2025 Offseason Season Thread Vol. 3

[fincane30]

The Bam disrespect is getting WILD.

We all saw how well Bam did alleviating pressure from Herro. I love Bam, bit he's a third option.

Is this in reference to the playoffs series where Herro was unable to score on Sam Merrill Max Strus and Ty Jerome?

That’s fine if you think he’s a 3rd option, behind 2 elite players/scorers seems like a great recipe for success. What is Tyler though, like on good winning teams that make postseason runs? Because we have 0 evidence he can contribute when the playoffs come around being heavily involved. So you can say 1st (hopefully not) or 2nd but we don’t know that for a fact.

Well we don't have any evidence since he was a rookie. He played over 30 minutes per game in the bubble and was a contributor. Since that point injury and his own struggles have made people forget he wasn't always a negative in those moments. And those embers will spark from time to time more recently. Game 2 against the Cavs. Certainly Game 2 against Boston. He should be a two. He's miscast as a number one and certainly miscast when no one else on the perimeter is respected.

[3ammy3uck3ts]

We all saw how well Bam did alleviating pressure from Herro. I love Bam, bit he's a third option.

Is this in reference to the playoffs series where Herro was unable to score on Sam Merrill Max Strus and Ty Jerome?

That’s fine if you think he’s a 3rd option, behind 2 elite players/scorers seems like a great recipe for success. What is Tyler though, like on good winning teams that make postseason runs? Because we have 0 evidence he can contribute when the playoffs come around being heavily involved. So you can say 1st (hopefully not) or 2nd but we don’t know that for a fact.

Everyone forgets his rookie season, like it didn't happen or something, but on one thing, we agree. He's a second or third option at best. That doesn't, however, mean that Reaves can produce like a second option under the same circumstances. It's interesting to me that you need proof with Herro (when such proof actually exists) but not with Reaves...

That was like 6 years ago with him coming off the bench though as at best our 4th option. He has no problem stepping up when guys are out, that holds more weight than just saying he couldn’t do it just because. I mean even if he moved to an1st option and still put up the same exact numbers it’s not much difference between the 2 of them. I hope Herro progresses to where he can show up in the playoffs one day but I can’t for the life of me figure out how he has such a stranglehold on the fanbase considering he hasn’t been a part of much success here. Is it the rookie year and the fun bubble run? That’s actually crossed my mind before

[3ammy3uck3ts]

We all saw how well Bam did alleviating pressure from Herro. I love Bam, bit he's a third option.

Is this in reference to the playoffs series where Herro was unable to score on Sam Merrill Max Strus and Ty Jerome?

That’s fine if you think he’s a 3rd option, behind 2 elite players/scorers seems like a great recipe for success. What is Tyler though, like on good winning teams that make postseason runs? Because we have 0 evidence he can contribute when the playoffs come around being heavily involved. So you can say 1st (hopefully not) or 2nd but we don’t know that for a fact.

Well we don't have any evidence since he was a rookie. He played over 30 minutes per game in the bubble and was a contributor. Since that point injury and his own struggles have made people forget he wasn't always a negative in those moments. And those embers will spark from time to time more recently. Game 2 against the Cavs. Certainly Game 2 against Boston. He should be a two. He's miscast as a number one and certainly miscast when no one else on the perimeter is respected.

So he’s living off rookie season rep when he was coming off the bench? Genuinely curious. Our last 2 playoff series bam led the team in scoring and assists for 7 of the 9 games and he for the most part also played like **** like Tyler, difference is, one of them is at the top of the world on the defensive end while one is near the bottom. One of them is paid strictly for offense but he doesn’t provide that offense when it’s needed. We’ve got to figure that out before the extension

[Hallstar]

The Bam disrespect is getting WILD.

We all saw how well Bam did alleviating pressure from Herro. I love Bam, bit he's a third option.

Is this in reference to the playoffs series where Herro was unable to score on Sam Merrill Max Strus and Ty Jerome?

That’s fine if you think he’s a 3rd option, behind 2 elite players/scorers seems like a great recipe for success. What is Tyler though, like on good winning teams that make postseason runs? Because we have 0 evidence he can contribute when the playoffs come around being heavily involved. So you can say 1st (hopefully not) or 2nd but we don’t know that for a fact.

Bro seriously? Is that the new narrative?

Or he scored 20+ and 30+ in the first 2 games by accident? We had 2 losses and Spo decided to try something else and put him off ball, only to find out, nobody could get him the ball in game 3. Game 4 was over 6 mins in to the first quarter.

[unowen85]

Heat are 1-8 in their last 9 playoff games. Nobody cares who led the team in stats those games.

As an aside, the only victory was thanks to Herro’s heroic performance on the road in Boston.

[carnageta]

You would prefer Herro at $50M a year to Reaves at $22.5M? I agree Monk overall is a tier below them, Herro and Reaves are basically a wash

Dude, Herro is better than Austin. He's also 2 years younger.

Without Tyler Herro on the floor we had the absolute worst offense out of any team last season. He was our entire engine. Reaves has had the luxury to play alongside LeBron James, Anthony Davis, and now Luka Doncic - all of which are light years better offensively than Bam Adebayo and regular season Jimmy Butler. Reaves has been the 3rd option behind 2 legit superstar players his entire career. Tyler has never had that luxury.

Herro makes 30m a season right now, and will for the next 2 seasons. He's not making 50m a year at this point. When it comes time to actually pay Tyler 50m/year he'll be as old as current day Austin Reaves and the salary cap at that point would have also risen significantly as well. 50m will be the new 37m. Herro should continue to improve as well and in 2 seasons he will be an even better player.



Also, Reaves isn't getting paid 22.5m / year. There's a reason he declined the 4 year 90/m contract extension with the Lakers. He's looking to get paid just as much as Tyler.

I think if you really dug into it you would have a hard time coming to the conclusion that Herro is easily better than Reaves. Again, I’m not even taking a side but they’re pretty damn close whichever way you lean and I could just as easily argue he’s hindered from having to take a back seat

One is an all-star and is 2 years younger. I think it's pretty fair to say Herro is the better player right now.

Reaves plays with 2 superstars and has an inherently easier life on the offensive end. He also gets a great whistle being in that LA market. Despite all of that, Herro still nearly averages the same TS% (60 vs 61) while averaging nearly 4ppg more.

Could Reaves average more points if he wasn't playing with 2 superstars? Sure. Could he do so while still remaining just as efficient? I doubt it.

[BBallFreak]

Is this in reference to the playoffs series where Herro was unable to score on Sam Merrill Max Strus and Ty Jerome?

That’s fine if you think he’s a 3rd option, behind 2 elite players/scorers seems like a great recipe for success. What is Tyler though, like on good winning teams that make postseason runs? Because we have 0 evidence he can contribute when the playoffs come around being heavily involved. So you can say 1st (hopefully not) or 2nd but we don’t know that for a fact.

Everyone forgets his rookie season, like it didn't happen or something, but on one thing, we agree. He's a second or third option at best. That doesn't, however, mean that Reaves can produce like a second option under the same circumstances. It's interesting to me that you need proof with Herro (when such proof actually exists) but not with Reaves...

That was like 6 years ago with him coming off the bench though as at best our 4th option. He has no problem stepping up when guys are out, that holds more weight than just saying he couldn’t do it just because. I mean even if he moved to an1st option and still put up the same exact numbers it’s not much difference between the 2 of them. I hope Herro progresses to where he can show up in the playoffs one day but I can’t for the life of me figure out how he has such a stranglehold on the fanbase considering he hasn’t been a part of much success here. Is it the rookie year and the fun bubble run? That’s actually crossed my mind before

This is getting ridiculous. Herro actually had a run! What does Reaves have? An outlier game here or there?

Herro was great as a 4th option? True! He was also pretty awesome last year as a first option (a role, I thoroughly agree he's been miscast in). What has Reaves done as a first option? How many games? What's the sample size?

Come on!

[carnageta]

Is this in reference to the playoffs series where Herro was unable to score on Sam Merrill Max Strus and Ty Jerome?

That’s fine if you think he’s a 3rd option, behind 2 elite players/scorers seems like a great recipe for success. What is Tyler though, like on good winning teams that make postseason runs? Because we have 0 evidence he can contribute when the playoffs come around being heavily involved. So you can say 1st (hopefully not) or 2nd but we don’t know that for a fact.

Well we don't have any evidence since he was a rookie. He played over 30 minutes per game in the bubble and was a contributor. Since that point injury and his own struggles have made people forget he wasn't always a negative in those moments. And those embers will spark from time to time more recently. Game 2 against the Cavs. Certainly Game 2 against Boston. He should be a two. He's miscast as a number one and certainly miscast when no one else on the perimeter is respected.

So he’s living off rookie season rep when he was coming off the bench? Genuinely curious. Our last 2 playoff series bam led the team in scoring and assists for 7 of the 9 games and he for the most part also played like **** like Tyler, difference is, one of them is at the top of the world on the defensive end while one is near the bottom. One of them is paid strictly for offense but he doesn’t provide that offense when it’s needed. We’ve got to figure that out before the extension

I don't know if you know this Bammy, but Tyler makes significantly less than Bam right now

[3ammy3uck3ts]

We all saw how well Bam did alleviating pressure from Herro. I love Bam, bit he's a third option.

Is this in reference to the playoffs series where Herro was unable to score on Sam Merrill Max Strus and Ty Jerome?

That’s fine if you think he’s a 3rd option, behind 2 elite players/scorers seems like a great recipe for success. What is Tyler though, like on good winning teams that make postseason runs? Because we have 0 evidence he can contribute when the playoffs come around being heavily involved. So you can say 1st (hopefully not) or 2nd but we don’t know that for a fact.

Bro seriously? Is that the new narrative?

Or he scored 20+ and 30+ in the first 2 games by accident? We had 2 losses and Spo decided to try something else and put him off ball, only to find out, nobody could get him the ball in game 3. Game 4 was over 6 mins in to the first quarter.

He still had decent usage game 3, they just swapped Garland out with Merrill who actually tried defensively unlike garland and had Tyler bottled up.

Regardless, when Bam isn’t getting his shot attempts/touches im told that’s on him for not wanting the ball so I’m not sure how that’s any different here.

[3ammy3uck3ts]

Well we don't have any evidence since he was a rookie. He played over 30 minutes per game in the bubble and was a contributor. Since that point injury and his own struggles have made people forget he wasn't always a negative in those moments. And those embers will spark from time to time more recently. Game 2 against the Cavs. Certainly Game 2 against Boston. He should be a two. He's miscast as a number one and certainly miscast when no one else on the perimeter is respected.

So he’s living off rookie season rep when he was coming off the bench? Genuinely curious. Our last 2 playoff series bam led the team in scoring and assists for 7 of the 9 games and he for the most part also played like **** like Tyler, difference is, one of them is at the top of the world on the defensive end while one is near the bottom. One of them is paid strictly for offense but he doesn’t provide that offense when it’s needed. We’ve got to figure that out before the extension

I don't know if you know this Bammy, but Tyler makes significantly less than Bam right now

$5M lol?

[fincane30]

Is this in reference to the playoffs series where Herro was unable to score on Sam Merrill Max Strus and Ty Jerome?

That’s fine if you think he’s a 3rd option, behind 2 elite players/scorers seems like a great recipe for success. What is Tyler though, like on good winning teams that make postseason runs? Because we have 0 evidence he can contribute when the playoffs come around being heavily involved. So you can say 1st (hopefully not) or 2nd but we don’t know that for a fact.

Well we don't have any evidence since he was a rookie. He played over 30 minutes per game in the bubble and was a contributor. Since that point injury and his own struggles have made people forget he wasn't always a negative in those moments. And those embers will spark from time to time more recently. Game 2 against the Cavs. Certainly Game 2 against Boston. He should be a two. He's miscast as a number one and certainly miscast when no one else on the perimeter is respected.

So he’s living off rookie season rep when he was coming off the bench? Genuinely curious. Our last 2 playoff series bam led the team in scoring and assists for 7 of the 9 games and he for the most part also played like **** like Tyler, difference is, one of them is at the top of the world on the defensive end while one is near the bottom. One of them is paid strictly for offense but he doesn’t provide that offense when it’s needed. We’ve got to figure that out before the extension

I'm not sure coming off the bench has any relevance when he's in closing lineups and playing 30+ minutes in the ECF. The "that was 6 years ago?" argument holds quite a bit more weight. The difference between Bam and Tyler is that the two times Tyler played well in the last two series we either won a game or were in it late against the top seed. It is just a product of their roles and skillsets. The Heat have no chance of winning games without either right now. But Bam is not a person who can carry an offense so you can't simply bench Tyler when the thing he's good at leaves him. And the rest of team certainly can't pick up the slack. Sucks when your max guy is either too old, too injured or quits on the team which has been the case the last two years.

[3ammy3uck3ts]

Heat are 1-8 in their last 9 playoff games. Nobody cares who led the team in stats those games.

As an aside, the only victory was thanks to Herro’s heroic performance on the road in Boston.

Which further proves my point that Herro isn’t as good as you all think if we keep losing games with him as a 1st option with him not even being able to produce as our top option.

Can you, Dion, hallstar, carna, bballfreak, fincane, etc tell me what Herro has done in a Heat jersey to be revered to as a god? Most of our success came absent of Tyler n

[3ammy3uck3ts]

Everyone forgets his rookie season, like it didn't happen or something, but on one thing, we agree. He's a second or third option at best. That doesn't, however, mean that Reaves can produce like a second option under the same circumstances. It's interesting to me that you need proof with Herro (when such proof actually exists) but not with Reaves...

That was like 6 years ago with him coming off the bench though as at best our 4th option. He has no problem stepping up when guys are out, that holds more weight than just saying he couldn’t do it just because. I mean even if he moved to an1st option and still put up the same exact numbers it’s not much difference between the 2 of them. I hope Herro progresses to where he can show up in the playoffs one day but I can’t for the life of me figure out how he has such a stranglehold on the fanbase considering he hasn’t been a part of much success here. Is it the rookie year and the fun bubble run? That’s actually crossed my mind before

This is getting ridiculous. Herro actually had a run! What does Reaves have? An outlier game here or there?

Herro was great as a 4th option? True! He was also pretty awesome last year as a first option (a role, I thoroughly agree he's been miscast in). What has Reaves done as a first option? How many games? What's the sample size?

Come on!

I mean Reaves and Herros first playoffs runs are basically identical

[BBallFreak]

Heat are 1-8 in their last 9 playoff games. Nobody cares who led the team in stats those games.

As an aside, the only victory was thanks to Herro’s heroic performance on the road in Boston.

Which further proves my point that Herro isn’t as good as you all think if we keep losing games with him as a 1st option with him not even being able to produce as our top option.

Can you, Dion, hallstar, carna, bballfreak, fincane, etc tell me what Herro has done in a Heat jersey to be revered to as a god? Most of our success came absent of Tyler n

Can you tell us what has you revering Austin Reaves as a God?

Seriously, what about me saying he's a second or third option makes you think I revere him?

[dshearn]

I love me some Tyler herro.....

simple as that....


wish he was scrappier though on defense.....it does seem hard to build around a dude other teams really want to exploit on defense.

yanking your space/gravity guy off the floor because Duncan is getting murdered...does not feel the same as yanking the offensive go to guy off the floor because herro is getting murdered.



easy answer someone has got to be talented enough to turn Tyler into a role player on offense....so he can be yanked when teams are murdering him....

[3ammy3uck3ts]

Tyler’s playoffs career: 14-4-3 on 52TS% with 0 defense whatsoever. Was out for the 2023 finals run, was a non factor for the 2022 run, now tell me what he’s done in a Heat jersey to be revered this way amongst some in the fanbase? Is it because you all think he’s cool? It can’t be because of his production, it just can’t. It’s something deeper

[Kobewade11]

Heat are 1-8 in their last 9 playoff games. Nobody cares who led the team in stats those games.

As an aside, the only victory was thanks to Herro’s heroic performance on the road in Boston.

Everyone's reading experience on this board would be improved if we just didnt take the bait. Same crap over and over again

[3ammy3uck3ts]

Heat are 1-8 in their last 9 playoff games. Nobody cares who led the team in stats those games.

As an aside, the only victory was thanks to Herro’s heroic performance on the road in Boston.

Which further proves my point that Herro isn’t as good as you all think if we keep losing games with him as a 1st option with him not even being able to produce as our top option.

Can you, Dion, hallstar, carna, bballfreak, fincane, etc tell me what Herro has done in a Heat jersey to be revered to as a god? Most of our success came absent of Tyler n

Can you tell us what has you revering Austin Reaves as a God?

Seriously, what about me saying he's a second or third option makes you think I revere him?

Oh I don’t, I think they are both pretty similar players. Good on one side of the ball, that’s about it. I don’t see much difference between the 2 and I’m not even arguing that Reaves is better or way better I’m just saying they’re close. Maybe there’s a miscommunication

[carnageta]

Heat are 1-8 in their last 9 playoff games. Nobody cares who led the team in stats those games.

As an aside, the only victory was thanks to Herro’s heroic performance on the road in Boston.

Which further proves my point that Herro isn’t as good as you all think if we keep losing games with him as a 1st option with him not even being able to produce as our top option.

Can you, Dion, hallstar, carna, bballfreak, fincane, etc tell me what Herro has done in a Heat jersey to be revered to as a god? Most of our success came absent of Tyler n

I'm not saying he's a god, and I think basically all of us agree that Tyler Herro is NOT a 1st option on a championship team lol.

He makes 30m a season which is nowhere close to max salary. He's the best offensive player that we currently have though, and I think he's good enough to be #2 offensively on a contender if we were to get a true 1A player.

Tyler Herro is not the problem. The fact that we have 50m tied up in dead weight (Duncan, Rozier, etc.) is the real problem.

[3ammy3uck3ts]

Heat are 1-8 in their last 9 playoff games. Nobody cares who led the team in stats those games.

As an aside, the only victory was thanks to Herro’s heroic performance on the road in Boston.

Which further proves my point that Herro isn’t as good as you all think if we keep losing games with him as a 1st option with him not even being able to produce as our top option.

Can you, Dion, hallstar, carna, bballfreak, fincane, etc tell me what Herro has done in a Heat jersey to be revered to as a god? Most of our success came absent of Tyler n

I'm not saying he's a god, and I think basically all of us agree that Tyler Herro is NOT a 1st option on a championship team lol.

He makes 30m a season which is nowhere close to max salary. He's the best offensive player that we currently have though, and I think he's good enough to be #2 offensively on a contender if we were to get a true 1A player.

Tyler Herro is not the problem. The fact that we have 50m tied up in dead weight (Duncan, Rozier, etc.) is the real problem.

See I agree which again might point to some miscommunication but the second he’s compared to a similar player or a flaw is pointed out it’s just like all hell breaks loose. He might be able to be a number 2, we haven’t seen it but maybe he can