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Re: Miami Heat Offseason Thread 3.0: Dame Time 

Post#1261 » by 3ammy3uck3ts » Thu Jun 22, 2023 7:21 pm

Got more for CP0 than they did for Beal and KP combined lol
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Post#1262 » by 3ammy3uck3ts » Thu Jun 22, 2023 7:21 pm

So Lowry can get you a solid player on a long term deal and a 1st?!
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Post#1263 » by Spacely » Thu Jun 22, 2023 7:22 pm

3ammy3uck3ts wrote:
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3ammy3uck3ts wrote:CP0 to the warriors for Poole

Poole wasn't all that good for the warriors, was terrible on defense, and mediocre on offensive production. Chris paul is way pass his expiration time, and super injury prone, its a dumb swap if you ask me, since the hope is as Pool matures you hope he begins to make up the differences from Klay Thompson and Steph Curry dropping off in offensive production....

Could be a cash dump for GS, to then go a waive CP3. They may want to resign Green.


Poole is basically Herro but I think they need to free that money up to retain green and also contract stuff coming up elsewhere as well. Who knows


Let’s be real Herro >>> Poole
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Post#1264 » by Lennyzinho » Thu Jun 22, 2023 7:23 pm

3ammy3uck3ts wrote:
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3ammy3uck3ts wrote:CP0 to the warriors for Poole

Poole wasn't all that good for the warriors, was terrible on defense, and mediocre on offensive production. Chris paul is way pass his expiration time, and super injury prone, its a dumb swap if you ask me, since the hope is as Pool matures you hope he begins to make up the differences from Klay Thompson and Steph Curry dropping off in offensive production....

Could be a cash dump for GS, to then go a waive CP3. They may want to resign Green.


Poole is basically Herro but I think they need to free that money up to retain green and also contract stuff coming up elsewhere as well. Who knows


Washington has made it clear all offseason it doesn't want long term deals. So it required picks. And Poole is a great lotto ticket and tank commander for wizards.
I dont think this means Herro is a negative asset, Poole was widely regarded around the league as below Herro and RJ after this past season. I dont think Herro is getting you multiple firsts either though.

Warriors knew they had to move Poole or Draymond. Teams also knew this. Warriors had to pay up
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Post#1265 » by 3ammy3uck3ts » Thu Jun 22, 2023 7:24 pm

Spacely wrote:
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IceColdCubano wrote:Poole wasn't all that good for the warriors, was terrible on defense, and mediocre on offensive production. Chris paul is way pass his expiration time, and super injury prone, its a dumb swap if you ask me, since the hope is as Pool matures you hope he begins to make up the differences from Klay Thompson and Steph Curry dropping off in offensive production....

Could be a cash dump for GS, to then go a waive CP3. They may want to resign Green.


Poole is basically Herro but I think they need to free that money up to retain green and also contract stuff coming up elsewhere as well. Who knows


Let’s be real Herro >>> Poole


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Post#1266 » by Vertical Limit » Thu Jun 22, 2023 7:25 pm

3ammy3uck3ts wrote:So Lowry can get you a solid player on a long term deal and a 1st?!

Yes… every offseason teams are looking for expirings.. thats why i said, we have the assets to make a move.. but the heat are going to hold onto that expiring until the right move is available.. i can see them holding onto lowry until near the deadline.. they want a significant upgrade for that expiring, not some guy like porzingis.
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Post#1267 » by MiamiLoyal926 » Thu Jun 22, 2023 7:25 pm

You would think that with this strict tax implications coming up in the new CBA, owners would have at least pushed for an amnesty clause for at least one contract?!? Without a get out of jail free card, teams are now making dumb trades to get out of contracts that were signed before the CBA. Either include an amnesty clause, or don’t have old deals count against these new rules.

Instead, you have dumb teams like the wizards getting in line to take in your bad deals, get worse, all for draft capital. Almost comes off like panhandling.
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Post#1268 » by Lennyzinho » Thu Jun 22, 2023 7:26 pm

3ammy3uck3ts wrote:Got more for CP0 than they did for Beal and KP combined lol


Getting CP3 and Tyus is part of the return package. And turning them into more assets is part of the plan. Same way they would've traded Lowry if we had done Dipo and him. You can't judge the Wiz until all the moves have taken place.
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Post#1269 » by SoFlaKingReal » Thu Jun 22, 2023 7:28 pm

Lennyzinho wrote:
3ammy3uck3ts wrote:Got more for CP0 than they did for Beal and KP combined lol


Getting CP3 and Tyus is part of the return package. And turning them into more assets is part of the plan. Same way they would've traded Lowry if we had done Dipo and him. You can't judge the Wiz until all the moves have taken place.


Oh, we can judge them lol
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Post#1270 » by powerball1373 » Thu Jun 22, 2023 7:30 pm

3ammy3uck3ts wrote:
Spacely wrote:
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Poole is basically Herro but I think they need to free that money up to retain green and also contract stuff coming up elsewhere as well. Who knows


Let’s be real Herro >>> Poole


Why?


As someone that watches and roots for both teams, I agree that Herro >>> Poole. Herro is better in almost every statistical category and as bad as you think he is on defense, Poole is much much worse. Also, Herro doesn't get punched in the face by teammates.
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Post#1271 » by CanesHeatFins » Thu Jun 22, 2023 7:32 pm

After we fail at getting an unavailable Lillard...Id love for us to pivot to Brook Lopez or Nikola Vucevic.
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Post#1272 » by NightWatch » Thu Jun 22, 2023 7:32 pm

3ammy3uck3ts wrote:
Read on Twitter


Something like this, that’s good value



Thumb down. I want Kawhi Leonard. I never forget the 2017 playoff, Spurs vs Warriors when Kawhi overwhelmed the warriors to where they had absolutely no answer and looks like the spurs could’ve ended the series with 4-0. Never mind before Zara injured him.
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Post#1273 » by greg4012 » Thu Jun 22, 2023 7:35 pm

3ammy3uck3ts wrote:
Spacely wrote:
3ammy3uck3ts wrote:
Poole is basically Herro but I think they need to free that money up to retain green and also contract stuff coming up elsewhere as well. Who knows


Let’s be real Herro >>> Poole


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Post#1274 » by wade44 » Thu Jun 22, 2023 7:36 pm

Damn that was a get out of jail free card if I’ve ever seen one. Only 15 million guaranteed for Paul for next season and non guaranteed the year after. Textbook way to shave 15 million off the books without giving up any assets assuming GS releases him
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Post#1275 » by greg4012 » Thu Jun 22, 2023 7:37 pm

MiamiLoyal926 wrote:You would think that with this strict tax implications coming up in the new CBA, owners would have at least pushed for an amnesty clause for at least one contract?!? Without a get out of jail free card, teams are now making dumb trades to get out of contracts that were signed before the CBA. Either include an amnesty clause, or don’t have old deals count against these new rules.

Instead, you have dumb teams like the wizards getting in line to take in your bad deals, get worse, all for draft capital. Almost comes off like panhandling.


The OKC model and the Philly "process" were as toxic for the NBA as the Celtics & Heat Big 3 precedents
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Post#1276 » by Grumpy Heat Fan » Thu Jun 22, 2023 7:38 pm

And still we do nothing
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Post#1277 » by SoFlaKingReal » Thu Jun 22, 2023 7:39 pm

Pharenheit wrote:Damn that was a get out of jail free card if I’ve ever seen one. Only 15 million guaranteed for Paul for next season and non guaranteed the year after. Textbook way to shave 15 million off the books without giving up any assets assuming GS releases him


GS gave up Poole and 1st.
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Post#1278 » by powerball1373 » Thu Jun 22, 2023 7:40 pm

NightWatch wrote:
3ammy3uck3ts wrote:
Read on Twitter


Something like this, that’s good value



Thumb down. I want Kawhi Leonard. I never forget the 2017 playoff, Spurs vs Warriors when Kawhi overwhelmed the warriors to where they had absolutely no answer and looks like the spurs could’ve ended the series with 4-0. Never mind before Zara injured him.


It looked like the Spurs were gonna win 4-0 because they jumped out to a big lead in GAME 1? Lmao wat.
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Post#1279 » by NightWatch » Thu Jun 22, 2023 7:42 pm

CanesHeatFins wrote:After we fail at getting an unavailable Lillard...Id love for us to pivot to Brook Lopez or Nikola Vucevic.


Dame hasn’t done anything when playing with stars. Kawhi would be a much better candidate
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Post#1280 » by wade44 » Thu Jun 22, 2023 7:43 pm

SoFlaKingReal wrote:
Pharenheit wrote:Damn that was a get out of jail free card if I’ve ever seen one. Only 15 million guaranteed for Paul for next season and non guaranteed the year after. Textbook way to shave 15 million off the books without giving up any assets assuming GS releases him


GS gave up Poole and 1st.


It all depends on the protections. If the pick falls into a likely protected range, then it’s probably going to be just 2 second rounders or so

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