2025 Regular Season Thread Vol. 8

[3ammy3uck3ts]

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There you go Bam, talk your ****. The disrespect was insane

[VaDe255]

Interesting, because from my vantage I see you as deflecting from the actual argument and arguing a strawman because of preconceived sensitivities to positions taken and the poster.

All Bammy was suggesting was that given the current team construct, Bam warrants a larger share of offensive focus and can actually produce when the offense is structured for him to get looks. I don't think Bammy was indicating that Bam should be on the perimeter operating as the primary source of CREATING offense, just that more sets should be run for him without having players that want to occupy the same parts of the court getting in his way.

Saying "the data shows Miami's offense collapses when Bam has to create without quality shot creators" is such a red herring, because what offense in the history of basketball doesn't collapse without quality shot creators? The number of highly productive offensive bigs that succeed without quality perimeter creators is basically just 2 (and one is facing career-ending injuries and the other is arguably the best player in the world and has still had better perimeter creators on his squad than Bam).

Let's ask Bammy--what did you mean by your post? Do you want Bam to be the primary offensive creator from the perimeter or do you want more of the offense catered to create looks for him?

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Love the notion that defense and quality frontcourt play is not necessary for championship contention. Comedy hour is back on the menu.

As if almost every NBA champion of the past decade hasn't featured some of the most versatile frontcourt play in the NBA.

No one said defense and quality frontcourt play aren’t important, that’s a complete strawman. What you do need, and what nearly every champion has had, is elite perimeter and wing creators who can consistently bend defenses, collapse the paint, and generate quality looks. Bam clearly isn’t one.

Bam’s defensive versatility is valuable, but history shows you can absolutely build a contending team without a maxed-out big especially one who relies on others to create advantages for him offensively. Teams win with elite wings and guards driving the offense, supported by capable, versatile frontcourt players not the other way around.

Most importantly, let’s not forget how this all started: Bammy argued Bam should be the primary offensive option, taking 18-20 shots a game the rest of the way. That’s the argument being challenged. This was never about whether Bam is a good player, it’s about whether you can build a functional offense by running it through him. The data says no, and the history of championship teams says no.

We’re actually on the same page, you’re just trying to twist the argument into something else for no reason.

1) you conveniently avoided all the things you were proven misguided on

2) are you contending that defense and quality frontcourt aren't a necessity? Because Bam is as much of an all-in-one player in terms of big man skillset and defensive impact that is perfectly suited for playoff ball as anyone in the NBA aside from AD. And you just finished suggesting that a player like Bam is a "valuable complementary piece" but is "not a necessity for building a contender"

3) Did you not see Bammy's post confirming that my interpretation of his original post was that which he was communicating and not yours? He confirmed (the original source himself) that you were the one twisting his words to try to make a point.

Interesting.

Yeah, I’m out. Enjoy arguing with yourself.

[greg4012]

No one said defense and quality frontcourt play aren’t important, that’s a complete strawman. What you do need, and what nearly every champion has had, is elite perimeter and wing creators who can consistently bend defenses, collapse the paint, and generate quality looks. Bam clearly isn’t one.

Bam’s defensive versatility is valuable, but history shows you can absolutely build a contending team without a maxed-out big especially one who relies on others to create advantages for him offensively. Teams win with elite wings and guards driving the offense, supported by capable, versatile frontcourt players not the other way around.

Most importantly, let’s not forget how this all started: Bammy argued Bam should be the primary offensive option, taking 18-20 shots a game the rest of the way. That’s the argument being challenged. This was never about whether Bam is a good player, it’s about whether you can build a functional offense by running it through him. The data says no, and the history of championship teams says no.

We’re actually on the same page, you’re just trying to twist the argument into something else for no reason.

1) you conveniently avoided all the things you were proven misguided on

2) are you contending that defense and quality frontcourt aren't a necessity? Because Bam is as much of an all-in-one player in terms of big man skillset and defensive impact that is perfectly suited for playoff ball as anyone in the NBA aside from AD. And you just finished suggesting that a player like Bam is a "valuable complementary piece" but is "not a necessity for building a contender"

3) Did you not see Bammy's post confirming that my interpretation of his original post was that which he was communicating and not yours? He confirmed (the original source himself) that you were the one twisting his words to try to make a point.

Interesting.

Yeah, I’m out. Enjoy arguing with yourself.

I have clarity so I don't need to argue with myself. I've accomplished what I needed to.

[3ammy3uck3ts]

1) you conveniently avoided all the things you were proven misguided on

2) are you contending that defense and quality frontcourt aren't a necessity? Because Bam is as much of an all-in-one player in terms of big man skillset and defensive impact that is perfectly suited for playoff ball as anyone in the NBA aside from AD. And you just finished suggesting that a player like Bam is a "valuable complementary piece" but is "not a necessity for building a contender"

3) Did you not see Bammy's post confirming that my interpretation of his original post was that which he was communicating and not yours? He confirmed (the original source himself) that you were the one twisting his words to try to make a point.

Interesting.

Yeah, I’m out. Enjoy arguing with yourself.

I have clarity so I don't need to argue with myself. I've accomplished what I needed to.

They just can’t give credit where it’s due

[3ammy3uck3ts]

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[VaDe255]

Yeah, I’m out. Enjoy arguing with yourself.

I have clarity so I don't need to argue with myself. I've accomplished what I needed to.

They just can’t give credit where it’s due

Credit for what? A subpar season and a team sitting below .500?

This is a mid team, led by Bam and Herro. Bam already got paid, and Herro’s about to. They’re just a few bad front office decisions away (and let’s be real, the FO has made plenty lately) from locking themselves into long term mediocrity.

People act like the Heat have some bright future ahead. They’re just different versions of the Gobert/Mitchell Jazz or the OG/Siakam Raptors; mid teams that eventually sold off, Raptors also did it too late

[3ammy3uck3ts]

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Last thing and I’ll quit beating the dead horse, I believe this was an article from today. This is a schematics thing, not a “bam can’t do this, bam can’t do that, Bams not aggressive he’s a pussy bitch who’s afraid to score” (yes unfortunately the last comment came from this board). Bam has been tasked with so much more ahead of scoring the ball, now he’s finally been freed up a little playing with another big and we’re getting to see a top 20 player show what he’s capable of doing on both sides of the court at a high level.

[3ammy3uck3ts]

I have clarity so I don't need to argue with myself. I've accomplished what I needed to.

They just can’t give credit where it’s due

Credit for what? A subpar season and a team sitting below .500?

This is a mid team, led by Bam and Herro. Bam already got paid, and Herro’s about to. They’re just a few bad front office decisions away (and let’s be real, the FO has made plenty lately) from locking themselves into long term mediocrity.

People act like the Heat have some bright future ahead. They’re just different versions of the Gobert/Mitchell Jazz or the OG/Siakam Raptors; mid teams that eventually sold off, Raptors also did it too late

Do you think they’ll give Herro a $50M a year extension?

[VaDe255]

They just can’t give credit where it’s due

Credit for what? A subpar season and a team sitting below .500?

This is a mid team, led by Bam and Herro. Bam already got paid, and Herro’s about to. They’re just a few bad front office decisions away (and let’s be real, the FO has made plenty lately) from locking themselves into long term mediocrity.

People act like the Heat have some bright future ahead. They’re just different versions of the Gobert/Mitchell Jazz or the OG/Siakam Raptors; mid teams that eventually sold off, Raptors also did it too late

Do you think they’ll give Herro a $50M a year extension?

Given their track record, I think they will. You saw how Pat reacted when Herro won the 3p contest?

Even I wouldn't do it, simply because he's not worth that.
They could also wait another year and see how Herro develops, at his current level, I'd think 35-40m range would be what they should try to sign him for.

The most valuable thing in this CBA is good contracts and flexibility. Having players on contracts that are paid fairly or exceed their value is the way to go. If a guy wants more you have to trade him, just you look at PG, the 76ers overpaid and this will cripple them for a long time from now.

[3ammy3uck3ts]

Credit for what? A subpar season and a team sitting below .500?

This is a mid team, led by Bam and Herro. Bam already got paid, and Herro’s about to. They’re just a few bad front office decisions away (and let’s be real, the FO has made plenty lately) from locking themselves into long term mediocrity.

People act like the Heat have some bright future ahead. They’re just different versions of the Gobert/Mitchell Jazz or the OG/Siakam Raptors; mid teams that eventually sold off, Raptors also did it too late

Do you think they’ll give Herro a $50M a year extension?

Given their track record, I think they will. You saw how Pat reacted when Herro won the 3p contest?

Even I wouldn't do it, simply because he's not worth that.
They could also wait another year and see how Herro develops, at his current level, I'd think 35-40m range would be what they should try to sign him for.

The most valuable thing in this CBA is good contracts and flexibility. Having players on contracts that are paid fairly or exceed their value is the way to go. If a guy wants more you have to trade him, just you look at PG, the 76ers overpaid and this will cripple them for a long time from now.

Yea I’m hoping they either hold out or sell high as opposed to extending him, that would be the final nail in the coffin imo.

Sixers are cooked, wonder if they’ll go full rebuild. Maybe we can fight our wrongs and snag Maxey

[MettaWorldPanda]

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Stevens and KJ are staying. Christopher back in the G League

[3ammy3uck3ts]

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Stevens and KJ are staying. Christopher back in the G League

Fuxk it run it back with the same group Friday but send Rozier to the G league and sign Dipo in his place after voiding his contract for “conduct detrimental to the team”

[3ammy3uck3ts]

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[Kobewade11]

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Stevens and KJ are staying. Christopher back in the G League

Mitchell Robinson needs his ass beat

[SerialChiller]

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Stevens and KJ are staying. Christopher back in the G League

Fuxk it run it back with the same group Friday but send Rozier to the G league and sign Dipo in his place after voiding his contract for “conduct detrimental to the team”

[greg4012]

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Credit for what??

Growth and development from the players Miami is invested in should be shamed and dismissed!

How dare you highlight positive developments during a developmental season after Jimmy tanked any prospect of competing.

[3ammy3uck3ts]

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Credit for what??

Growth and development from the players Miami is invested in should be shamed and dismissed!

How dare you highlight positive developments during a developmental season after Jimmy tanked any prospect of competing.

BAM IS A BIG B!TCH!!!!!!

[3ammy3uck3ts]

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Patrick James Riley this summer when it’s time to change the narrative on his The Washedfather nickname

[3ammy3uck3ts]

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GET IT DONE GILBERT!!!!!!

Allen and a 1st for Bam!!!