 3ptm, 1.0 st, 1.0 blk, 2.6 TO with 52.7/84.5/39.9 splits

Player 1 on 3/$165m max contract, and player 2 is on a 1/$26m.

Player 2 for sure once you factor in the cost of player 1.

Agreed in this limited context. I'm not sure what the next contract of John Collins is gonna look like, but given he opted into this $26m PO, assuming he's not seeing a bigger market than this currently. Or hoping to get some portion of the 2026 FA pool windfall. And incidentally the same age as Bam too!

Would have been nice to explore some options with JC in years past, but now with Ware's emergence (and progression ) not sure if we have the room for him.

[3ammy3uck3ts]

Malik monk is better than Reeves and he is on 4 year 77 million.

Hell ill take Kuminga over Reeves on just age and upside alone because of Kumingas explosive offensive attacks and athleticism

And please, lets knock it off.. Jalen Green is WAY better than Reeves. Theyre not even remotely comparable.

Giddey is better than Reeves. I have seen Giddey’s playmaking ability on the Bulls and he impresses me more.


Whoever signs reeves to 130 million, theyre going to be thinking how the **** do we move this contract after one year.

He is a luxury player that you want coming off the bench. If hes your starter, youre getting bounced the first round

Rank them in order of what you’d prefer if you had to pick:

Herro 3/$150M
Monk 4/$77M
Reaves 4/$90M

Herro

Reaves

Monk


Reaves is better than Monk.

You would prefer Herro at $50M a year to Reaves at $22.5M? I agree Monk overall is a tier below them, Herro and Reaves are basically a wash

[3ammy3uck3ts]

Any chance Utah would send us Collins for Bam if we attach 2 1sts and KJ?

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[BBallFreak]

Malik monk is better than Reeves and he is on 4 year 77 million.

Hell ill take Kuminga over Reeves on just age and upside alone because of Kumingas explosive offensive attacks and athleticism

And please, lets knock it off.. Jalen Green is WAY better than Reeves. Theyre not even remotely comparable.

Giddey is better than Reeves. I have seen Giddey’s playmaking ability on the Bulls and he impresses me more.


Whoever signs reeves to 130 million, theyre going to be thinking how the **** do we move this contract after one year.

He is a luxury player that you want coming off the bench. If hes your starter, youre getting bounced the first round

Meh, you can hype yourself into silliness with buzz words/phrases" like "explosive offensive attacks" and fawn over "athleticism, length, and age" and all that garbage.

Austin Reaves is across the board a better player than Jalen Green: better shooting splits, more assists/rebounds, better PER, more win shares, more triple-doubles, higher career high for points in a game...etc.

Josh Giddey and Reaves are almost identical in their shooting splits and box-score numbers, PER and so on. That's actually going to be a very good proxy for Reaves' market value.

Same deal with Herro. Reaves and Herro are almost identical across the board. I have no doubt if you swapped Reaves for Herro, Miami wouldn't miss a beat.

Herro is on a 4-year, $120M deal, and that is precisely in the range I said Reaves would likely get next year. We'll see what Giddey signs for this summer.

I have extreme doubts about Reaves stepping in seamlessly for Herro. It's one thing to play off of LeBron and another star. It's an entirely different thing to be the focal point of a team's defense.

[3ammy3uck3ts]

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[SA37]

Spoiler:

Malik monk is better than Reeves and he is on 4 year 77 million.

Hell ill take Kuminga over Reeves on just age and upside alone because of Kumingas explosive offensive attacks and athleticism

And please, lets knock it off.. Jalen Green is WAY better than Reeves. Theyre not even remotely comparable.

Giddey is better than Reeves. I have seen Giddey’s playmaking ability on the Bulls and he impresses me more.


Whoever signs reeves to 130 million, theyre going to be thinking how the **** do we move this contract after one year.

He is a luxury player that you want coming off the bench. If hes your starter, youre getting bounced the first round

Meh, you can hype yourself into silliness with buzz words/phrases" like "explosive offensive attacks" and fawn over "athleticism, length, and age" and all that garbage.

Austin Reaves is across the board a better player than Jalen Green: better shooting splits, more assists/rebounds, better PER, more win shares, more triple-doubles, higher career high for points in a game...etc.

Josh Giddey and Reaves are almost identical in their shooting splits and box-score numbers, PER and so on. That's actually going to be a very good proxy for Reaves' market value.

Same deal with Herro. Reaves and Herro are almost identical across the board. I have no doubt if you swapped Reaves for Herro, Miami wouldn't miss a beat.

Herro is on a 4-year, $120M deal, and that is precisely in the range I said Reaves would likely get next year. We'll see what Giddey signs for this summer.

I have extreme doubts about Reaves stepping in seamlessly for Herro. It's one thing to play off of LeBron and another star. It's an entirely different thing to be the focal point of a team's defense.

Impossible to know, but one of the risks when you pull a guy out of one system and insert them into another with more responsibility is that they won't adapt. My bet is Reaves would do fine. He's crafty, has a high bball IQ, is good at drawing fouls, has a good 1st step, he's a good passer...etc.

Miami could run into this precise problem with Kuminga if they actually go through with that acquisition.

[3ammy3uck3ts]

Malik monk is better than Reeves and he is on 4 year 77 million.

Hell ill take Kuminga over Reeves on just age and upside alone because of Kumingas explosive offensive attacks and athleticism

And please, lets knock it off.. Jalen Green is WAY better than Reeves. Theyre not even remotely comparable.

Giddey is better than Reeves. I have seen Giddey’s playmaking ability on the Bulls and he impresses me more.


Whoever signs reeves to 130 million, theyre going to be thinking how the **** do we move this contract after one year.

He is a luxury player that you want coming off the bench. If hes your starter, youre getting bounced the first round

Meh, you can hype yourself into silliness with buzz words/phrases" like "explosive offensive attacks" and fawn over "athleticism, length, and age" and all that garbage.

Austin Reaves is across the board a better player than Jalen Green: better shooting splits, more assists/rebounds, better PER, more win shares, more triple-doubles, higher career high for points in a game...etc.

Josh Giddey and Reaves are almost identical in their shooting splits and box-score numbers, PER and so on. That's actually going to be a very good proxy for Reaves' market value.

Same deal with Herro. Reaves and Herro are almost identical across the board. I have no doubt if you swapped Reaves for Herro, Miami wouldn't miss a beat.

Herro is on a 4-year, $120M deal, and that is precisely in the range I said Reaves would likely get next year. We'll see what Giddey signs for this summer.

I have extreme doubts about Reaves stepping in seamlessly for Herro. It's one thing to play off of LeBron and another star. It's an entirely different thing to be the focal point of a team's defense.

He’s not too far off as it is while deferring to those guys like you mentioned, without LeBron he averages 28-7-8 on 64TS%. Without LeBron AND Luka he averaged 32-7-11. It seems with increased usage and shot attempts he’s up to the task

[CWebb2491]

Am I the only one who hates the idea of Kuminga?

From what I’m hearing from GSW fans he can’t:


Shoot
Pass
Not a great defender
Ball hog


What am I missing here? Why tie up 30m for multiple years for a player like that? Couldn’t win a game with Curry Out playing alongside Jimmy and Draymond?

[fincane30]

Malik monk is better than Reeves and he is on 4 year 77 million.

Hell ill take Kuminga over Reeves on just age and upside alone because of Kumingas explosive offensive attacks and athleticism

And please, lets knock it off.. Jalen Green is WAY better than Reeves. Theyre not even remotely comparable.

Giddey is better than Reeves. I have seen Giddey’s playmaking ability on the Bulls and he impresses me more.


Whoever signs reeves to 130 million, theyre going to be thinking how the **** do we move this contract after one year.

He is a luxury player that you want coming off the bench. If hes your starter, youre getting bounced the first round

Meh, you can hype yourself into silliness with buzz words/phrases" like "explosive offensive attacks" and fawn over "athleticism, length, and age" and all that garbage.

Austin Reaves is across the board a better player than Jalen Green: better shooting splits, more assists/rebounds, better PER, more win shares, more triple-doubles, higher career high for points in a game...etc.

Josh Giddey and Reaves are almost identical in their shooting splits and box-score numbers, PER and so on. That's actually going to be a very good proxy for Reaves' market value.

Same deal with Herro. Reaves and Herro are almost identical across the board. I have no doubt if you swapped Reaves for Herro, Miami wouldn't miss a beat.

Herro is on a 4-year, $120M deal, and that is precisely in the range I said Reaves would likely get next year. We'll see what Giddey signs for this summer.

Reaves has never been asked to be in engine of an offense for the bulk of a season. The primary scorer. The primary ball handler. He also has never have been more than a #3 on a team throughout his career. The #1 has been the greatest of a generation and the #2 was either Anthony Davis or Luka. So when we start comparing what one guy has done compared to another I'll tell you context matters. And Reaves has had the easier job the last two seasons compared to Herro. Certainly was the case last year.

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Well, he'll definitely be that here, but the question will be if he's good enough to be a top-3 option on a good/great team. I really hope someone else takes the plunge with him though

[SA37]

Spoiler:

Meh, you can hype yourself into silliness with buzz words/phrases" like "explosive offensive attacks" and fawn over "athleticism, length, and age" and all that garbage.

Austin Reaves is across the board a better player than Jalen Green: better shooting splits, more assists/rebounds, better PER, more win shares, more triple-doubles, higher career high for points in a game...etc.

Josh Giddey and Reaves are almost identical in their shooting splits and box-score numbers, PER and so on. That's actually going to be a very good proxy for Reaves' market value.

Same deal with Herro. Reaves and Herro are almost identical across the board. I have no doubt if you swapped Reaves for Herro, Miami wouldn't miss a beat.

Herro is on a 4-year, $120M deal, and that is precisely in the range I said Reaves would likely get next year. We'll see what Giddey signs for this summer.

I have extreme doubts about Reaves stepping in seamlessly for Herro. It's one thing to play off of LeBron and another star. It's an entirely different thing to be the focal point of a team's defense.

He’s not too far off as it is while deferring to those guys like you mentioned, without LeBron he averages 28-7-8 on 64TS%. Without LeBron AND Luka he averaged 32-7-11. It seems with increased usage and shot attempts he’s up to the task

Waiting for someone to say, "yeah, but he's 27."

[HeatIn5]

How about this for fun

Player 1: 18 ppg, 9.6 reb, 4.3 ast, 1.0 3ptm, 1.3 st, 0.7 blk, 2.1 TO with 48.5/76.5/35.7 shooting splits (FG%/FT%/3PT%)

Player 2: 19 ppg, 8.2 reb, 2 ast, 1.5 3ptm, 1.0 st, 1.0 blk, 2.6 TO with 52.7/84.5/39.9 splits

Player 1 on 3/$165m max contract, and player 2 is on a 1/$26m.

How do defensive metrics

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Wonder what they talked about regarding Miami after that audible lol

[3ammy3uck3ts]

Am I the only one who hates the idea of Kuminga?

From what I’m hearing from GSW fans he can’t:


Shoot
Pass
Not a great defender
Ball hog


What am I missing here? Why tie up 30m for multiple years for a player like that? Couldn’t win a game with Curry Out playing alongside Jimmy and Draymond?

He’s going to come here and hijack the offense

[fincane30]

Meh, you can hype yourself into silliness with buzz words/phrases" like "explosive offensive attacks" and fawn over "athleticism, length, and age" and all that garbage.

Austin Reaves is across the board a better player than Jalen Green: better shooting splits, more assists/rebounds, better PER, more win shares, more triple-doubles, higher career high for points in a game...etc.

Josh Giddey and Reaves are almost identical in their shooting splits and box-score numbers, PER and so on. That's actually going to be a very good proxy for Reaves' market value.

Same deal with Herro. Reaves and Herro are almost identical across the board. I have no doubt if you swapped Reaves for Herro, Miami wouldn't miss a beat.

Herro is on a 4-year, $120M deal, and that is precisely in the range I said Reaves would likely get next year. We'll see what Giddey signs for this summer.

I have extreme doubts about Reaves stepping in seamlessly for Herro. It's one thing to play off of LeBron and another star. It's an entirely different thing to be the focal point of a team's defense.

He’s not too far off as it is while deferring to those guys like you mentioned, without LeBron he averages 28-7-8 on 64TS%. Without LeBron AND Luka he averaged 32-7-11. It seems with increased usage and shot attempts he’s up to the task

How many games? What are the context of those games? Good teams? Who were his primary defenders? Can he sustain that over the course of 70+ games or will the night to night pressure of defenses focusing entirely on him wear on him. He's an unknown in that regard.

[unowen85]

How about this for fun

Player 1: 18 ppg, 9.6 reb, 4.3 ast, 1.0 3ptm, 1.3 st, 0.7 blk, 2.1 TO with 48.5/76.5/35.7 shooting splits (FG%/FT%/3PT%)

Player 2: 19 ppg, 8.2 reb, 2 ast, 1.5 3ptm, 1.0 st, 1.0 blk, 2.6 TO with 52.7/84.5/39.9 splits

Player 1 on 3/$165m max contract, and player 2 is on a 1/$26m.

I’m gonna have to agree with 3ammy on this one and say it’s totally unfair to cherry pick and use Bam’s awful year against him when comparing him with other players. Maybe if you had used Bam’s 2021-2022 season numbers from when he peaked as a player…