2025 Offseason Thread Vol.5

[3ammy3uck3ts]

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Twitters a few days late but they’ve gotten the memo

I would even toss in an extra second if need be

Take Wiggins and a 1st or KJ too while we’re at it and send Giddey back here as well.

[Enso]

Get Vuc on here asap hes jonesing to play with Spo

[3ammy3uck3ts]

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Twitters a few days late but they’ve gotten the memo

I would even toss in an extra second if need be

Take Wiggins and a 1st or KJ too while we’re at it and send Giddey back here as well.

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“We got a big guard I like that”

[carnageta]

Vucevic and Josh Giddy for Rozier, Wiggins, and a 2nd round pick?

Giddy/DMitchell/KP
Herro/Larrson
Powell/Jaime/Fonteccio
Bam/Niko/Keshad
Ware/Vucevic

[carnageta]

I would even toss in an extra second if need be

Take Wiggins and a 1st or KJ too while we’re at it and send Giddey back here as well.

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“We got a big guard I like that”

I still believe in Jaku, despite the early summer league struggles. This guy is going to be an absolute stud and he's going to be the next Heatle for lyfe, alongside Dwyane Wade, Bam Adebayo, Tyler Herro, and Wayne Simeon.

[3ammy3uck3ts]

Take Wiggins and a 1st or KJ too while we’re at it and send Giddey back here as well.

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“We got a big guard I like that”

I still believe in Jaku, despite the early summer league struggles. This guy is going to be an absolute stud and he's going to be the next Heatle for lyfe, alongside Dwyane Wade, Bam Adebayo, Tyler Herro, and Wayne Simeon.

Haha he very well could be! I’m just thinking that in the scenario we did trade for Giddey that’d be signaling him as our PG of the future since he’s 22 making KJ expendable.

[Bhut Jolokia]

Wiggins looked like he was in a coma with us last season. He also flat out sucked.

It feels like a very quiet playoff series has clouded our judgement of Wiggins a bit. For the record, I'd have no problem moving him for some cheaper contracts or draft compensation but just to keep perspective - he only appeared in 17 games last year (Davion played nearly twice as many games), and his numbers were on par with his production in GS. Lackluster playoffs, frustration with his availability, 5reasons pumping hit pieces that he and Spo dont get along, and fans general perplexity with his reserved personality have distorted the reality to some degree. He was alright, he didnt suck.

I agree 100%. Very good points about Wiggins. I can’t wait to see how he performs with more games.

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[3ammy3uck3ts]

I agree Bam's efficiency is going up paired with a better playmaker. I don't see his scoring rising much though, other than some scenario where the whole offense is radically improved by 10-15 more points a night or something. It's not his forte, he has always looked uncomfortable being a lead guy. He looked amazing in the Olympics being allowed to just blend in and do the dirty work, and I think that's always going to be his best role on a great team.

I think the biggest fool's gold with Bam is seeing how skilled he is and expecting it to translate to every possession. He's a guy who yes, CAN do things you don't expect out of a big guy. But he doesn't react quick enough, and the times the team tries to go to him and get that every trip down the floor, the offense begins to stall and defenses load up on him.

He could take that next step, and just start seeing the game faster and reacting quicker. And in that scenario, I could see the 25 a night Bam you're probably envisioning. But I'm not going to expect it, and I'm not going to blame Spo or the coaches for it when I can watch the games in real time and watch Bam hold the ball for 3+ seconds every time and give defenses time to react to him.

Wouldn’t we see a solid spike in scoring though with higher efficiency and 2 or so more shots a night due to having someone who’s able to help produce higher quality looks?

He definitely looks great for team USA and led them in scoring like 2-3 times I believe, he was getting high quality looks and operating with elite playmakers.

Not necessarily, because part of the spike in efficiency is trading out 2 mediocre Bam isos with plays where someone creates for him instead. I don't want to add Bam finishes to Bam isos if we get a better playmaker, I want to swap them. And that might up his scoring marginally, but not enough to become a 25 a night guy.

I don't know if you watched a lot of Amare back in the day, but that's who I think Bam could emulate if he wanted to be more dominant. He's as skilled or more, he's around Amare athletically. The major difference (besides Steve Nash) is when Amare got the ball, he'd immediately attack. And while Bam is definitely a better passer than Amare, I think it causes him to have paralysis of choice sometimes, where he thinks too much about making the perfect play instead of just putting his head down and dominating his matchup.

And no, I don't think that's a coaching issue, and I say that because the Heat have had bigs that knew how to just attack in the past, look at Zo who wasn't even as skilled as Bam. It's Bam's own unselfishness, but not just that, but also his inability to read a defense faster. He can make the right play if he has the time to process, but when it gets sped up, if he stops to think it burns him.

I don’t hate your Amare comparison, especially from a size, skill, and athleticism comparison. I agree he was a more fluid scorer, I think scoring was also higher on his and his teams priorities for him as well considering he wasn’t near the playmaker Bam is and he was a terrible defender. I think it also shines light on the importance of an elite playmaker like we were discussing too. Amare averaged 25PPG twice in his career, the first time he did it was next to Nash on 15 shots a night, the next time he did it was his first season in New York on a bad Knicks team where he was featured as the number 1 option on 19 shots a night, that’s a huge drop off in efficiency and he fell off tremendously as a player after Nash (for multiple reasons not just losing his playmaking. For his career his had a 63TS% with Nash and 56% Nash, you see an instant and major increase in efficiency when Nash came in year 3 and the the same type of decrease when Amare left the Knicks.

Playmaking is the most important factor for and majority of all bigs scoring wise but he also needs to tinker his shot diet to help here as well and hopefully they work on that with him like they did with Tyler. Tyler didn’t increase his shot attempts a ton or anything this season, they tinkered his shot diet to get him to take better and more efficient looks and he learned the Harden swing through move when driving to draw more fouls

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[3ballbomber]

https://www.statmuse.com/nba/ask/most-playoff-wins-in-last-5-years

That’s alot of Jimmy (thanks Wade), Bam which was a great draft pick, and Spo. Should’ve tried to maximize the window instead of sitting on their hands being delusional in undrafted guys and Tyler. Only team in the top 6 there without a championship in the 2020s, I know you don’t think they did everything they could to win it all.

We have a top four organization in the league (period). Who are the Heat without Wade? Question could also be, who is Wade without the Heat? Who is Butler without the Heat. Who was LeBron without the Heat. So on and so forth….

You can’t go ”all in” all the time… there just ain’t enough assets to have that type of control to go all in all the time.

Fanboy back to same bullsh*t. Get the f*ck out of here if you dislike Miami Heat so damn much. You can glaze Edrica frm your cave lol

[MiamiLoyal926]

There she is, was waiting on her to wake up but she must’ve slept in.

Don’t do it.. do not revert back!!! You were doing so well, elevating healthy and logical discourse!! Stay focused, Heat are awesome, but could be better because of xyz!

[batterybro42]

That’s alot of Jimmy (thanks Wade), Bam which was a great draft pick, and Spo. Should’ve tried to maximize the window instead of sitting on their hands being delusional in undrafted guys and Tyler. Only team in the top 6 there without a championship in the 2020s, I know you don’t think they did everything they could to win it all.

We have a top four organization in the league (period). Who are the Heat without Wade? Question could also be, who is Wade without the Heat? Who is Butler without the Heat. Who was LeBron without the Heat. So on and so forth….

You can’t go ”all in” all the time… there just ain’t enough assets to have that type of control to go all in all the time.

Fanboy back to same bullsh*t. Get the f*ck out of here if you dislike Miami Heat so damn much. You can glaze Edrica frm your cave lol

People act like the 90s Heat were some type of Joke

That was one of the top teams in the league they just happened to play in Jordan’s Eastern Conference. Then in 2000 made some moves to really contend, and were finals favorites in the post Jordan era. Had Zo, Hardaway, Thunder Dan, Prime Eddie Jones, Bruce Bowen, Ricky Davis, and Brian Grant. Then Zo gets diagnosed with Kidney disease right before the season starts, and that build goes with it.

Miami was an expansion team before Riley got there in 95, and he flipped them almost immediately into a team hovering around championship contention for the last 30 years. The disrespect has gotten to be a bit too much.

In those 30 years they have been in the conference finals 10 of those years. So 1/3rd of the time since Riley arrived in South Beach we’ve been playing a 7 game series to get into the finals, do you understand how wild that is?

To put it in modern terms this would be like some guy showing up in Charlotte back in 2011 turning them into a perennial contender and the top team in the Eastern Conference over a 3 decade span

[DayofMourning]

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Our worst nightmare

Id play him 48 minutes a game and let him shoot it 30 times.

Then Id draft DP.

[3ammy3uck3ts]

There she is, was waiting on her to wake up but she must’ve slept in.

Don’t do it.. do not revert back!!! You were doing so well, elevating healthy and logical discourse!! Stay focused, Heat are awesome, but could be better because of xyz!

I can’t even fire back at my biggest fan?!

[3ballbomber]

https://www.statmuse.com/nba/ask/most-playoff-wins-in-last-5-years

Yep. It is funny seeing how fans will downplay this, I think a lot of it stems from fans that came over during the big 3 years and see it as a birthright to win it every season. Its unfortunate we came up short the last two finals trips, but one thing for certain is if you look at the track record HEAT as an organization has consistently been pretty damn good and its a credit to the ecosystem they’ve built.

There was a rant on here in a now locked thread justifying why fans are spoilt & how it’s a positive thing. Hell of a thing to read. It’s a microwave mentality not understanding it’s a process involved to be successful the way we have been inspite of some down seasons. We’re not going to be legit contenders every single season, we’re not going to land whales every single season. That’s not how this works. The lebron stack-your-team era have fans twisted. We’re going to struggle & have obstacles. We can all sit in our lounge rooms like pseudo GM’s & think we’d make better decisions everytime, every season organising & managing an entire team & players. Ya’ll are trippin if you think you’d be perfect everytime than the professionals directly involved in this sport at a high level, especially the class of people we have.

We’ve been more successful than 90% of the league. Fans want us to be like every mediocre organisation w/ some of the trades & decisions posted here. Link above is a fact about how successful our organisation has been & will continue to be.

[3ballbomber]

There she is, was waiting on her to wake up but she must’ve slept in.

Don’t do it.. do not revert back!!! You were doing so well, elevating healthy and logical discourse!! Stay focused, Heat are awesome, but could be better because of xyz!

Great encouragement. Give him a cuddle

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[BadMofoPimp]

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Twitters a few days late but they’ve gotten the memo

I would even toss in an extra second if need be

Take Wiggins and a 1st or KJ too while we’re at it and send Giddey back here as well.

That would be epic! Vooch has been one of my favorites for years, but he is 34yo while still being very productive. Solid passer as well. Just poor on Defense would need some Bam help which could be fine. I would love that lineup.

[MettaWorldPanda]

Vucevic would be a perfect back up here. His stretch capabilities would be invaluable in the front court with Bam. Not sure i would play him with Ware but Bam and Jovic for sure.