Miami Heat Speculation Thread - 2020 and beyond...

[RonaldSeikaly]

Aldridge Is an interesting option. I don’t think I would trade for him though because I think that there’s a high possibility of him getting a buy-out later in the season.

We could easily get him or Derozan if we want by simply giving up KO, Iggy and our #20 pick.

I like the idea of getting Aldridge, even if he’s not perfect. He’s great as a backup to Bam, and he could play alongside Bam on occasion... though i think smaller lineups with Crowder/ KO/Milsap would be the better options to play next to Bam 90% of the time.


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[AirP.]

Listening to Brian Windhorst's podcast he mentioned something I had thought about during the finals for Miami... next season in the east will be tougher, out of these 7 teams... Miami, Toronto, Boston, Milwaulkee, Brooklyn, Philly, and Indiana, at least 3 of those teams will not reach the 2nd round this next season.

Also with 3 of those 7 losing in the first round take in consideration...
Brooklyn getting Kyrie and KD back.
Indiana getting a less rusty Oladipo back.
Boston's younger guys getting better, should have more talent with their draft picks.
Philly having a better coach and GM.

It's not out of the possibility that after getting to the finals this year, Miami takes a huge step backwards by not getting past the second and quite possibly the first round.

[Miami590]

Aldridge Is an interesting option. I don’t think I would trade for him though because I think that there’s a high possibility of him getting a buy-out later in the season.

We could easily get him or Derozan if we want by simply giving up KO, Iggy and our #20 pick.

I like the idea of getting Aldridge, even if he’s not perfect. He’s great as a backup to Bam, and he could play alongside Bam on occasion... though i think smaller lineups with Crowder/ KO/Milsap would be the better options to play next to Bam 90% of the time.


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In theory we could trade for L.A, sign Millsap and maybe split the MLE with a guy like Wesley Matthews.

Front court: Bam, L.A., Millsap
Wings: Butler, Crowder, Matthews
Backcourt: Herro, Robinson, Dragic, Nunn

[RonaldSeikaly]

Aldridge Is an interesting option. I don’t think I would trade for him though because I think that there’s a high possibility of him getting a buy-out later in the season.

We could easily get him or Derozan if we want by simply giving up KO, Iggy and our #20 pick.

I like the idea of getting Aldridge, even if he’s not perfect. He’s great as a backup to Bam, and he could play alongside Bam on occasion... though i think smaller lineups with Crowder/ KO/Milsap would be the better options to play next to Bam 90% of the time.


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In theory we could trade for L.A, sign Millsap and maybe split the MLE with a guy like Wesley Matthews.

Front court: Bam, L.A., Millsap
Wings: Butler, Crowder, Matthews
Backcourt: Herro, Robinson, Dragic, Nunn

Yeah that’s more or less what i was thinking. Add in KO who will be in the rotation. A useful wing at vet minimum (like s hill). And a few gleague projects.

Not sure that wins a finals outside of a bubble unless Herro can become a borderline allstar. But it should still be an improvement and would be fun to watch


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[Wiltside]

Listening to Brian Windhorst's podcast he mentioned something I had thought about during the finals for Miami... next season in the east will be tougher, out of these 7 teams... Miami, Toronto, Boston, Milwaulkee, Brooklyn, Philly, and Indiana, at least 3 of those teams will not reach the 2nd round this next season.

Also with 3 of those 7 losing in the first round take in consideration...
Brooklyn getting Kyrie and KD back.
Indiana getting a less rusty Oladipo back.
Boston's younger guys getting better, should have more talent with their draft picks.
Philly having a better coach and GM.

It's not out of the possibility that after getting to the finals this year, Miami takes a huge step backwards by not getting past the second and quite possibly the first round.

Why are Boston’s younger guys getting better, but not ours?

Is there every chance we don’t go as far next season? Absolutely. We were way ahead of schedule this season. Teams will improve, but we can too. We don’t even know what our roster is going to look like yet.

[AirP.]

Listening to Brian Windhorst's podcast he mentioned something I had thought about during the finals for Miami... next season in the east will be tougher, out of these 7 teams... Miami, Toronto, Boston, Milwaulkee, Brooklyn, Philly, and Indiana, at least 3 of those teams will not reach the 2nd round this next season.

Also with 3 of those 7 losing in the first round take in consideration...
Brooklyn getting Kyrie and KD back.
Indiana getting a less rusty Oladipo back.
Boston's younger guys getting better, should have more talent with their draft picks.
Philly having a better coach and GM.

It's not out of the possibility that after getting to the finals this year, Miami takes a huge step backwards by not getting past the second and quite possibly the first round.

Why are Boston’s younger guys getting better, but not ours?

Is there every chance we don’t go as far next season? Absolutely. We were way ahead of schedule this season. Teams will improve, but we can too. We don’t even know what our roster is going to look like yet.

Did I say Miami's young guys aren't going to get better? I was focusing on the other teams that some people may not be keeping an eye on.

Miami does have a chance to really get better in this offseason but all season long I heard don't do anything and wait for 2021, Miami could have had Gallo for this last playoffs but refused to go past next year with a contract. I just believe in always trying to improve on the team and not just stand still, you get passed doing that.

[RexBoyWonder]

I think a lot of people are trying to add depth, and personally I would rather go the other direction and add 1 quality piece.

I don't want to add 39 YO Milsap + 48 YO Aldridge + 35 YO Wesley Matthews.

I rather have 1 Gallinari.
Or 1 Christian Wood.

We still have KZ to insert into the rotation, maybe Vincent too, and whoever we can get for the Vet Min to fill in holes.

But if we can just salary dump Kelly (personally I like him, But Spo lost faith for some reason) and add either Gallinari Or Christian Wood for a big 1 year deal and keep Dragic, I'd try to do that.

Gallo or Wood next to Bam can take this team to another level. Huge upgrades compared to Crowder.

If the plan is to go for it next year, but without touching 2021-2022 cap space (Which should be the plan IMO) - That's the move - Add a guy that can just blow up in our system in our weakest position (Second Big next to Bam).

Man If Wood keeps playing like he did to end the season, him and Bam front court will DESTROY.
If Gallo plays like he did last couple of seasons, we'll be a top 2 offense no sweat.

[puppa bear]

I think a lot of people are trying to add depth, and personally I would rather go the other direction and add 1 quality piece.

I don't want to add 39 YO Milsap + 48 YO Aldridge + 35 YO Wesley Matthews.

I rather have 1 Gallinari.
Or 1 Christian Wood.

We still have KZ to insert into the rotation, maybe Vincent too, and whoever we can get for the Vet Min to fill in holes.

But if we can just salary dump Kelly (personally I like him, But Spo lost faith for some reason) and add either Gallinari Or Christian Wood for a big 1 year deal and keep Dragic, I'd try to do that.

Gallo or Wood next to Bam can take this team to another level. Huge upgrades compared to Crowder.

If the plan is to go for it next year, but without touching 2021-2022 cap space (Which should be the plan IMO) - That's the move - Add a guy that can just blow up in our system in our weakest position (Second Big next to Bam).

Man If Wood keeps playing like he did to end the season, him and Bam front court will DESTROY.
If Gallo plays like he did last couple of seasons, we'll be a top 2 offense no sweat.

IMO, if the Gallo trade has gone through we would have won it all. He would have been for Hill/DJJ or some package like that that wouldn’t have hurt the on-court product. A Bam/Gallo front court, with Jae/KO still coming off the bench would have given the Lakers much more troubles, and we wouldn’t have had the dry spells on O we had in the first few games.

If we can S&T for him, with the same 1+1 with a TO then I would put that back in front of him. Resign Dragic & Jae to balloon 1-year deals, then go into 2021 having had 2 deep runs in a row.

[Miami590]

I think a lot of people are trying to add depth, and personally I would rather go the other direction and add 1 quality piece.

I don't want to add 39 YO Milsap + 48 YO Aldridge + 35 YO Wesley Matthews.

I rather have 1 Gallinari.
Or 1 Christian Wood.

We still have KZ to insert into the rotation, maybe Vincent too, and whoever we can get for the Vet Min to fill in holes.

But if we can just salary dump Kelly (personally I like him, But Spo lost faith for some reason) and add either Gallinari Or Christian Wood for a big 1 year deal and keep Dragic, I'd try to do that.

Gallo or Wood next to Bam can take this team to another level. Huge upgrades compared to Crowder.

If the plan is to go for it next year, but without touching 2021-2022 cap space (Which should be the plan IMO) - That's the move - Add a guy that can just blow up in our system in our weakest position (Second Big next to Bam).

Man If Wood keeps playing like he did to end the season, him and Bam front court will DESTROY.
If Gallo plays like he did last couple of seasons, we'll be a top 2 offense no sweat.

But we need depth, the season starts next month and we just finished the season. If we want to go far into the playoffs again then we’ll need to spread our minutes around.

[BenoUdrihFTL]

Want nothing to do with surrendering assets for Holiday. Love him as a player but he would not come cheap and we have other options

Would still love a sign/trade for Ibaka and Lowry if we can still keep cap room for Giannis (iirc it's possible)

If we strike out on Ibaka/Lowry, I'm warming to the idea of Dipo if he can be had for something like Nunn/KO/FRP. Dipo + a guy like Nerlens Noel would address some of our greatest weaknesses and give us another season of title contention before going whale hunting in 2021. Fun fact: if we acquire Dipo we'd have 3 Most Improved Player award winners (Dipo, Yimmy, Gogi). I feel like that would be so befitting of Heat culture lol. And Dipo himself doesn't even have to be a whale caliber addition for him to work for us given the right transaction

Regardless I think Riles brings back Gogi and Jae without compromising our 2021 cap space

Lowry has a bigger contract than Holiday and the Raptors might very well want the same kind of assets that would be required to land Holiday. Is it that you just prefer Lowry over Holiday?

It was a rumor posted in here back in Sept. Here's the original post and the discussion that followed makes it seem doable both in terms of cap flexibility and trade construction:

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Here's an interesting tweet. Clutch NBA tweeting that Ibaka and Lowry will be playing together next season and FiveReasonsSports added and pay less taxes to which Clutch NBA retweeted.

Could be hinting at a Miami acquiring Lowry and Ibaka next season which in my opinion would be perfect for us.

Lowry/Dragic/Nunn
Butler/Herro
Robinson/DJJr
Crowder/Iggy/Okpala
Bam/Ibaka/Silva

The balance on that squad would be crazy. Add to that having Dragic off the bench full time and being able to match up with big teams with Ibaka and Bam as the 4/5 and then having Herro replace Robinson down the stretch to finish games we would have good to great defense at every position. Being able to have Ibaka in the paint and allowing Bam to guard players on the perimeter more often would also be an awesome addition.

What Clutch & 5 Reasons put out regarding the Lowry/Ibaka smoke would be an incredible move going into '21. At this point Lowry is a perfect fit for everything the Heat are doing now. Deadly scorer off the PnR & led the league in charges. Ibaka functions as an ideal backup center & allows a situational lineup where we can play 2 bigs without giving up so much defensively. And the fact that it can get done while retaining Crowder & Goran is key. This should be the plan and we all know about Jimmy's connection with KL. My only reservation is my doubt about Masai helping us contend. But by the sound of it Lowry sounded like he knew he was moving on... perhaps Masai does right by him & sends him somewhere to end his career with 1 of his closest friends. We'll see.

Lowry/Dragic/VIncent
Butler/Herro
Robinson/Hill
Crowder/KZ
Bam/Ibaka/Silva

That squad is back in the ECF at the very least & going into '21 as attractive of a destination as ever.

Squad is basically unattainable. How do we add Lowry and Ibaka, while also keeping Jae and Dragic? We've got ~$30 mil this off-season. Each one of those deserves a $15 mil per year deal.

It isn't unattainable at all. You match Lowry's salary with KO/Iggy/Nunn a 1st. then sign Ibaka and use bird right to sign 1 year deals to Dragic & Crowder. The Ibaka part is a little tricky because he may want a longer deal. but Lowry is just a simple salary exchange trade. while retaining the cap space we already had. But yeah, the notion that both of them want to be here was brought up by Clutch & Co. Very feasible but Ibaka part is a total mystery to me.

Lowry's contract expires 2021 offseason and I presume he'd require a lesser asset package than Holiday, especially if Lowry tells Toronto he wants to finish his career in Miami

[DayofMourning]

Listening to Brian Windhorst's podcast he mentioned something I had thought about during the finals for Miami... next season in the east will be tougher, out of these 7 teams... Miami, Toronto, Boston, Milwaulkee, Brooklyn, Philly, and Indiana, at least 3 of those teams will not reach the 2nd round this next season.

Also with 3 of those 7 losing in the first round take in consideration...
Brooklyn getting Kyrie and KD back.
Indiana getting a less rusty Oladipo back.
Boston's younger guys getting better, should have more talent with their draft picks.
Philly having a better coach and GM.

It's not out of the possibility that after getting to the finals this year, Miami takes a huge step backwards by not getting past the second and quite possibly the first round.

Why are Boston’s younger guys getting better, but not ours?

Is there every chance we don’t go as far next season? Absolutely. We were way ahead of schedule this season. Teams will improve, but we can too. We don’t even know what our roster is going to look like yet.

Jayson Tatum will be 17 years old this coming season. Hard to battle against the NBAs own Benjamin Button.

[Wiltside]

My memory on the proposed deadline Gallo deal was that Crowder was being rerouted to OKC to bring Gallo here.

So the argument would’ve been if Gallo had outplayed Jae in the playoffs. While Gallo is the superior player, Jae was a monster through the first 2 rounds in particular and instrumental in slowing Giannis. Without him, I’m not sure how far we actually go.

Had we managed to get through Boston, I still feel like losing to LA would’ve happened regardless. Gallo would’ve helped us weather the storm of no Gogi or Bam a little better, but it’s not like he has a stellar playoff track record himself. His play has generally suffered in the postseason.

[DayofMourning]

My memory on the proposed deadline Gallo deal was that Crowder was being rerouted to OKC to bring Gallo here.

So the argument would’ve been if Gallo had outplayed Jae in the playoffs. While Gallo is the superior player, Jae was a monster through the first 2 rounds in particular and instrumental in slowing Giannis. Without him, I’m not sure how far we actually go.

Had we managed to get through Boston, I still feel like losing to LA would’ve happened regardless. Gallo would’ve helped us weather the storm of no Gogi or Bam a little better, but it’s not like he has a stellar playoff track record himself. His play has generally suffered in the postseason.

Agree with most of this. Still feel like we would have beaten LA in 7 had we been healthy.

[eddieheatfan]

i want crowder to stay dude is a pretty serviceable player and he did great with the heat this year. why punish him with a trade?he can occupy the haslem role

[twix2500]

i want crowder to stay dude is a pretty serviceable player and he did great with the heat this year. why punish him with a trade?he can occupy the haslem role

Yeah I think Crowder us very important and I think he will be brought back.

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[AirP.]

My memory on the proposed deadline Gallo deal was that Crowder was being rerouted to OKC to bring Gallo here.

So the argument would’ve been if Gallo had outplayed Jae in the playoffs. While Gallo is the superior player, Jae was a monster through the first 2 rounds in particular and instrumental in slowing Giannis. Without him, I’m not sure how far we actually go.

Had we managed to get through Boston, I still feel like losing to LA would’ve happened regardless. Gallo would’ve helped us weather the storm of no Gogi or Bam a little better, but it’s not like he has a stellar playoff track record himself. His play has generally suffered in the postseason.

Not sure about that. What I had heard was that Miami was trying to get both Gallinari and Noel from OKC which combined to be 24-25 million which I believed the trade would have been expanded with probably Olynyk and/or Leonard included plus of course, releasing the protection of both draft picks that OKC owned from Miami. I have to believe S.Hill's expiring contract would have been rerouted to OKC since Crowder was one of the guys Butler wanted to play with.

The issue was Gallo wanting more years then Miami was willing to give him which stopped the 3 way trade... and NOW Gallo is talking about playing for less for a contender.

[puppa bear]

My memory on the proposed deadline Gallo deal was that Crowder was being rerouted to OKC to bring Gallo here.

So the argument would’ve been if Gallo had outplayed Jae in the playoffs. While Gallo is the superior player, Jae was a monster through the first 2 rounds in particular and instrumental in slowing Giannis. Without him, I’m not sure how far we actually go.

Had we managed to get through Boston, I still feel like losing to LA would’ve happened regardless. Gallo would’ve helped us weather the storm of no Gogi or Bam a little better, but it’s not like he has a stellar playoff track record himself. His play has generally suffered in the postseason.

Not sure about that. What I had heard was that Miami was trying to get both Gallinari and Noel from OKC which combined to be 24-25 million which I believed the trade would have been expanded with probably Olynyk and/or Leonard included plus of course, releasing the protection of both draft picks that OKC owned from Miami. I have to believe S.Hill's expiring contract would have been rerouted to OKC since Crowder was one of the guys Butler wanted to play with.

The issue was Gallo wanting more years then Miami was willing to give him which stopped the 3 way trade... and NOW Gallo is talking about playing for less for a contender.

Yeah, this was my memory - forgot about the Noel angle as well. Would have been nice if it was just Hill/pick release/Leonard or KO.

[Kobewade11]

i want crowder to stay dude is a pretty serviceable player and he did great with the heat this year. why punish him with a trade?he can occupy the haslem role

Punish? Its business. I like all the guys on the team but there’s only two untouchables in terms of upgrading.

[3ballbomber]

My memory on the proposed deadline Gallo deal was that Crowder was being rerouted to OKC to bring Gallo here.

So the argument would’ve been if Gallo had outplayed Jae in the playoffs. While Gallo is the superior player, Jae was a monster through the first 2 rounds in particular and instrumental in slowing Giannis. Without him, I’m not sure how far we actually go.

Had we managed to get through Boston, I still feel like losing to LA would’ve happened regardless. Gallo would’ve helped us weather the storm of no Gogi or Bam a little better, but it’s not like he has a stellar playoff track record himself. His play has generally suffered in the postseason.

Gallo hasn't played in a system like ours, where he may have thrived even more w/ his offensive skillset. He cld have helped to get us that gm7, where, i believe, anything cld have happened. Consider also that Butler wld have gotten bit more rest, w/ Gallo helping lift the load, rather than clock such heavy minutes & then running on fumes in gm6 blowout. Imagine a better rested Butler + Gallo in a gm7. We wld've had a great shot!

[Wiltside]

https://www.google.com.au/amp/s/www.cbssports.com/nba/news/danilo-gallinari-trade-rumors-heat-thunder-struggling-to-agree-on-deal-for-veteran-wing-before-deadline/amp/

I dunno, CBS had Crowder and Hill most likely heading to OKC along with released protections. Who knows what the deal actually looked like though, could’ve been Leonard/Olynyk but tbf Jae was only so-so in Memphis and didn’t have the currency then that he has now.

Having Gallo definitely would’ve helped, but it depends on the actual permutation of the deal as to whether it was a truly difference making solution. The fact is, he wanted a bigger extension than we were willing to go for.

Had we got him, and lost in the Finals, and extended him past 20-21, I think we’d all be a little annoyed at our lack of 2021 flexibility at this point.