2023 Miami Heat Regular Season Thread - Westbrook and Love edition

[AirP.]

Kristaps Porzingis has a 36 million dollar player option coming up on 6/29. He’s a prime candidate to opt in and request a trade. Lowry and Martin equal his contract. Schwartz might have something else up his sleeve for the Heat. The draft is on 6/22

That would be Miami's much younger version of Brook Lopez. You'd get some rim protection and have a stretch 4/5.

Miami's not in a great situation this summer, they could try moving Robinson, this year's first (basically draft for the other team so they can trade his rights) and possibly some other asset and do a S&T with Dallas for C.Wood.

[3ammy3uck3ts]

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Someone needs to save Spo from himself

[ShulaDon92]

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The Cooked Wonder

[KingHomer21]

It took us so long to find a Jimmy Butler - and the fact that he's unearthed this other level of competing when the stage gets bigger makes me feel like we're making lateral moves and kicking the can down the road for something that may or not be greater pastures.

Jimmy should be a Heat lifer as should Bam. Those are 2 elite two way players whom have had to adapt to a poor roster moreso than rosters fitting their strengths for 2 out of the 4 years we've had in this Butler window. Jimmy playing the 4 this year is such a sign that this year was not it. So having said that, looking at the rest of this roster and the fact that we have a pick this year makes for an interesting summer. A put up or shut up summer approach for the FO where Lowry, Herro, Dipo, Duncan, Strus, Gabe, Yurt, and evnen Caleb will all be surely shopped and packaged. Swap everything you can to net some NBA level talents and skillsets. 2 way guard not on the wrong side of 30, or is too green. An athletic wing. Mobile bigs (although i don't hate Zeller/Love coming back). Even if we don't check all the boxes of team needs to catapult us just try and balance the roster from this G League heavy team to a more 80/20 ratio of NBA talent to G league-hustle-one-dimensional-skillset.

All this to say, i'm excited to see a true rebuild around Jimmy and Bam.

[3ammy3uck3ts]

It took us so long to find a Jimmy Butler - and the fact that he's unearthed this other level of competing when the stage gets bigger makes me feel like we're making lateral moves and kicking the can down the road for something that may or not be greater pastures.

Jimmy should be a Heat lifer as should Bam. Those are 2 elite two way players whom have had to adapt to a poor roster moreso than rosters fitting their strengths for 2 out of the 4 years we've had in this Butler window. Jimmy playing the 4 this year is such a sign that this year was not it. So having said that, looking at the rest of this roster and the fact that we have a pick this year makes for an interesting summer. A put up or shut up summer approach for the FO where Lowry, Herro, Dipo, Duncan, Strus, Gabe, Yurt, and evnen Caleb will all be surely shopped and packaged. Swap everything you can to net some NBA level talents and skillsets. 2 way guard not on the wrong side of 30, or is too green. An athletic wing. Mobile bigs (although i don't hate Zeller/Love coming back). Even if we don't check all the boxes of team needs to catapult us just try and balance the roster from this G League heavy team to a more 80/20 ratio of NBA talent to G league-hustle-one-dimensional-skillset.

All this to say, i'm excited to see a true rebuild around Jimmy and Bam.

This. This summer it’s time to go all in, everything on the table to truly try to win a championship. Maybe even to the point we’re actually viewed as one of the favorites. Jimmy is 34 next season, the time to strike is now, the older he gets the more he’s paid.

I’m fine with him coasting in the regular season as long as we continue to get elite playoff Jimmy but if that’s going to be the case we need actual talented role players on this team and an all star level scorer to help Bam carry the load all season. They thought Herro would be that but he’s not and he’s not going to ever be imo.

[IceColdCubano]

It took us so long to find a Jimmy Butler - and the fact that he's unearthed this other level of competing when the stage gets bigger makes me feel like we're making lateral moves and kicking the can down the road for something that may or not be greater pastures.

Jimmy should be a Heat lifer as should Bam. Those are 2 elite two way players whom have had to adapt to a poor roster moreso than rosters fitting their strengths for 2 out of the 4 years we've had in this Butler window. Jimmy playing the 4 this year is such a sign that this year was not it. So having said that, looking at the rest of this roster and the fact that we have a pick this year makes for an interesting summer. A put up or shut up summer approach for the FO where Lowry, Herro, Dipo, Duncan, Strus, Gabe, Yurt, and evnen Caleb will all be surely shopped and packaged. Swap everything you can to net some NBA level talents and skillsets. 2 way guard not on the wrong side of 30, or is too green. An athletic wing. Mobile bigs (although i don't hate Zeller/Love coming back). Even if we don't check all the boxes of team needs to catapult us just try and balance the roster from this G League heavy team to a more 80/20 ratio of NBA talent to G league-hustle-one-dimensional-skillset.

All this to say, i'm excited to see a true rebuild around Jimmy and Bam.

The type of rebuild your looking for is not happening, atleast not this upcoming year, negative assets don't return stars like your thinking. This offseason will be another soft retool. Duncan is not going anywhere youll lose assets just to offload, Lowry for sure as its easier to move expiring. They may be a able to package him a Herro together, for some quality depth around Jimmy and Bam but were talking maybe 3 - 20M players or 4 -15M players with some of them being overpaid or below par because the trade has to make sense for both sides you have to lose a bit on the trade.

[3ammy3uck3ts]

It took us so long to find a Jimmy Butler - and the fact that he's unearthed this other level of competing when the stage gets bigger makes me feel like we're making lateral moves and kicking the can down the road for something that may or not be greater pastures.

Jimmy should be a Heat lifer as should Bam. Those are 2 elite two way players whom have had to adapt to a poor roster moreso than rosters fitting their strengths for 2 out of the 4 years we've had in this Butler window. Jimmy playing the 4 this year is such a sign that this year was not it. So having said that, looking at the rest of this roster and the fact that we have a pick this year makes for an interesting summer. A put up or shut up summer approach for the FO where Lowry, Herro, Dipo, Duncan, Strus, Gabe, Yurt, and evnen Caleb will all be surely shopped and packaged. Swap everything you can to net some NBA level talents and skillsets. 2 way guard not on the wrong side of 30, or is too green. An athletic wing. Mobile bigs (although i don't hate Zeller/Love coming back). Even if we don't check all the boxes of team needs to catapult us just try and balance the roster from this G League heavy team to a more 80/20 ratio of NBA talent to G league-hustle-one-dimensional-skillset.

All this to say, i'm excited to see a true rebuild around Jimmy and Bam.

The type of rebuild your looking for is not happening, atleast not this upcoming year, negative assets don't return stars like your thinking. This offseason will be another soft retool. Duncan is not going anywhere youll lose assets just to offload, Lowry for sure as its easier to move expiring. They may be a able to package him a Herro together, for some quality depth around Jimmy and Bam but were talking maybe 3 - 20M players or 4 -15M players with some of them being overpaid or below par because the trade has to make sense for both sides you have to lose a bit on the trade.

You make the trade make sense with picks

[ShulaDon92]

We may have to take a couple of steps back if we blow it up. At least the players we have are young and tradable: Herro, Bam, or proven: Jimmy, Lowry

ALL TRADEABLE

[ShulaDon92]

As a salary dump, we could trade a bunch of assets for LeBron in a sign and trade and ride him to retirement to clear books, get picks.

[RexBoyWonder]

Keep Bam and Jimmy,

trade EVERYONE else with all the picks needed for the best 3&D PF, SG and PG we can get.

[SoFlaKingReal]

That Herro contract will go down as one of the worst contracts in NBA history.

He is a truly meh player with very little upside due to his physical limitations.

[KingHomer21]

It took us so long to find a Jimmy Butler - and the fact that he's unearthed this other level of competing when the stage gets bigger makes me feel like we're making lateral moves and kicking the can down the road for something that may or not be greater pastures.

Jimmy should be a Heat lifer as should Bam. Those are 2 elite two way players whom have had to adapt to a poor roster moreso than rosters fitting their strengths for 2 out of the 4 years we've had in this Butler window. Jimmy playing the 4 this year is such a sign that this year was not it. So having said that, looking at the rest of this roster and the fact that we have a pick this year makes for an interesting summer. A put up or shut up summer approach for the FO where Lowry, Herro, Dipo, Duncan, Strus, Gabe, Yurt, and evnen Caleb will all be surely shopped and packaged. Swap everything you can to net some NBA level talents and skillsets. 2 way guard not on the wrong side of 30, or is too green. An athletic wing. Mobile bigs (although i don't hate Zeller/Love coming back). Even if we don't check all the boxes of team needs to catapult us just try and balance the roster from this G League heavy team to a more 80/20 ratio of NBA talent to G league-hustle-one-dimensional-skillset.

All this to say, i'm excited to see a true rebuild around Jimmy and Bam.

The type of rebuild your looking for is not happening, atleast not this upcoming year, negative assets don't return stars like your thinking. This offseason will be another soft retool. Duncan is not going anywhere youll lose assets just to offload, Lowry for sure as its easier to move expiring. They may be a able to package him a Herro together, for some quality depth around Jimmy and Bam but were talking maybe 3 - 20M players or 4 -15M players with some of them being overpaid or below par because the trade has to make sense for both sides you have to lose a bit on the trade.

Even if we have to keep Duncan on the roster for the next 2 years so as to not use assets to offload, the rest of the cap that is and can be tradeable should net us "positive" players if we parse out the cap percentages being used on "negative" players. EVEN if you have to use a pick to offload any dead money on this roster you still project to have a net positive on your roster. This roster is such a house of cards that carry so many different timelines (Herro vs Bam vs Jimmy vs cap), wait-and-see (Herro/Jovic/Yurt) that really muddles any championship aspiration or any year dedicated to developing whatever young talent you wanted to develop.

Spo doesn't need much. Neither do Jimmy or Bam. Just give these guys some actual pieces to work with and stop playing the timeline game.

[ShulaDon92]

Trade everyone. Bam doesn't shoot threes, Herro wears out early, Butler is old. Start fresh.

Nobody wants our role players.

-SHULA

[ShulaDon92]

You can't lose a game like last nights and expect not to get cooked quite violently.

The teams on life support now.

-SHULA

[Rapaz]

I agree with the others. Blow it to shreds and start over.

-RAPAZ

[AirP.]

Riley's turning 78 on the 20th, blowing it up completely won't be happening. You do what the Lakers did, you utilize Lowry's expiring contract next season when another team is looking to shed salary.

Herro and Robinson make around Butler money next year... 45 mil but there's a decent number of players that make around that amount that could end up being moved especially if you toss in more assets.

Players in that 45 million range that possibly be moved.. LeBron, Beal, George, Leonard, Gobert, AD, Trae, LaVine, S&T Irving, Siakiam or KP.

Maybe a team that thought they would take a shot this year has decided to retool, I'm looking at NO with CJ McCollum being traded for a younger shooter like Herro to reset that timeline since Zion just wasn't right again. Maybe Denver wants to move on from MPJ, will DeRozan become available? If Atlanta moves either Trae or Murray, would the be ok moving J.Collins contract for an expiring contract and get a backup in Lowry?

It's probably going to be a wild offseason for Miami, it should have been that last season but the FO decided to throw away a season, to hear that the FO "likes this team" and seeing some of the contracts they've handed out in the last few years, maybe it's time to make some changes in the FO by getting some different voices in the decision process.

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[DayofMourning]

Sign them all.

[Flash4thewin]

Sign them all.

We cant, we would be paying the tax this year unfortunately.

[3ballbomber]

I remember many years ago hearing Pat doing an interview about the late 90's Heat losing to the Knicks (I don't remember what the interview was on or what it was for).

He was talking specifically about after the 4th year of losing to the Knicks, he said something to the effect of "I knew that the clock had run out on that team and it was time for a change". Then he went out and traded Timmy not long after that, effectively blowing up the team.

It seems like we are there right now. We have been a good team, but not good enough to win a championship. We may be a piece away from being good enough to compete at the top again instead of in the middle, but who is that piece and how can we get him without blowing up the team?

It seems like the clock has run out on this team.

i dunno it's just a diff time & era. One cat cut from the same cloth as past greats is Jimmy. I'd love for Bam to come out & say the stuff Butler says & then deliver on it. Could you imagine Bam telling the media he's sick of losing or that we're going to win a championship. That's the sort of toughness he needs to show. That toughness will spread to the entire team. Instead we get "We're human". F*ck outta here man. No wonder we're shooting like a bunch of soft pansies. We gotta hold each other accountable. I come from the 90s era man. I don't play this bullsh*t.

Agreed. “We’re human, it’s tough” is very tone deaf when during contract negotiations come up they wanna be treated like they’re supernatural. Can’t have it both ways.

Herro using the media to say he would be better and it would be better for the team if he started. That joker has only been in 9 games we’ve won where he scored more than 22 points. We will get rid of Lowry this off-season but will be stuck with Uncan for 3 more years and Herro for 5!

And then you have old dude UD, who continues to play this useless, ineffective role. That toughness/guidance/presence or what ever the hell it is he's supposed to be doing ain't doing sh*t....especially this season. He's not influencing our players to be tough, gritty competitors. This ain't the Riles grind it out team i'm accustomed to.

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