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Post#1281 » by 3ammy3uck3ts » Fri May 12, 2023 1:33 pm

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3ammy3uck3ts wrote:But who wants Ayton on that contract and who wants CP? They better hope someone wants to bail them out and give them a gift

Indiana wanted Ayton enough to offer him that contract and even waived a guy to make room to be able to offer the max. What they get back will be interesting, but the Suns can't think he's a good fit moving forward with Booker and KD.


Back to back seasons showing he’s a horrible teammate though, idk some idiot will probably bite. Maybe Pacers try to run it back, no clue what their plans are with Turner
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Post#1282 » by contract » Fri May 12, 2023 1:42 pm

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3ammy3uck3ts wrote:But who wants Ayton on that contract and who wants CP? They better hope someone wants to bail them out and give them a gift

CP3 only has $15.8 million in guarantees left on 2 years/$60 million he has left on his deal. He should be fairly easy to trade to someone looking to dump salary. Ayton is still only 24 and his contract isn't obscene. He's essentially earning Bam money. I think they'll find takers if they look to move him ... which I think they will because he seems to be moody.


Are you getting anything worthwhile for a CP3 salary dump though? I’m pretty sure they don’t have picks to move either.

I personally don’t think Ayton is worth anywhere near his contract. Horrible teammate, self centered, and I’m not buying the soft rib injury. To me it feels like they got fed up with him and benched him back to back seasons for an elimination game but I could be overthinking it

I honestly think they'd have a tough time getting equal value for either, so they may just decide to start the year with the same core and see how it goes early. They are capped out, so there's no real benefit to cutting CP3. And yeah, Ayton's attitude is the biggest issue because the CP3 situation will resolve itself pretty quick one way or the other.
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Post#1283 » by contract » Fri May 12, 2023 1:47 pm

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3ammy3uck3ts wrote:But who wants Ayton on that contract and who wants CP? They better hope someone wants to bail them out and give them a gift

Indiana wanted Ayton enough to offer him that contract and even waived a guy to make room to be able to offer the max. What they get back will be interesting, but the Suns can't think he's a good fit moving forward with Booker and KD.

Maybe a trade for Turner and trash.
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Post#1284 » by AirP. » Fri May 12, 2023 1:49 pm

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3ammy3uck3ts wrote:But who wants Ayton on that contract and who wants CP? They better hope someone wants to bail them out and give them a gift

Indiana wanted Ayton enough to offer him that contract and even waived a guy to make room to be able to offer the max. What they get back will be interesting, but the Suns can't think he's a good fit moving forward with Booker and KD.


Back to back seasons showing he’s a horrible teammate though, idk some idiot will probably bite. Maybe Pacers try to run it back, no clue what their plans are with Turner

It sounds like he's being utilized in a way he doesn't like in Phoenix, I think it would be fair to say that if you're taking #1 over Luka and others maybe, just maybe you expect to be a much bigger part of the offense, and this is a real issue for him. We do know what Phoenix thinks of him by telling him to go get a offer because we don't believe you're a max player. It'll be very interesting to see Ayton on a team that actually wants him on a max contract and how they'll utilize him.

I would not be one bit surprised if Dallas tries to team him up with Luka, if the Suns were to go all in with offense getting C.Woods in a sign and trade package would be very helpful.

I think this summer is going to have a lot of movement and not just because of the new CBA.
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Post#1285 » by AirP. » Fri May 12, 2023 1:53 pm

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3ammy3uck3ts wrote:But who wants Ayton on that contract and who wants CP? They better hope someone wants to bail them out and give them a gift

CP3 only has $15.8 million in guarantees left on 2 years/$60 million he has left on his deal. He should be fairly easy to trade to someone looking to dump salary. Ayton is still only 24 and his contract isn't obscene. He's essentially earning Bam money. I think they'll find takers if they look to move him ... which I think they will because he seems to be moody.


Are you getting anything worthwhile for a CP3 salary dump though? I’m pretty sure they don’t have picks to move either.

I personally don’t think Ayton is worth anywhere near his contract. Horrible teammate, self centered, and I’m not buying the soft rib injury. To me it feels like they got fed up with him and benched him back to back seasons for an elimination game but I could be overthinking it

Yes, they will get value, I'd believe Dallas would also be interested in CP3 as a salary dump and a useful player (he'd easily make their rotation better). Of course, Dallas won't get both of them, but they'd be interested in both Ayton and CP3 for different reasons.

Ayton should have a good number of teams willing to take him on depending on the price.
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Post#1286 » by contract » Fri May 12, 2023 2:01 pm

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AirP. wrote:Indiana wanted Ayton enough to offer him that contract and even waived a guy to make room to be able to offer the max. What they get back will be interesting, but the Suns can't think he's a good fit moving forward with Booker and KD.


Back to back seasons showing he’s a horrible teammate though, idk some idiot will probably bite. Maybe Pacers try to run it back, no clue what their plans are with Turner

It sounds like he's being utilized in a way he doesn't like in Phoenix, I think it would be fair to say that if you're taking #1 over Luka and others maybe, just maybe you expect to be a much bigger part of the offense, and this is a real issue for him. We do know what Phoenix thinks of him by telling him to go get a offer because we don't believe you're a max player. It'll be very interesting to see Ayton on a team that actually wants him on a max contract and how they'll utilize him.

I would not be one bit surprised if Dallas tries to team him up with Luka, if the Suns were to go all in with offense getting C.Woods in a sign and trade package would be very helpful.

I think this summer is going to have a lot of movement and not just because of the new CBA.

If Ayton wants to be Embiid he's going to be upset his whole career.
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Post#1287 » by AirP. » Fri May 12, 2023 2:06 pm

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Back to back seasons showing he’s a horrible teammate though, idk some idiot will probably bite. Maybe Pacers try to run it back, no clue what their plans are with Turner

It sounds like he's being utilized in a way he doesn't like in Phoenix, I think it would be fair to say that if you're taking #1 over Luka and others maybe, just maybe you expect to be a much bigger part of the offense, and this is a real issue for him. We do know what Phoenix thinks of him by telling him to go get a offer because we don't believe you're a max player. It'll be very interesting to see Ayton on a team that actually wants him on a max contract and how they'll utilize him.

I would not be one bit surprised if Dallas tries to team him up with Luka, if the Suns were to go all in with offense getting C.Woods in a sign and trade package would be very helpful.

I think this summer is going to have a lot of movement and not just because of the new CBA.

If Ayton wants to be Embiid he's going to be upset his whole career.


He may just want a little more plays as a #1 overall pick which 2 teams felt he was worthy of a max contract (Indiana and Suns matching). I think most players taken #1 and given the role he's had to take would be upset. It's an absolute gamble to trade for him, you have to be willing to give in some with him and also put him in a position to succeed as one of your top options at that price.
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Post#1288 » by contract » Fri May 12, 2023 2:25 pm

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AirP. wrote:It sounds like he's being utilized in a way he doesn't like in Phoenix, I think it would be fair to say that if you're taking #1 over Luka and others maybe, just maybe you expect to be a much bigger part of the offense, and this is a real issue for him. We do know what Phoenix thinks of him by telling him to go get a offer because we don't believe you're a max player. It'll be very interesting to see Ayton on a team that actually wants him on a max contract and how they'll utilize him.

I would not be one bit surprised if Dallas tries to team him up with Luka, if the Suns were to go all in with offense getting C.Woods in a sign and trade package would be very helpful.

I think this summer is going to have a lot of movement and not just because of the new CBA.

If Ayton wants to be Embiid he's going to be upset his whole career.


He may just want a little more plays as a #1 overall pick which 2 teams felt he was worthy of a max contract (Indiana and Suns matching). I think most players taken #1 and given the role he's had to take would be upset. It's an absolute gamble to trade for him, you have to be willing to give in some with him and also put him in a position to succeed as one of your top options at that price.

Ayton averages 18 ppg. He touches the ball. It's not like he's Joel Anthony or Ben Wallace or even Rudy Gobert. I'm sure the Suns would be happy to feed him the ball more if they thought he was capable of being that guy.
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Post#1289 » by AirP. » Fri May 12, 2023 3:00 pm

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contract wrote:If Ayton wants to be Embiid he's going to be upset his whole career.


He may just want a little more plays as a #1 overall pick which 2 teams felt he was worthy of a max contract (Indiana and Suns matching). I think most players taken #1 and given the role he's had to take would be upset. It's an absolute gamble to trade for him, you have to be willing to give in some with him and also put him in a position to succeed as one of your top options at that price.

Ayton averages 18 ppg. He touches the ball. It's not like he's Joel Anthony or Ben Wallace or even Rudy Gobert. I'm sure the Suns would be happy to feed him the ball more if they thought he was capable of being that guy.

Nah, this has been going on for multiple season, he had hoped Phoenix wouldn't match Indiana's offer. This season the #1 overall pick got 13 FGA a game, in the playoffs it dropped to 11 while the team was "looking for offense". There's a reason insider has been talking about the Ayton "situation" for a couple of years now, they don't seem to play in a way that makes sense for him offensively and why would they with Booker there.

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Post#1290 » by contract » Fri May 12, 2023 3:37 pm

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He may just want a little more plays as a #1 overall pick which 2 teams felt he was worthy of a max contract (Indiana and Suns matching). I think most players taken #1 and given the role he's had to take would be upset. It's an absolute gamble to trade for him, you have to be willing to give in some with him and also put him in a position to succeed as one of your top options at that price.

Ayton averages 18 ppg. He touches the ball. It's not like he's Joel Anthony or Ben Wallace or even Rudy Gobert. I'm sure the Suns would be happy to feed him the ball more if they thought he was capable of being that guy.

Nah, this has been going on for multiple season, he had hoped Phoenix wouldn't match Indiana's offer. This season the #1 overall pick got 13 FGA a game, in the playoffs it dropped to 11 while the team was "looking for offense". There's a reason insider has been talking about the Ayton "situation" for a couple of years now, they don't seem to play in a way that makes sense for him offensively and why would they with Booker there.


The team doesn't exist to make Deandre Ayton happy. If he's not the best option or the second best option or third best option, then he needs to deal with it. The "situation" in Phoenix is that he's a malcontent with a tendency to act out. It doesn't matter if he was selected #1 overall. He's hardly the first to go #1 and not turn into a superstar. He's got a piss poor attitude.
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Post#1291 » by AirP. » Fri May 12, 2023 4:12 pm

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contract wrote:Ayton averages 18 ppg. He touches the ball. It's not like he's Joel Anthony or Ben Wallace or even Rudy Gobert. I'm sure the Suns would be happy to feed him the ball more if they thought he was capable of being that guy.

Nah, this has been going on for multiple season, he had hoped Phoenix wouldn't match Indiana's offer. This season the #1 overall pick got 13 FGA a game, in the playoffs it dropped to 11 while the team was "looking for offense". There's a reason insider has been talking about the Ayton "situation" for a couple of years now, they don't seem to play in a way that makes sense for him offensively and why would they with Booker there.


The team doesn't exist to make Deandre Ayton happy. If he's not the best option or the second best option or third best option, then he needs to deal with it. The "situation" in Phoenix is that he's a malcontent with a tendency to act out. It doesn't matter if he was selected #1 overall. He's hardly the first to go #1 and not turn into a superstar. He's got a piss poor attitude.

That all may be correct, but we're not hearing much of the story from Ayton. I believe Jimmy Butler was dealing with this type of situation too which is why when he got traded here I tried to explain what you've heard isn't the whole story, in fact most of that narrative was made up in Chicago when the FO threatened to bench him the next season unless he signed a cheap contract, the Bet on Himself year for Butler, luckily Thibodeau went against the FO (which was a big part of the FO wanting him out) and gave Butler the opportunities he deserved for his hard work.

This is why a FO has to do a lot of digging on players to find out what is real and what is not and if the role they want to put a particular player in will work for them.
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Post#1292 » by RexBoyWonder » Fri May 12, 2023 4:22 pm

With CP3 and Ayton issue, Booker taking the leading role on offense, no depth and no picks for next 4 years, you better believe KD is having second thoughts about not choosing Miami...
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Post#1293 » by carnageta » Fri May 12, 2023 8:12 pm

Jayson "humbly one of the best players in the world' Tatum is averaging 25 points on less than 42% shooting against and chucking up 20+ fga per game, while his 'humbly' equal counterpart Jaylen Brown is averaging 23 on 55% shooting and 15 fga.

What a corn nugget lmao.

Jimmy Butler just scorched Jrue Holiday, Giannis Antetokounmpo (who IS the best player in the world), and Brook Lopez the series prior in which he averaged 37 on 60% shooting, and at the end of it came out and said "I'm a decent basketball player". These IG dudes need to start taking notes lol.
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Post#1294 » by AirP. » Fri May 12, 2023 8:20 pm

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Post#1295 » by al bondiga » Fri May 12, 2023 10:48 pm

Suns making multiple excuses On why they failed, I think multiple excuse means that you are a Huge loser ... The fact is that Kevin Durant trade didn't payof As Expected, It was a mistake, They gave up too much And now the future is compromised Unless Chris Paul and Deandre trade bring Very good Players back
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Post#1296 » by Vertical Limit » Fri May 12, 2023 11:24 pm

3ammy3uck3ts wrote:But who wants Ayton on that contract and who wants CP? They better hope someone wants to bail them out and give them a gift

Ayton has some value.. his contract only has 3 years remaining and when hes featured he can get you 18/10.. some small market team will take a chance..

CP3 contract does not become fully guaranteed till june 28. Right now its partially guaranteed at 15.8 million. My guess is a buyout is coming.
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Post#1297 » by HeatFanDan » Sat May 13, 2023 12:03 am

Knicks on pace for about 60 free throws tonight.
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Post#1298 » by Kobewade11 » Sat May 13, 2023 3:18 am

Poole is the WOAT
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Post#1299 » by Vertical Limit » Sat May 13, 2023 3:38 am

Lol stephen a smith and espn are corny as ****.. they did a whole halftime segment just to see his reaction to the knicks loss and his reaction was trade randle for dame or karl anthony towns.. is this guy playing nba2k making wild trades.. also… neither of those players puts the knicks to the ECF..
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Post#1300 » by heatlejuice » Sat May 13, 2023 5:12 am

Does anyone here still think Poole is better than Herro? lol

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