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Miami Heat 2016 Offseason Thread; "It will be fun in July"- July-er(Part XIII)

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Re: Miami Heat 2016 Offseason Thread; "It will be fun in July"- July-er(Part XIII) 

Post#1241 » by contract » Mon Jul 25, 2016 5:39 pm

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NBADraft2003 wrote:2) That doesn't make any sense when we had Wade's bird rights until this offseason. How did Pat force him into anything? Takes two to tango. What was Wade's market value in 2014? 2015? Practically nothing but minimum to mid level exceptions to other teams in 2014. He was worth $12+ million to us that offseason and notice how is only other suitor was the Bulls too. They wasn't going to sign Wade until their other top options signed and then see if Wade wanted to hop on that for low salary. Don't blame Riley for Wade's market value when Dwyane has to actually build that himself.

I'm sorry, you think Wade's market value increased from age 32 to age 34? :roll:

As was proven this offseason, it was always a myth that there was no market for Wade. The only thing restricting his market was his unwillingness to move. If you paid attention right up until the end, most GMs simply didn't believe that he was serious about leaving.

The Bulls came up every time he became a free agent for obvious reasons. That's where he's from, and that's the only place he'd actually consider leaving here for. As you can see, there was more money available elsewhere, and he chose to go to Chicago anyway.

I'm not sure why you're bringing up Wade's market value. His market value was $50 mil/2 years, and the Heat wouldn't get anywhere near it.

3) Miami's final offer was for $21.5 million, that's all they COULD offer after no longer having Dwyane's bird rights. They definitely wasn't going to attach anymore picks, Justise, or Josh to anybody to move a contract and I wouldn't have either.

I'm amazed how that "final offer" keeps growing the more time passes. The Heat offered ~ $40 mil/2 years ($19.6 mil + $20.4 mil).

People need to quit acting like Pat Riley was blindsided by the 2016 offseason. He knew it was coming. It was on his calendar. He planned for it. He had plans to pay who he wanted to pay, and he did. He had no intentions of paying Wade. That is why there wasn't even $20 mil in cap space available to keep Wade at the same salary as last season. The money wasn't there because Pat made sure it wasn't there ... even signing Briante Weber in April.

http://heathoops.com/2016/04/miami-heat-signs-guard-briante-weber-to-three-year-deal/

In order to offer Wade $19.6 mil, he would have had to cut Weber. WTF sense did it make to offer Weber any amount of guaranteed money while trying to force Wade into a pay cut?

After paying Whiteside, there was only $18.9 mil available for Wade. Every dime above that meant letting players go. That is what Pat Riley budgeted for. That was not a mistake. That was not due to unforeseen circumstances. That is the way he wanted it. He was going to force Wade into another pay cut just like he did last season, and the season before that.

Quit making excuses for Pat Riley's behavior.

Myth? Lol, Dwyane had a $25 million per year market value in 2014 and 2015? Maybe if Dwyane played 70+ games every year and looked like he did in the Playoffs but he didn't. You think that market was always there for him? Lmao. All I needed to hear. Oh dear God, Briante's little bit of 200k of guaranteed money hindered Wade from getting his money? Come on now. I'm sure that this team we had was the plan, so sure of it. Instead of paying Dwyane, Pat really wanted to give that money to phucking James Johnson, Wayne Ellington, and Derrick Williams. Get rid of Dwyane for them was the plan all along...

I didn't say that Wade's market value in 2014 was $25mil per, I said it was a myth that there was no market for him. I don't even think that $25 mil would have been possible before the spike in the cap. What I am saying is that he didn't have to sign for the $15 mil he got here for 2014.
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Re: Miami Heat 2016 Offseason Thread; "It will be fun in July"- July-er(Part XIII) 

Post#1242 » by contract » Mon Jul 25, 2016 5:45 pm

Hallstar wrote:Karl Anthony Towns?..yeah, but nobody is throwing a franchise behind Winslow right now

All of our young players will become superstars. That's not just true this season, it's true every season.
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Post#1243 » by RexBoyWonder » Mon Jul 25, 2016 5:50 pm

Nobody is throwing a franchise behind any player expect maybe 7 players in this league.

We have good young talent, to soon to tell how good.

Whatever you think about the Wade situation, don't throw **** on the current players and team, it doesn't make him or you look better.
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Re: Miami Heat 2016 Offseason Thread; "It will be fun in July"- July-er(Part XIII) 

Post#1244 » by NBADraft2003 » Mon Jul 25, 2016 5:55 pm

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contract wrote:I'm sorry, you think Wade's market value increased from age 32 to age 34? :roll:

As was proven this offseason, it was always a myth that there was no market for Wade. The only thing restricting his market was his unwillingness to move. If you paid attention right up until the end, most GMs simply didn't believe that he was serious about leaving.

The Bulls came up every time he became a free agent for obvious reasons. That's where he's from, and that's the only place he'd actually consider leaving here for. As you can see, there was more money available elsewhere, and he chose to go to Chicago anyway.

I'm not sure why you're bringing up Wade's market value. His market value was $50 mil/2 years, and the Heat wouldn't get anywhere near it.


I'm amazed how that "final offer" keeps growing the more time passes. The Heat offered ~ $40 mil/2 years ($19.6 mil + $20.4 mil).

People need to quit acting like Pat Riley was blindsided by the 2016 offseason. He knew it was coming. It was on his calendar. He planned for it. He had plans to pay who he wanted to pay, and he did. He had no intentions of paying Wade. That is why there wasn't even $20 mil in cap space available to keep Wade at the same salary as last season. The money wasn't there because Pat made sure it wasn't there ... even signing Briante Weber in April.

http://heathoops.com/2016/04/miami-heat-signs-guard-briante-weber-to-three-year-deal/

In order to offer Wade $19.6 mil, he would have had to cut Weber. WTF sense did it make to offer Weber any amount of guaranteed money while trying to force Wade into a pay cut?

After paying Whiteside, there was only $18.9 mil available for Wade. Every dime above that meant letting players go. That is what Pat Riley budgeted for. That was not a mistake. That was not due to unforeseen circumstances. That is the way he wanted it. He was going to force Wade into another pay cut just like he did last season, and the season before that.

Quit making excuses for Pat Riley's behavior.

Myth? Lol, Dwyane had a $25 million per year market value in 2014 and 2015? Maybe if Dwyane played 70+ games every year and looked like he did in the Playoffs but he didn't. You think that market was always there for him? Lmao. All I needed to hear. Oh dear God, Briante's little bit of 200k of guaranteed money hindered Wade from getting his money? Come on now. I'm sure that this team we had was the plan, so sure of it. Instead of paying Dwyane, Pat really wanted to give that money to phucking James Johnson, Wayne Ellington, and Derrick Williams. Get rid of Dwyane for them was the plan all along...

I didn't say that Wade's market value in 2014 was $25mil per, I said it was a myth that there was no market for him. I don't even think that $25 mil would have been possible before the spike in the cap. What I am saying is that he didn't have to sign for the $15 mil he got here for 2014.

There wasn't a market for him in 2014. The only other team to "register" interest was the team that he's on now. In the 2013/14 season, he played in 54 games out of 82 and fell apart completely. He was god awful in the Finals, the whole team was. All that bullcrap that Tim Grover was spewing and we got nothing that he advertised, was god when Dwyane switched it up. Dwyane also got fat as the season went on...

He could've signed for more than the $15 million, the only reason he took a pay cut was to have a decent team around him. The only way that he was going to get the full $20.64 max was if LeBron AND Bosh left, even then I think that we would've went through this offseason during the 2014 one.
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Post#1245 » by eddieheatfan » Mon Jul 25, 2016 6:06 pm

NBADraft2003 wrote:
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Myth? Lol, Dwyane had a $25 million per year market value in 2014 and 2015? Maybe if Dwyane played 70+ games every year and looked like he did in the Playoffs but he didn't. You think that market was always there for him? Lmao. All I needed to hear. Oh dear God, Briante's little bit of 200k of guaranteed money hindered Wade from getting his money? Come on now. I'm sure that this team we had was the plan, so sure of it. Instead of paying Dwyane, Pat really wanted to give that money to phucking James Johnson, Wayne Ellington, and Derrick Williams. Get rid of Dwyane for them was the plan all along...

I didn't say that Wade's market value in 2014 was $25mil per, I said it was a myth that there was no market for him. I don't even think that $25 mil would have been possible before the spike in the cap. What I am saying is that he didn't have to sign for the $15 mil he got here for 2014.

There wasn't a market for him in 2014. The only other team to "register" interest was the team that he's on now. In the 2013/14 season, he played in 54 games out of 82 and fell apart completely. He was god awful in the Finals, the whole team was. All that bullcrap that Tim Grover was spewing and we got nothing that he advertised, was god when Dwyane switched it up. Dwyane also got fat as the season went on...

He could've signed for more than the $15 million, the only reason he took a pay cut was to have a decent team around him. The only way that he was going to get the full $20.64 max was if LeBron AND Bosh left, even then I think that we would've went through this offseason during the 2014 one.
good perspective right there.he used to be great but his knees and age are a problem that thankfully chicago will have to deal with now instead of our heat team.its possible that next year he will be wearing a cavaturd uniform as the bulls fails or are exited in the first rnd of the playoffs.this past season put nice playoff numbers but he couldnt carry the team past barney and friends....
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Re: Miami Heat 2016 Offseason Thread; "It will be fun in July"- July-er(Part XIII) 

Post#1246 » by contract » Mon Jul 25, 2016 6:15 pm

eddieheatfan wrote:
NBADraft2003 wrote:
contract wrote:I didn't say that Wade's market value in 2014 was $25mil per, I said it was a myth that there was no market for him. I don't even think that $25 mil would have been possible before the spike in the cap. What I am saying is that he didn't have to sign for the $15 mil he got here for 2014.

There wasn't a market for him in 2014. The only other team to "register" interest was the team that he's on now. In the 2013/14 season, he played in 54 games out of 82 and fell apart completely. He was god awful in the Finals, the whole team was. All that bullcrap that Tim Grover was spewing and we got nothing that he advertised, was god when Dwyane switched it up. Dwyane also got fat as the season went on...

He could've signed for more than the $15 million, the only reason he took a pay cut was to have a decent team around him. The only way that he was going to get the full $20.64 max was if LeBron AND Bosh left, even then I think that we would've went through this offseason during the 2014 one.
good perspective right there.he used to be great but his knees and age are a problem that thankfully chicago will have to deal with now instead of our heat team.its possible that next year he will be wearing a cavaturd uniform as the bulls fails or are exited in the first rnd of the playoffs.this past season put nice playoff numbers but he couldnt carry the team past barney and friends....

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Post#1247 » by Hallstar » Mon Jul 25, 2016 6:16 pm

RexBoyWonder wrote:Nobody is throwing a franchise behind any player expect maybe 7 players in this league.

We have good young talent, to soon to tell how good.

Whatever you think about the Wade situation, don't throw **** on the current players and team, it doesn't make him or you look better.

It's not throwing **** on current players if you don't think we have a contending core for the next 5 years though.
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Re: Miami Heat 2016 Offseason Thread; "It will be fun in July"- July-er(Part XIII) 

Post#1248 » by NBADraft2003 » Mon Jul 25, 2016 6:20 pm

eddieheatfan wrote:
NBADraft2003 wrote:
contract wrote:I didn't say that Wade's market value in 2014 was $25mil per, I said it was a myth that there was no market for him. I don't even think that $25 mil would have been possible before the spike in the cap. What I am saying is that he didn't have to sign for the $15 mil he got here for 2014.

There wasn't a market for him in 2014. The only other team to "register" interest was the team that he's on now. In the 2013/14 season, he played in 54 games out of 82 and fell apart completely. He was god awful in the Finals, the whole team was. All that bullcrap that Tim Grover was spewing and we got nothing that he advertised, was god when Dwyane switched it up. Dwyane also got fat as the season went on...

He could've signed for more than the $15 million, the only reason he took a pay cut was to have a decent team around him. The only way that he was going to get the full $20.64 max was if LeBron AND Bosh left, even then I think that we would've went through this offseason during the 2014 one.
good perspective right there.he used to be great but his knees and age are a problem that thankfully chicago will have to deal with now instead of our heat team.its possible that next year he will be wearing a cavaturd uniform as the bulls fails or are exited in the first rnd of the playoffs.this past season put nice playoff numbers but he couldnt carry the team past barney and friends....

I'd take those knees and age for a few more years if he continued his new regimen, his body responded very well working with David Alexander. Coming off that type of production, he deserved exactly what he got this offseason by building his market up. To be fair, he did what he could without his starting front court and pushed them to 7 games.

I want to make this clear, I'm not blaming Dwyane or the front office. They both had a hand in this terrible situation and who is paying for it the most? We are.
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Re: Miami Heat 2016 Offseason Thread; "It will be fun in July"- July-er(Part XIII) 

Post#1249 » by MettaWorldPanda » Mon Jul 25, 2016 7:01 pm

[tweet]https://twitter.com/AP_Sports/status/757651630863024128[/tweet]

[tweet]https://twitter.com/APkrawczynski/status/757650674121314304[/tweet]

Worth the gamble at that price. If anyone can turn this dude around it's us.
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Post#1250 » by Heat_Fan_87 » Mon Jul 25, 2016 7:03 pm

LMFAO

Lets get it boys!
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Post#1251 » by afour495+ » Mon Jul 25, 2016 7:04 pm

well now we actually have some trade pieces
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Post#1252 » by afour495+ » Mon Jul 25, 2016 7:06 pm

Mcgruder Dropped? or mcroberts traded?
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Post#1253 » by Bishop45 » Mon Jul 25, 2016 7:06 pm

Mion... Babbitt... Ellington
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Post#1254 » by Heat_Fan_87 » Mon Jul 25, 2016 7:09 pm

wonder what number he wears
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Post#1255 » by Myam333 » Mon Jul 25, 2016 7:10 pm

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Hold on and stop with this BS. The big three honored there contract. They signed it with an opt out, its part of the freaking contract in print. If you have or had an issue with that please look at Pat. Pat agreed to that...

And Wade put himself above the team by opting out to take a pay cut! :lol:


Did you read this:
Lebron, Wade and Bosh all wanted 5 year deals for themselves... they all opt- out
***'So that cost Miami Heat 4 first round picks'
No but it was the players choice to opt-out and leave the GM with a take it or leave it choice. Why would I have a problem with Pat Riley? Remember Bosh only came back for the Max, and see where that got us. Again, no problem for them making the most money but I am not here for a player.
No problem. Everyone is entitled to do whatever. Problem is all of this whinning about Pat.


Let just move forward with the players with Miami Heat. Loved Wade but he gone, his choice he is now following his dream in Chicago. Not in any of my dreams do I cheer for Chicago.


*** I am no longer talking about this subject. Stick to Miami Heat information future not past.

My money is on Josh becoming a full time starter at the 2. He hungry....

Yeah, some people need to just head the the Bulls board already. Don't know why they're still here.
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Post#1256 » by Hallstar » Mon Jul 25, 2016 7:12 pm

MettaWorldPanda wrote:[tweet]https://twitter.com/AP_Sports/status/757651630863024128[/tweet]

[tweet]https://twitter.com/APkrawczynski/status/757650674121314304[/tweet]

Worth the gamble at that price. If anyone can turn this dude around it's us.

offseason keeps getting better lol

At least he's cheap
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Post#1257 » by BFRESH44 » Mon Jul 25, 2016 7:12 pm

That's quite interesting. Not a big fan of Waiters, but for that value, why not?
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Post#1258 » by Bishop45 » Mon Jul 25, 2016 7:16 pm

Revv up the Mion thread, papi's. Thank Iggie for his unrulyness
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Post#1259 » by Myam333 » Mon Jul 25, 2016 7:16 pm

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NBADraft2003 wrote:
contract wrote:I didn't say that Wade's market value in 2014 was $25mil per, I said it was a myth that there was no market for him. I don't even think that $25 mil would have been possible before the spike in the cap. What I am saying is that he didn't have to sign for the $15 mil he got here for 2014.

There wasn't a market for him in 2014. The only other team to "register" interest was the team that he's on now. In the 2013/14 season, he played in 54 games out of 82 and fell apart completely. He was god awful in the Finals, the whole team was. All that bullcrap that Tim Grover was spewing and we got nothing that he advertised, was god when Dwyane switched it up. Dwyane also got fat as the season went on...

He could've signed for more than the $15 million, the only reason he took a pay cut was to have a decent team around him. The only way that he was going to get the full $20.64 max was if LeBron AND Bosh left, even then I think that we would've went through this offseason during the 2014 one.
good perspective right there.he used to be great but his knees and age are a problem that thankfully chicago will have to deal with now instead of our heat team.its possible that next year he will be wearing a cavaturd uniform as the bulls fails or are exited in the first rnd of the playoffs.this past season put nice playoff numbers but he couldnt carry the team past barney and friends....

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Post#1260 » by Myam333 » Mon Jul 25, 2016 7:17 pm

afour495+ wrote:Mcgruder Dropped? or mcroberts traded?

I want Ellington gone

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